The Koreans are faking memorabilia, and doing it well!

Grid · 06-04-2020, 02:52 PM

Nothing is safe. We knew there have been a hoard of very good fake sports cards that have been coming out of Korea.

They are now producing flawless Tristar and PSA holograms too.

Once they are set up, they just scroll through the legit websites, and copy the correct COA numbers to then use on the fake certs, stickers and memorabilia.

They only focus on the biggest stars, that turn the most money. Think Tom Brady, Lebron James and Kobe Bryant.

They have an endless supply as well. Always auctions that end in a few days, so they can get them sold and off the radar fast. There are dozens of accounts out there. I assume all by the same group, attempting to cover their tracks.

This is just a general warning to all. The Korea location is a red flag. But, I have seen some of these fakes pop up for sale with Probstein and the like as well. I assume people are moving them there, once they realize they have been had.

These are just a few of the sellers

https://www.ebay.com/sch/cho-pipfe5c...p2046732.m1684

https://www.ebay.com/sch/cho-howo/m....p2046732.m1684

https://www.ebay.com/sch/chagkghx7tt...p2046732.m1684

Another way to spot these, they almost always make a point of showing you the COA numbers are legit, with a screen grab. They do this in most of their accounts.

YourAvgSutton · 06-04-2020, 02:58 PM

Wow... that hurts to read. Thank you for sharing.

ldsports · 06-04-2020, 03:07 PM

the PSA/DNA fakes are very scary

the mesiah · 06-04-2020, 03:20 PM

Those are terrible fakes , nothing like the real autos , if people buying these fakes then it’s on them.People need to do their research ,

Grid · 06-04-2020, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by the mesiah

Those are terrible fakes , nothing like the real autos , if people buying these fakes then it’s on them.People need to do their research ,

Very true! The autos are not spot on, but the COA's are. Just like people buying graded cards, they are buying numbers on a slab.

Most people might think the autos look a little off, but then see the Tristar or PSA hologram, and proof the serial numbers are in the database, and buy based off that!

Fake autos have been around since people started collecting them. But nearly perfect fake COA's, ones that the industry thought could not be replicated, is still pretty new.

Back in the 90's, everyone made copies of Scoreboard COA's and used them to sell forgeries. That's why things such as an online database, and tamper proof holos became the standard.

Now that those are knocked off, where is our protection?

Craigger · 06-04-2020, 08:24 PM

The sigs are some of the worst I’ve ever seen. I just can’t figure out why the psa dna registry correlates the #s they put on items. Are they hacking or do they have an inside help?

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altaeria · 06-04-2020, 08:43 PM

If you can't trust sellers from Korea, who can you trust ??

Siberian13 · 06-04-2020, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by altaeria

If you can't trust sellers from Korea, who can you trust ??

Mormons maybe? Canadians seem nice.

Archangel1775 · 06-04-2020, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Craigger

The sigs are some of the worst I’ve ever seen. I just can’t figure out why the psa dna registry correlates the #s they put on items. Are they hacking or do they have an inside help?

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The OP pointed that out.
The pull the numbers off the legitimate item when they are posted online. When there was a rush of fake PSA slabs and cards, people started blurring their cert numbers out.

pudge27t · 06-04-2020, 09:36 PM

Wow!
Look even closer, those lots are shilled!
So sad.

ninjacookies · 06-04-2020, 10:17 PM

I'm curious if these could actually be chinese fakes that have been routed over to traditionally more trusted areas in asia like Korea to help not raise suspicions. It's a pretty common practice with other counterfeit stuff.

If Koreans are the ones actually producing, then China has competition. Nobody ever wants a monopoly like Panini...it's unhealthy for everyone...r-r-right guys?

JWBlue · 06-05-2020, 12:51 AM

Greaaaaaaaaat.

rman112 · 06-05-2020, 01:22 AM

I read the title as 'The Karens are faking memorabilia"

Too late, and too much internet.

altaeria · 06-05-2020, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

Mormons maybe? Canadians seem nice.

Koreans fake the collectibles...
but Canadians are notorious for doing their shill bidding.

Conversely, the Mormons are those buyers who claim
"Item Not As Described" to get a full refund from you,
and then send you back a Korean fake.

It's a madhouse. A Madhouse.

The Chad · 06-05-2020, 07:01 AM

I agree people need to do research, but there are also a lot of people that buy these items as gifts, see COA and dont think much about it. I have a lot of friends that arent as much in the know as me on memorabilia and I had to beg one of them not to buy a GAI Dan Marino jersey that was clearly not legit, their argument always went back to "yeah but it has a COA".

Treadstone · 06-05-2020, 07:29 AM

Why would anyone buy American sports memorabilia from Korea? That's like buying a Yugo from Mercedes...

AZOriole · 06-05-2020, 10:05 AM

The low feedback rating(s) would be a red flag for me, personally. And wow, there are a ton of bids on some of those items! Shilling?

blevins26 · 06-05-2020, 10:26 AM

This is exactly why we need blockchain to keep track of card data.

Grid · 06-05-2020, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Treadstone

Why would anyone buy American sports memorabilia from Korea? That's like buying a Yugo from Mercedes...

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZOriole

The low feedback rating(s) would be a red flag for me, personally. And wow, there are a ton of bids on some of those items! Shilling?

I'm just pointing out the obvious with my links. Really, the whole point of my post, was to show that PSA & Tristar (and others) are having their certs and holograms faked.

Nothing is safe! I'm sure there are US sellers buying these things as well, and flipping them as legit.

For all of eBays warts, I do see a lot of these auctions getting pulling by people reporting them. But I also see, what certainly looks like, the same items later popping up with the likes of Probstein.

Like him or not, if you see a Kobe jersey, with a legit looking cert, most people wont think twice. Even if the auto looks a little off. Thats the bigger danger.

The biggest threat, is how much more fakes can they pump out with real looking COAs. And what does that do to the value of our legit stuff?

DaBears 1985 · 06-05-2020, 12:42 PM

North Korea or South Korea?

Spicoli · 06-05-2020, 01:43 PM

Knockoffs and falsifying legitimate sources is a way of life on that continent. Check out our news and entertainment. If it isn't gamed by big pharma, it is China. Unfortunately, we pussyfoot around with penalties, and leave the door wide open---so they take advantage.

Always be on guard with collectibles and use your gut. It it is too good to be true, you know the rest. It is a shame this blight exists on the industry. Without this stigma, the industry would be much larger imo.

Grid · 06-06-2020, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Knockoffs and falsifying legitimate sources is a way of life on that continent. Check out our news and entertainment. If it isn't gamed by big pharma, it is China. Unfortunately, we pussyfoot around with penalties, and leave the door wide open---so they take advantage.

Always be on guard with collectibles and use your gut. It it is too good to be true, you know the rest. It is a shame this blight exists on the industry. Without this stigma, the industry would be much larger imo.

#Truth

RedMike · 06-06-2020, 01:44 PM

I see the jerseys, but you said they fake the cards? do you have an example of that?

LC2nine10 · 06-06-2020, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by altaeria

If you can't trust sellers from Korea, who can you trust ??

Not whites

cking · 06-06-2020, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LC2nine10

Not whites

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06-04-2020, 02:52 PM	#1
Grid Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 13,125 Gridiron-Gladiators	The Koreans are faking memorabilia, and doing it well! Nothing is safe. We knew there have been a hoard of very good fake sports cards that have been coming out of Korea. They are now producing flawless Tristar and PSA holograms too. Once they are set up, they just scroll through the legit websites, and copy the correct COA numbers to then use on the fake certs, stickers and memorabilia. They only focus on the biggest stars, that turn the most money. Think Tom Brady, Lebron James and Kobe Bryant. They have an endless supply as well. Always auctions that end in a few days, so they can get them sold and off the radar fast. There are dozens of accounts out there. I assume all by the same group, attempting to cover their tracks. This is just a general warning to all. The Korea location is a red flag. But, I have seen some of these fakes pop up for sale with Probstein and the like as well. I assume people are moving them there, once they realize they have been had. These are just a few of the sellers https://www.ebay.com/sch/cho-pipfe5c...p2046732.m1684 https://www.ebay.com/sch/cho-howo/m....p2046732.m1684 https://www.ebay.com/sch/chagkghx7tt...p2046732.m1684 Another way to spot these, they almost always make a point of showing you the COA numbers are legit, with a screen grab. They do this in most of their accounts.

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ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,044	I'm curious if these could actually be chinese fakes that have been routed over to traditionally more trusted areas in asia like Korea to help not raise suspicions. It's a pretty common practice with other counterfeit stuff. If Koreans are the ones actually producing, then China has competition. Nobody ever wants a monopoly like Panini...it's unhealthy for everyone...r-r-right guys? __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.

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rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	I read the title as 'The Karens are faking memorabilia" Too late, and too much internet.

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The Chad Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 2,659	I agree people need to do research, but there are also a lot of people that buy these items as gifts, see COA and dont think much about it. I have a lot of friends that arent as much in the know as me on memorabilia and I had to beg one of them not to buy a GAI Dan Marino jersey that was clearly not legit, their argument always went back to "yeah but it has a COA". __________________ Looking for: Rare Ernie Banks Allen & Ginter Cards 2014 Topps High Tek Ernie Banks Blue Dots Diffractor #/5 Follow me on Instagram: ispendtoomuchoncards

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AZOriole Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Groveland, FL Posts: 63 jwinegard	The low feedback rating(s) would be a red flag for me, personally. And wow, there are a ton of bids on some of those items! Shilling?

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DaBears 1985 Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,260 DaBears1985	North Korea or South Korea?

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Spicoli Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Earth Posts: 293	Knockoffs and falsifying legitimate sources is a way of life on that continent. Check out our news and entertainment. If it isn't gamed by big pharma, it is China. Unfortunately, we pussyfoot around with penalties, and leave the door wide open---so they take advantage. Always be on guard with collectibles and use your gut. It it is too good to be true, you know the rest. It is a shame this blight exists on the industry. Without this stigma, the industry would be much larger imo.

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RedMike Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: I am mostly active on Instagram - Msg me there. Posts: 802 redmikec	I see the jerseys, but you said they fake the cards? do you have an example of that?