Deandre Ayton Thoughts?

Ra3xWraith · 01-29-2020, 09:56 AM

My apologies in advance if there is a Deandre Ayton thread from last year... I tried finding one using the search function, but came up empty.

From watching his performance last night, he has a decent midrange shot as he was 13-15 on the night and they weren't all dunks. DA had a great game last night against one of the top teams in the West, at their place. I know "Big Men" don't get a lot of love in the Hobby from collectors... but what are some honest thoughts about him?

DajuanWagner · 01-29-2020, 09:57 AM

He is either the next Anthony Davis or the next Andre Drummond...…...

Ra3xWraith · 01-29-2020, 10:01 AM

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He is either the next Anthony Davis or the next Andre Drummond...…...

I think his game could develop a lot more offensively versus Drummond as he's only 21, but with Booker on the team... that may hamper his production. Not saying that Booker taking a majority of the shots isn't warranted, as he is a star... I'm just saying that seeing him against WCS and KP and pretty much scoring at will against some decent Bigs, why don't they feed him more instead of always settling for outside or low-percentage shots?

Lame0626 · 01-29-2020, 10:09 AM

So stats wise imo 20+ and 10 most of his career. Impact wise on a team wining I am not sure. I havent watched enough suns games this year, but I have been hear rumblings that his defense is coming along.

manningmurphyfa · 01-29-2020, 10:22 AM

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He is either the next Anthony Davis or the next Andre Drummond...…...

Pretty spot on. He’ll need to add an outside game to become elite. Similar to what KAT and Embiid have done as well.

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RandyC · 01-29-2020, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ra3xWraith

My apologies in advance if there is a Deandre Ayton thread from last year... I tried finding one using the search function, but came up empty.

From watching his performance last night, he has a decent midrange shot as he was 13-15 on the night and they weren't all dunks. DA had a great game last night against one of the top teams in the West, at their place. I know "Big Men" don't get a lot of love in the Hobby from collectors... but what are some honest thoughts about him?

Tough to say, but he is starting to win me over.

smalltown · 01-29-2020, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ra3xWraith

I know "Big Men" don't get a lot of love in the Hobby from collectors... but what are some honest thoughts about him?

Are you asking Hobby wise? Or Basketball wise?

Hobby wise you kinda answered your own question. No one really cares. Even if he becomes an all-star ala Embiid you're not looking at anything shocking in terms of value.

Basketball wise? I'd love to have his skill set on my team. He has all star potential.

Ra3xWraith · 01-29-2020, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by smalltown

Are you asking Hobby wise? Or Basketball wise?

Hobby wise you kinda answered your own question. No one really cares. Even if he becomes an all-star ala Embiid you're not looking at anything shocking in terms of value.

Basketball wise? I'd love to have his skill set on my team. He has all star potential.

It was kind of for both but geared more toward Hobby. I know that for whatever reason... collectors don't look for for the bigs I guess because they aren't shooting 3s? When I was growing up, MJ was obviously in my PC... but I collected David Robinson as my PC, and Shaq on the side as well. I never looked at positions, just on skillset and such.

I'm just now getting back into collecting again... why is it that there is such a HUGE disparity on the bigs?

smalltown · 01-29-2020, 11:03 AM

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why is it that there is such a HUGE disparity on the bigs?

There's lots of reasons people bring up. Personally for me it comes down to two things.

"Smaller" guys are more relatable. People can see more of themselves in them (however ridiculous that reality is).

Big guys just can't do it with out a guard to facilitate their games. In many cases when a big finally wins it all they're part of a 1A 1B team where as in the NBA we've had many championships where the Guard/SF is the undisputed 1. There are exceptions. But they're very few.

indyguy · 01-29-2020, 11:53 AM

He's my favorite player in the league. I'm actually surprised to see where his silver prizm prices are right now, especially with the "big men get no love" thing.

You could get a PSA 10 Prizm Silver for $99 or less before the start of the season. Now, they are hitting in the $150-$170 range. So, I think people are taking notice a bit, but not quite at the rate of the guards.

manningmurphyfa · 01-29-2020, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by indyguy

He's my favorite player in the league. I'm actually surprised to see where his silver prizm prices are right now, especially with the "big men get no love" thing.

You could get a PSA 10 Prizm Silver for $99 or less before the start of the season. Now, they are hitting in the $150-$170 range. So, I think people are taking notice a bit, but not quite at the rate of the guards.

His prices certainly lag behind other young players that put up lesser stats. I picked one up for under $110 right when he came back from suspension.

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CoolG · 01-29-2020, 12:35 PM

Was SOFT at U of A....... and is still SOFT with Suns. Doesn't have the motor long term to be great.
Basketball wise this is ^^^^
hobby i think people don't care one way or another.
IMO

lyyca · 01-29-2020, 12:45 PM

Reminds me a little like Olajuwon.

RAV2773 · 01-29-2020, 12:54 PM

His prices were pretty good last year and then he got suspended and his prices dipped. Now that he's back and playing well his prices are definitely moving up. If you got in cheap, you can absolutely make money on the flip, but people are starting to notice that even though he's a "big" he's still only 21 and averaging 18 and 12 so far and seemingly getting better as each game passes. I personally think that there's still plenty of room to make money on his mid-high end stuff right now, when you compare the prices of the top guys from recent years.

brothertona · 01-29-2020, 01:08 PM

I think he's what you would hope Zion turns into, a high-quality double double machine.

Ra3xWraith · 01-29-2020, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolG

Was SOFT at U of A....... and is still SOFT with Suns. Doesn't have the motor long term to be great.
Basketball wise this is ^^^^
hobby i think people don't care one way or another.
IMO

I don't see it that way... did you see how he defended LeBron and Giannis at the end of last season? They beat the Bucks in both meetings last year and he had the most possessions guarding them. I know that last year, he was having to learn while you see Luka and Trae take the league by storm... but learning is also a good thing, as long as we don't see regression. He has steadily improved this season when he's been able to be on the court for a majority of the game and been given the rock. I know he had that suspension issue, but hopefully, that's behind him, too. I just see a lot of potential and as long as his head is right, he could be in the top 3 of big men behind AD and KAT, but also challenging their thrones.

Joered78 · 01-29-2020, 02:27 PM

I've been wondering this myself. I think there is a lot of upside with him basketball-wise. I'm not sure if that will translate into hobby success but I think he's going to be really good. I'm all on-board the Luka/Zion train but I think Deandre will be good as well.

Spacemanspif · 01-29-2020, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolG

Was SOFT at U of A....... and is still SOFT with Suns. Doesn't have the motor long term to be great.
Basketball wise this is ^^^^
hobby i think people don't care one way or another.
IMO

I didn’t watch him in college, and don’t really care about him now. One stat though that gets brought up is his FTA. He’s averaging less than 3 attempts per game, which is horrendous for a big. If all he does is shoot midrange jumpers, he can maybe be the next Aldridge, which isn’t exactly a great thing for hobby

tennelson55 · 01-29-2020, 03:00 PM

Reminds me of a larger STAT. Stat was a beast but injuries killed his career off. Ayton is huge and has way more size than Stat ever did; however I think Ayton attacks the rim fairly hard and dunks with less ferosity than Stat, but close to it.

Really good upside on Ayton imo

gobullz1 · 01-29-2020, 03:03 PM

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I didn’t watch him in college, and don’t really care about him now. One stat though that gets brought up is his FTA. He’s averaging less than 3 attempts per game, which is horrendous for a big. If all he does is shoot midrange jumpers, he can maybe be the next Aldridge, which isn’t exactly a great thing for hobby

Yeah you should probably watch a game he is unstoppable in the paint and can make you respect him from past free throw line

AD didn’t start shooting threes until his third season

Ayton had video from this summer cashing them he can do it

yaoming · 01-29-2020, 04:58 PM

I wanna say his “floor” is Aldridge
“Ceiling “ is KAT?

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JustinVerlander07 · 01-29-2020, 05:01 PM

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Yeah you should probably watch a game he is unstoppable in the paint and can make you respect him from past free throw line

AD didn’t start shooting threes until his third season

Ayton had video from this summer cashing them he can do it

From someone who is holding a lot of Ayton and no Davis cards. Davis was FAR more advanced defensively at this point. Ayton is a bum on defense. He needs to very much advance his offensive game if he's going to be a bum on defense for his whole career.

gobullz1 · 01-29-2020, 05:10 PM

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From someone who is holding a lot of Ayton and no Davis cards. Davis was FAR more advanced defensively at this point. Ayton is a bum on defense. He needs to very much advance his offensive game if he's going to be a bum on defense for his whole career.

Hmmm not sure you watch him either try to get a league pass or stream

A block and a half a game is a bum on defense ?

Or how about this stat

https://twitter.com/XinNBA/status/1222375290690654208

JustinVerlander07 · 01-29-2020, 05:13 PM

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Hmmm not sure you watch him either try to get a league pass or stream

A block and a half a game is a bum on defense ?

Or how about this stat

https://twitter.com/XinNBA/status/1222375290690654208

I watch, bum on defense. That stat is such a tiny sample size, and is not necessarily a reflection of him as a defender.

Andre Drummond has blocked a million shots in his career and had plenty of numbers to make it look like he's a good defender, also another guy who is a bum on defense.

gobullz1 · 01-29-2020, 05:13 PM

So we going to act like Davis in his second year 20 and 10

Is that much better than Aytons 18 and 12 on less shots with a higher fg and free throw pct

And he is just finding his groove now as he’s missed 30 games

It’s not as big of a gap as you think my friend

01-29-2020, 09:56 AM	#1
Ra3xWraith Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 47	Deandre Ayton Thoughts? My apologies in advance if there is a Deandre Ayton thread from last year... I tried finding one using the search function, but came up empty. From watching his performance last night, he has a decent midrange shot as he was 13-15 on the night and they weren't all dunks. DA had a great game last night against one of the top teams in the West, at their place. I know "Big Men" don't get a lot of love in the Hobby from collectors... but what are some honest thoughts about him? __________________ PC: Damian Lillard, Deandre Ayton, Giannis, & anything Manchester City.

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CoolG Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 2,033	Was SOFT at U of A....... and is still SOFT with Suns. Doesn't have the motor long term to be great. Basketball wise this is ^^^^ hobby i think people don't care one way or another. IMO Last edited by CoolG; 01-12-2021 at 01:24 PM.

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lyyca Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,146	Reminds me a little like Olajuwon. __________________ "I always told myself my progression is gonna be become a rotation player, become a starting point guard and then win an NBA championship. And people are definitely going to laugh when they hear that. They're not going to be laughing if it actually happens." - Jeremy Lin, 2011

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tennelson55 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 5,438 tennelson55	Reminds me of a larger STAT. Stat was a beast but injuries killed his career off. Ayton is huge and has way more size than Stat ever did; however I think Ayton attacks the rim fairly hard and dunks with less ferosity than Stat, but close to it. Really good upside on Ayton imo __________________ looking for these basketball sets! 99-00 topps east/west, 04-05 ud black diamond gemography autos, 08-09 topps chrome orange refractors, 09-10 certified, 10-11 donruss cracked ice, 11-12 limited xrc non autos, 12-13 prizm, 12-13 brilliance spellbound letters

01-29-2020, 09:57 AM	#2
DajuanWagner Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 7,425	He is either the next Anthony Davis or the next Andre Drummond...…...

01-29-2020, 10:09 AM	#4
Lame0626 Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 299	So stats wise imo 20+ and 10 most of his career. Impact wise on a team wining I am not sure. I havent watched enough suns games this year, but I have been hear rumblings that his defense is coming along.

01-29-2020, 11:53 AM	#10
indyguy Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8,512 arndru indyguyat	He's my favorite player in the league. I'm actually surprised to see where his silver prizm prices are right now, especially with the "big men get no love" thing. You could get a PSA 10 Prizm Silver for $99 or less before the start of the season. Now, they are hitting in the $150-$170 range. So, I think people are taking notice a bit, but not quite at the rate of the guards.

01-29-2020, 12:54 PM	#14
RAV2773 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 4,837 baseballking973	His prices were pretty good last year and then he got suspended and his prices dipped. Now that he's back and playing well his prices are definitely moving up. If you got in cheap, you can absolutely make money on the flip, but people are starting to notice that even though he's a "big" he's still only 21 and averaging 18 and 12 so far and seemingly getting better as each game passes. I personally think that there's still plenty of room to make money on his mid-high end stuff right now, when you compare the prices of the top guys from recent years.

01-29-2020, 01:08 PM	#15
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,940 brothertona1	I think he's what you would hope Zion turns into, a high-quality double double machine.

01-29-2020, 02:27 PM	#17
Joered78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 98	I've been wondering this myself. I think there is a lot of upside with him basketball-wise. I'm not sure if that will translate into hobby success but I think he's going to be really good. I'm all on-board the Luka/Zion train but I think Deandre will be good as well.

01-29-2020, 04:58 PM	#21
yaoming Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,824	I wanna say his “floor” is Aldridge “Ceiling “ is KAT? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01-29-2020, 05:13 PM	#25
gobullz1 Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 3,079 gostevenjackson!	So we going to act like Davis in his second year 20 and 10 Is that much better than Aytons 18 and 12 on less shots with a higher fg and free throw pct And he is just finding his groove now as he’s missed 30 games It’s not as big of a gap as you think my friend