Prospects called up left and right

[AnthonyCorona]

There are too many to list but Vlad, Tatis jr, Riley had a bomb in his debut last night. Brendan finally being called up. Hiura had a nice debut. Is this new or is it just because we’re in it now? I love seeing teams giving their young talent a chance instead of keeping them down for a long time.

I really like watching these guys make their debut. You know they’ve been dreaming about that moment for such a long time and to see it happen is so cool.

I do believe this strategy also has to do with payroll and paying young players nothing but I also hope, like Acuna, they can get big money sooner for financial security.

Thoughts?


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[Patsfan]

I like it and agree with you about giving them a chance and not keepoing them down for a long time. In my opinion if your in the minors for more than maybe 3-4 years you probably arent going to make it.

[fenwaykid]

GMs don't see a difference in performance between young prospects and aging vets. An aging Vet is making significant $ while a prospect makes league minimum so financially its a no brainer.

[WalterAZ31]

I was just talking about this with friend yesterday. seems there's been more callups and use of prospects the last 2 seasons combined than I can ever remember

its great but with the international pool growing more and more along with thisz I fear expansion is right around the corner which would be bad imo

we need more good teams not more teams with better young players

but it has been crazy so far

Eloy Jimenez
Pete Alonso
Fernando Tatis Jr
Chris Paddack
Griffin Canning
Jon Duplantier
Vladimir Guerrero Jr
Carter Kieboom
Nick Senzel
Nate Lowe
Corbin Martin
Austin Riley

and it's barely middle of May

let's not forget Brendan Rodgers and Yordan Alvarez only a matter of time

[Triple B]

It's free money. Vlad jerseys are selling like no one's business here in Toronto and across Canada, I would imagine. Not sure about now, but for a bit, there was a waiting list for jerseys.

My guess is the same thing is happening with other teams. You call up your top prospect and there's a spike at the register, be it for tickets or merchandise or interest in general.

[StraWMyerS]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

I was just talking about this with friend yesterday. seems there's been more callups and use of prospects the last 2 seasons combined than I can ever remember

its great but with the international pool growing more and more along with thisz I fear expansion is right around the corner which would be bad imo

we need more good teams not more teams with better young players

but it has been crazy so far

Eloy Jimenez
Pete Alonso
Fernando Tatis Jr
Chris Paddack
Griffin Canning
Jon Duplantier
Vladimir Guerrero Jr
Carter Kieboom
Nick Senzel
Nate Lowe
Corbin Martin
Austin Riley

and it's barely middle of May

let's not forget Brendan Rodgers and Yordan Alvarez only a matter of time

One problem with the idea of expansion is that hitting talent has far outpaced pitching talent, otherwise it would be great. Or maybe it still is... if the league wants slugfests, but it certainly wouldn't speed up the game any.

[MSU Bulldogs]

Nate Lowe was sent back down to AAA a week after being called up.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by fenwaykid

GMs don't see a difference in performance between young prospects and aging vets. An aging Vet is making significant $ while a prospect makes league minimum so financially its a no brainer.

This is a big part of it, but I’m shocked that so many are getting called up just a few weeks before the super two deadline.

On the other hand, it’s possible that the GM’s know all the old rules are about to be changed anyway during union negotiations.

[ClevelandIC]

This is direct correlation to the free agent market. The journeyman players that are 30+ don't have a spot in the game anymore. Teams would rather fill those holes with talent or at the very least perceived talent.

Stop spending millions on players who have a track record of mediocrity. I think the trend will be cyclical. For how long, I don't know. If prospects come up too early and struggle we'll see more gap fillers like Brad Miller spend another season or three in the bigs instead of teams taking the chance on young players.

[jrg1128]

2019 Update anyone?


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[swabie2424]

Injuries also are playing a factor. For example the Yankees have called up every single living human they have this year just due to numbers. If Florial didn’t hurt his wrist he almost certainly would have a pile of Major League at bats right now.

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by jrg1128

2019 Update anyone?


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Forget update... 2019 HHN!!!

[mlbfan10]

Prospects baby!

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[Ray27Ray52]

Judging by the posts in this thread so far it would appear that the OP and I weren't wrong in our perception from another thread.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

It's better for the game. It's not just baseball it's all sports. There's just better athleticism and kids have better quick twitch skills than ever before. I see it every day playing call of duty.

Also younger players are hungrier compared to older vets who have made their coin and are just going through the motions towards the end of their career.

[pskell02]

I think a lot of teams are expecting the way the rookie contracts to work a lot different with the next CBA. The Pirates are an example of this. They've called up a lot of guys that normally would still be in AAA, despite all of the injuries. Cole Tucker being the big example. He very little time in AAA and was called up a few weeks back. It's both good and bad as guys like Tucker needed more time. But some of the others are hitting the ground running. I like it.

[nyjetsmets1]

Rodgers is coming up tomorrow.

I think it's just that these young guys are ready and some teams need to fill spots due to injury.

[13goyankees13]

How many of those guys will either not make it to their last year of arbitration or won't get big arbitration contracts? I would think quite a few. There are so many prospects but so few roster spots. I'd rather call up guys when they're ready, get the benefits of a popular young player, and just take the risk that they become a star and you'll need to pay big for the extra year of arbitration. Better than leaving them in the minors for too long and risking them not panning out and never getting to use them.

[banosd]

A lot of these rookies come up and hit .150 and strike out half the time , then go back and hit .300 in AAA immediately like Daniel Palka and Gurriel, Jr..

There is still comfort in having veteran talent, even Kendrys Morales got picked up. Steve Pearce helped the Red Sox win the World Series last year. Utley was past his prime but a leader for the Dodgers, now Freese has that role. Cheap rookie talent hasn't helped the Marlins.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by StraWMyerS

One problem with the idea of expansion is that hitting talent has far outpaced pitching talent, otherwise it would be great. Or maybe it still is... if the league wants slugfests, but it certainly wouldn't speed up the game any.

My instinct says this isn't true, so I checked. In the live ball era (since 1920), RPG is 4.47. This year it's 4.58. So up slightly but well within normal variance (one SD is 0.37 RPG). Last year was 4.45. Starting in 2017: 4.65, 4.48, 4.25, 4.07.

Over the last five years: 4.48
Over the last ten years: 4.36
Over the last 20 years: 4.56
From 1993-2009: 4.89

I think people forget how much offense there was in the 90s and early 2000s and how much pitching had dominated the early part of the 2010s. They also underestimate variance. To me this looks like just a normal "up" cycle for offense, and then even barely so. Were talking less than a half of an SD.

As the young hitters that have come into the league over the last 7 years or so get older I do expect offense to go up, but that's more because of their defense declining than quality of hitting or pitching.

[rwperu34]

To the point of the thread, I would say maybe. They are definitely getting called up earlier this year than in year's past, but that's by just a few weeks. And keep in mind the season starts earlier now too. It might just be that the Super 2 cutoff is going to be earlier this year.

As for the talent level, I do think we are up quite a bit. This has been going on since Harper and Trout in 2012 though. Part of it might be better talent. Part of it might be teams doing a better job of recognizing talent (ie less busts). Part of it is surely just randomness. Part of it is a bigger population providing talent for less teams. Part of it is something I didn't list.

[doowopbruce]

Love seeing them bring up the kids. Don't really care about the finances but am a big fan of September baseball, love to see the expanded roster call-ups and am upset they're doing away with it next year.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Triple B

Vlad jerseys are selling like no one's business here in Toronto and across Canada, I would imagine. Not sure about now, but for a bit, there was a waiting list for jerseys.

I'm guessing that XXXL has to be sold out already

[AnthonyCorona]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

As for the talent level, I do think we are up quite a bit. This has been going on since Harper and Trout in 2012 though. Part of it might be better talent. Part of it might be teams doing a better job of recognizing talent (ie less busts). Part of it is surely just randomness. Part of it is a bigger population providing talent for less teams. Part of it is something I didn't list.

I was going to start another thread asking this and still might do it. There are some teams like the Padres and Braves who seem to have a lot of young talent. Do those organizations draft/sign international FAs better OR do they develop them better?



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[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by AnthonyCorona

I was going to start another thread asking this and still might do it. There are some teams like the Padres and Braves who seem to have a lot of young talent. Do those organizations draft/sign international FAs better OR do they develop them better?



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Probably a little of both, although I'm leaning more and more to the development side. Paradox of skill and all. I also think that Latin America is about relationships as much as scouting. I'm thinking it might be more like NCAA football recruiting, especially once the top guys get signed.