James Harden/Chris Paul No Foul, I like it!

sethc1020 · 04-29-2019, 06:15 AM

I really liked how the GS vs. Hou game was called yesterday. Im sick of how Harden and others throw their legs or other body parts out on a jumper to get a foul called on the defender. The defenders are going straight up and down so what more can they do? Just not defend the shot? Chris Paul clearly threw his hip at the defender after letting the shot go to try to draw the foul at the end of the game and didn't get the call and I applaud the refs for that. I think its time for the NBA to take a look at this in the off season and decide on a better interpretation of the rule. I know it all started with Reggie Miller getting people to jump then jumping into them but its getting out of hand. If a defender is going straight up and down and not hitting a hand, wrist or any body part during the shot, it shouldn't be a foul. What the shooter does after the shot has been let go should not be a foul on a defender. IMO

Im a Lakers fan by the way so no bias for GS.

rats60 · 04-29-2019, 06:27 AM

Except the defenders did not jump straight up and down. They jumped into the Rockets shooters and those are fouls. Paul throwing a hip is not though. The shooter is only entitled to his shoulder width space, so throwing a hip or sticking out a leg to draw contact is not a foul. You are allowed to jump forward, like Harden does, into an open space. When the defender jumps forward into that same space and contacts the shooter, he is called for a foul. The last shot by Harden wasn't a foul. He pushed off to create space and should have been called for an offensive foul. You don't call a foul on a defender recovering his position.

LC2nine10 · 04-29-2019, 06:31 AM

Both teams are full of absolute babies. Is there a way for neither of them to advance? Because that's what I want.

ballhawkdawk · 04-29-2019, 06:38 AM

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Both teams are full of absolute babies. Is there a way for neither of them to advance? Because that's what I want.

Yeah... the crying and foul baiting is next level. Instead of trying to win by exploiting the game and baiting your defender, just play the damn game. I get that drawing fouls is part of the game, but do it within the context of the game, not trying to displace your hip into a defender just to get a call. I’m ok with trapping the arm on a defender who’s reaching because he shouldn’t be reaching, but the mid air contortion stuff is absurd. It goes for both teams. Curry loves trying to jump into defenders. Just play basketball and stop bitching so much. These teams have the potential for an epic series, or it could be a total letdown if they put the refs in the spotlight.

AnthonyCorona · 04-29-2019, 06:43 AM

I understand doing what it takes to win but fouls slow the game so much. A few less foul calls during the season and playoffs would make the game more enjoyable to watch, IMO

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KhalDrogo · 04-29-2019, 06:43 AM

KhalDrogo · 04-29-2019, 06:44 AM

I totally missed Harden throwing that elbow at Green to draw even more contact. What a loser.

Boo · 04-29-2019, 07:00 AM

Harden's shot at the end was not a foul, he can cry all day about it. Some in the first half were questionable but they called it consistently the whole game.

Southpas2013 · 04-29-2019, 07:05 AM

They called it consistently for both sides , and I loved it. Hate how easily they call fouls at the 3 point line . They broke down the no calls on espn well.

The game flow was great without all those stupid calls.

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Boo · 04-29-2019, 07:10 AM

As I said in the other thread, if Harden worried about hitting shots instead of kicking his legs out maybe he'd hit more and they would win. Kicking legs out when you shoot is not good form, which makes it less likely you hit the shot.

maconithappen · 04-29-2019, 07:18 AM

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Both teams are full of absolute babies. Is there a way for neither of them to advance? Because that's what I want.

Eastern conference all the way!

MJGOAT23 · 04-29-2019, 07:18 AM

Clear fouls on all of them. Doesn't matter if Harden's legs come a bit forward. defenders are not going straight up and down and invaded the landing space. case closed. It's no different than a contest up top...you might block the shot without hitting the hand but if you had to displace their lower half with body contact first it's still a foul. RE: the CP3 hip...that part is on CP3, but Livingston gets him up top on the hand before that anyway. FOUL.

Vinny407 · 04-29-2019, 07:20 AM

This series will continue to be hard to watch. Both of these teams are great, but are also by far the most babied in the NBA by the refs. And although I consider NBA refs to be horrible across the board, I know this series isn't going to be easy for them either. Every time they blow the whistle someone will cry about something and there will be a lot of techs going out. Hopefully all the games will be as competitive and entertaining as game 1.

rhigh2390 · 04-29-2019, 07:28 AM

I don't want any banged up ankles, but I am happy most were not called yesterday. I understand shooters need landing space, but they don't get 5 feet to do it. Defenders have the right to defend a shot. They literally can't do that if a shooter can jump as far forward as they can and the defender get called for a foul. Harden should worry more about making the shot than trying to contort his body into contact with someone else.

I agree with a few people that have said it. It's mainly just the anti-Warriors crowd that's crying today. Harden still shot 14 free throws, and some people think he should have got 15 more lol

I also agree that the refs have a very tough job to do this series. Harden falls down every time he shoots, regardless if he was even touched.

PKIPP · 04-29-2019, 07:34 AM

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Clear fouls on all of them. Doesn't matter if Harden's legs come a bit forward. defenders are not going straight up and down and invaded the landing space. case closed. It's no different than a contest up top...you might block the shot without hitting the hand but if you had to displace their lower half with body contact first it's still a foul. RE: the CP3 hip...that part is on CP3, but Livingston gets him up top on the hand before that anyway. FOUL.

Bingo. To choose to believe those aren't fouls is to ignore the rules at this point. But because people have some kind of hate for James Harden they choose to do so.

KhalDrogo · 04-29-2019, 07:38 AM

Some of you are too much.

rhigh2390 · 04-29-2019, 07:43 AM

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Some of you are too much.

They prove that it's simply hate for the Warriors because Houston did the same thing to KD twice and Steph once yesterday with no calls, and nobody that is acting like they want to protect the shooter is saying anything about them...since it's the Warriors lol

KhalDrogo · 04-29-2019, 07:48 AM

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They prove that it's simply hate for the Warriors because Houston did the same thing to KD twice and Steph once yesterday with no calls, and nobody that is acting like they want to protect the shooter is saying anything about them...since it's the Warriors lol

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rhigh2390 · 04-29-2019, 07:48 AM

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I am so sorry for your automobile!

Haha I love that commercial

PKIPP · 04-29-2019, 07:57 AM

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They prove that it's simply hate for the Warriors because Houston did the same thing to KD twice and Steph once yesterday with no calls, and nobody that is acting like they want to protect the shooter is saying anything about them...since it's the Warriors lol

Then those should also be called. I can't speak for others, but for me this isn't about hating one team or another. It's about the referees not being incompetent. I understand they're not going to get it 100% right every time. It's part of the human element of being a ref. Just like a strike zone in baseball, the umpire doesn't get it right every time. But it reaches a point where enough is enough.

And for the record I don't like all the crying to the refs from either team. The players still cry to the refs even when they do make the call. It's stupid.

Boo · 04-29-2019, 07:59 AM

Consistency is the only thing that matters with the calls. ALL other sports have the same problem and they have to adjust to the calls being made. The refs were 100% consistent yesterday with that non-call. If a player is too stupid to make adjustments, that's on them.

kobemagee29 · 04-29-2019, 08:32 AM

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those photo's are great, clearly shows that harden does not jump into defenders, his jump shot takes him forward after his follow through and release, same as when players shoot those little floaters and there momentum is going forward. What else your photo shows is the defender and how he did not go straight up and how his feet and body also brought him a couple feet ahead from where he started his jump. I believe it is the same call in the NCAA game last month that was called in the Virginia game in the final seconds.
You can dislike Harden all you want, but most people who watch basketball can somewhat tell when a fouled call is missed, just like the announcers from yesterdays game. I wouldn't say all of them were fouls, but there where 3 that clearly were in the 1st half

Waderade7 · 04-29-2019, 08:35 AM

James Harden after the game "I just want a fair chance man" Is this dude serious?

Boo · 04-29-2019, 08:39 AM

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James Harden after the game "I just want a fair chance man" Is this dude serious?

He knows he can't shoot so he needs fouls to be called.

dcarado · 04-29-2019, 08:42 AM

It seemed pretty clear this was an area that the refs were instructed to let go a little, AND ITS ABOUT TIME! As a fan (not really pulling for either side), I would much rather watch what happened yesterday than watch Harden and Curry shoot free throws every time they take a jump shot and don't even attempt to land on their feet. Play on!

04-29-2019, 06:15 AM	#1
sethc1020 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,627 sethc_1020	James Harden/Chris Paul No Foul, I like it! I really liked how the GS vs. Hou game was called yesterday. Im sick of how Harden and others throw their legs or other body parts out on a jumper to get a foul called on the defender. The defenders are going straight up and down so what more can they do? Just not defend the shot? Chris Paul clearly threw his hip at the defender after letting the shot go to try to draw the foul at the end of the game and didn't get the call and I applaud the refs for that. I think its time for the NBA to take a look at this in the off season and decide on a better interpretation of the rule. I know it all started with Reggie Miller getting people to jump then jumping into them but its getting out of hand. If a defender is going straight up and down and not hitting a hand, wrist or any body part during the shot, it shouldn't be a foul. What the shooter does after the shot has been let go should not be a foul on a defender. IMO Im a Lakers fan by the way so no bias for GS.

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AnthonyCorona Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 11,458 bwoodcollector	I understand doing what it takes to win but fouls slow the game so much. A few less foul calls during the season and playoffs would make the game more enjoyable to watch, IMO Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Julio better

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,257	__________________ I love PSA!

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,257	I totally missed Harden throwing that elbow at Green to draw even more contact. What a loser. __________________ I love PSA!

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Boo Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: PA Posts: 56,376 klay22	Harden's shot at the end was not a foul, he can cry all day about it. Some in the first half were questionable but they called it consistently the whole game. __________________ I have found that flicking through a few threads on my smartphone is a great way to pass some time while "stocking the pond."Hairy 6/7/12 “ I feel you, brother. Welcome to East Berlin, circa 1963.” Hairy 5/9/20

04-29-2019, 06:27 AM	#2
rats60 Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 9,996	Except the defenders did not jump straight up and down. They jumped into the Rockets shooters and those are fouls. Paul throwing a hip is not though. The shooter is only entitled to his shoulder width space, so throwing a hip or sticking out a leg to draw contact is not a foul. You are allowed to jump forward, like Harden does, into an open space. When the defender jumps forward into that same space and contacts the shooter, he is called for a foul. The last shot by Harden wasn't a foul. He pushed off to create space and should have been called for an offensive foul. You don't call a foul on a defender recovering his position.

04-29-2019, 06:31 AM	#3
LC2nine10 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Fayetteville Posts: 2,835	Both teams are full of absolute babies. Is there a way for neither of them to advance? Because that's what I want.

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Southpas2013 Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,202	They called it consistently for both sides , and I loved it. Hate how easily they call fouls at the 3 point line . They broke down the no calls on espn well. The game flow was great without all those stupid calls. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-29-2019, 07:10 AM	#10
Boo Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: PA Posts: 56,376 klay22	As I said in the other thread, if Harden worried about hitting shots instead of kicking his legs out maybe he'd hit more and they would win. Kicking legs out when you shoot is not good form, which makes it less likely you hit the shot. __________________ I have found that flicking through a few threads on my smartphone is a great way to pass some time while "stocking the pond."Hairy 6/7/12 “ I feel you, brother. Welcome to East Berlin, circa 1963.” Hairy 5/9/20

04-29-2019, 07:18 AM	#12
MJGOAT23 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 2,913 djhoog23	Clear fouls on all of them. Doesn't matter if Harden's legs come a bit forward. defenders are not going straight up and down and invaded the landing space. case closed. It's no different than a contest up top...you might block the shot without hitting the hand but if you had to displace their lower half with body contact first it's still a foul. RE: the CP3 hip...that part is on CP3, but Livingston gets him up top on the hand before that anyway. FOUL.

04-29-2019, 07:20 AM	#13
Vinny407 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Orlando Fl Posts: 1,514	This series will continue to be hard to watch. Both of these teams are great, but are also by far the most babied in the NBA by the refs. And although I consider NBA refs to be horrible across the board, I know this series isn't going to be easy for them either. Every time they blow the whistle someone will cry about something and there will be a lot of techs going out. Hopefully all the games will be as competitive and entertaining as game 1. __________________ Always looking for Any and all Orlando Magic!!

04-29-2019, 07:28 AM	#14
rhigh2390 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 10,664	I don't want any banged up ankles, but I am happy most were not called yesterday. I understand shooters need landing space, but they don't get 5 feet to do it. Defenders have the right to defend a shot. They literally can't do that if a shooter can jump as far forward as they can and the defender get called for a foul. Harden should worry more about making the shot than trying to contort his body into contact with someone else. I agree with a few people that have said it. It's mainly just the anti-Warriors crowd that's crying today. Harden still shot 14 free throws, and some people think he should have got 15 more lol I also agree that the refs have a very tough job to do this series. Harden falls down every time he shoots, regardless if he was even touched. __________________ Jerry, it's L.A..... Nobody leaves. MJ Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152884306@N08/albums Bulls Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/145799131@N08/albums Last edited by rhigh2390; 04-29-2019 at 07:30 AM.

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,257	Some of you are too much. __________________ I love PSA!

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Boo Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: PA Posts: 56,376 klay22	Consistency is the only thing that matters with the calls. ALL other sports have the same problem and they have to adjust to the calls being made. The refs were 100% consistent yesterday with that non-call. If a player is too stupid to make adjustments, that's on them. __________________ I have found that flicking through a few threads on my smartphone is a great way to pass some time while "stocking the pond."Hairy 6/7/12 “ I feel you, brother. Welcome to East Berlin, circa 1963.” Hairy 5/9/20

04-29-2019, 08:35 AM	#23
Waderade7 Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 24	James Harden after the game "I just want a fair chance man" Is this dude serious?

04-29-2019, 08:42 AM	#25
dcarado Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 4,575 dcarado56	It seemed pretty clear this was an area that the refs were instructed to let go a little, AND ITS ABOUT TIME! As a fan (not really pulling for either side), I would much rather watch what happened yesterday than watch Harden and Curry shoot free throws every time they take a jump shot and don't even attempt to land on their feet. Play on!