Is Scherzer a HOFer when he retires?

deemsterz33 · 07-16-2017, 07:58 PM

I could see him end up with 250 wins, 3000 K. With multiple CY Youngs and no-hitters already, he seems like he's probably a lock, right?

ThoseBackPages · 07-16-2017, 07:58 PM

i think a lot of people will get in going forward, Max being one of them

34JacktheRipper · 07-16-2017, 07:59 PM

Probably going to win Cy again this year. If he does I think he's a surefire lock.

deemsterz33 · 07-16-2017, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 34JacktheRipper

Probably going to win Cy again this year. If he does I think he's a surefire lock.

It's going to be fun watching him and Kershaw go neck in neck down the stretch this year

scottagibson · 07-16-2017, 08:07 PM

He is the definition of dominant right now. So fun to watch... except when he faces the Braves.

CheeseHead11 · 07-16-2017, 08:07 PM

I say yes. Put his numbers next to his peers and you won't find much better over the same span of time.

preakness · 07-16-2017, 08:11 PM

Eyes..

Skipscards · 07-16-2017, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

I could see him end up with 250 wins, 3000 K. With multiple CY Youngs and no-hitters already, he seems like he's probably a lock, right?

If he does all that, then he will definitely be a lock. He's certainly on track so far. But do you know who had eeriely similar numbers at the same age? Jered Weaver:

Weaver 131-69, 3.28 ERA, 1688 IP, 1405 Ks, 123 ERA+, 1.152 WHIP, 4 top 5 Cy Young finishes

Max 125-69, 3.39 ERA, 1696 IP, 1881 Ks, 123 ERA+, 1.145 WHIP, 4 top 5 Cy Young finishes (ok, so Max won 2)

I mean, Weaver's story isn't over yet, and Max has been great, but he still has a long way to climb that mountain.

37Jetson · 07-16-2017, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

If he does all that, then he will definitely be a lock. He's certainly on track so far. But do you know who had eeriely similar numbers at the same age? Jered Weaver:

Weaver 131-69, 3.28 ERA, 1688 IP, 1405 Ks, 123 ERA+, 1.152 WHIP, 4 top 5 Cy Young finishes

Max 125-69, 3.39 ERA, 1696 IP, 1881 Ks, 123 ERA+, 1.145 WHIP, 4 top 5 Cy Young finishes (ok, so Max won 2)

I mean, Weaver's story isn't over yet, and Max has been great, but he still has a long way to climb that mountain.

Very interesting comparison. It shows that Max still has a ways to go to stamp his ticket to Cooperstown. I believe that Max will make it.

justrun7 · 07-16-2017, 08:49 PM

I think Scherzer is a very interesting candidate and could be a big debate when his career is over, depending on how it ends. He didn't really hit his stride until he was 27, as he was just an average to above average pitcher statistically for his first 4 seasons. He is already 32, so I think it would depend on how long he can hold on to his peak. Hypothetically, would 6 dominant years in a 13-15 year career get a player into the HOF? Baseball Reference lists Jered Weaver, Josh Beckett, and Jake Peavy as the most similar pitchers to Scherzer through his age 31 season. I don't think any of those players will be getting in.

markinca · 07-16-2017, 08:57 PM

Or Johan Santana through age 31:

133-69, 3.10 ERA, 1908 IP, 1877 K, 142 ERA+, 1.120 WHIP, 5 top 5 Cy Young finishes (with 2 wins)

Or Roy Oswalt through age 31:

137-70, 3.23 ERA, 1803 IP, 1473 K, 134 ERA+, 1.202 WHIP, 5 top 5 Cy Young finishes

You never know when the wheels are gonna come off or if an injury comes lurking. Max has a long road ahead still.

texmcpherson · 07-16-2017, 09:03 PM

Absolutely. Like others have said he has been an example of pure dominance. 2,000 K's, career 10.1 K/9, 3.24 ERA., 1.12 ERA

Nyfancam01 · 07-16-2017, 09:07 PM

i say yes. he'll get in!

babybull · 07-16-2017, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

I could see him end up with 250 wins, 3000 K. With multiple CY Youngs and no-hitters already, he seems like he's probably a lock, right?

I'll decide when his career is over.

RelicCollector · 07-16-2017, 09:30 PM

I think he is on the fringe right now, but hopefully some more Cy Young's, no hitters, or postseason success solidifies him.

Towsontiger1121 · 07-17-2017, 12:12 AM

He will get to 225+ wins. And a World Series couldn't hurt

mfw13 · 07-17-2017, 12:45 AM

Given how tough it has been for non-Braves starters lately, no.

Look at how little support Mussina & Schilling have gotten, for example.

callou2131 · 07-17-2017, 06:54 AM

yet he is still relatively cheap compared to many.

WillBBC · 07-17-2017, 08:22 AM

Long way to go before he retires, hopefully he keeps throwing fire!

theflushingmets · 07-17-2017, 08:25 AM

idk how you can compare weaver to scherzer. weaver has fallen off a cliff while scherzer has aged like fine wine.

hairyharold · 07-17-2017, 08:35 AM

is roy halladay still considered to have had a HOF career?

Peties Army · 07-17-2017, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

I could see him end up with 250 wins, 3000 K. With multiple CY Youngs and no-hitters already, he seems like he's probably a lock, right?

If he retires right now today, no he doesn't get in.

He is already 33. He has had a dominate 5 years, but he will need a few others to get there.

No way he gets 250 wins. He is barley half way now

Peties Army · 07-17-2017, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by theflushingmets

idk how you can compare weaver to scherzer. weaver has fallen off a cliff while scherzer has aged like fine wine.

Um, that's his point. When Weaver was his age were we talking about Weaver as a HOF? Then after his falloff no one is. Granted Max has been more dominate then Weaver ever was.

smapdi · 07-17-2017, 08:54 AM

Guys, shush. He has no shot. He's a disaster. Scherzer couldn't even stick with the D'backs when they were terrible. Liquidate all your Scherzer holdings in an ebay firesale and put the pitiful yield on Strasburg.

Scottish Punk · 07-17-2017, 09:31 AM

Can we wait until his career is over or at least winding down? Way too early.

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deemsterz33 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 5,927 phunkified	Is Scherzer a HOFer when he retires? I could see him end up with 250 wins, 3000 K. With multiple CY Youngs and no-hitters already, he seems like he's probably a lock, right?

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,348 ThoseBackPages	i think a lot of people will get in going forward, Max being one of them __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

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scottagibson Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Down South Posts: 3,502	He is the definition of dominant right now. So fun to watch... except when he faces the Braves. __________________ Always looking for Hunter Renfroe I don't have!

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texmcpherson Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 15,950 texmcpherson	Absolutely. Like others have said he has been an example of pure dominance. 2,000 K's, career 10.1 K/9, 3.24 ERA., 1.12 ERA __________________ *You can’t triple stamp a double stamp.*

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callou2131 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Centreville, Md Posts: 8,477	yet he is still relatively cheap compared to many. __________________ Sent using US Airways Wifi

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34JacktheRipper Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 4,387	Probably going to win Cy again this year. If he does I think he's a surefire lock.

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CheeseHead11 Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 494	I say yes. Put his numbers next to his peers and you won't find much better over the same span of time.

07-16-2017, 08:11 PM	#7
preakness Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Johnny Ryno's soul Posts: 21,077	Eyes..

07-16-2017, 08:49 PM	#10
justrun7 Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: New Jersey Posts: 817 justrun7 justrun7	I think Scherzer is a very interesting candidate and could be a big debate when his career is over, depending on how it ends. He didn't really hit his stride until he was 27, as he was just an average to above average pitcher statistically for his first 4 seasons. He is already 32, so I think it would depend on how long he can hold on to his peak. Hypothetically, would 6 dominant years in a 13-15 year career get a player into the HOF? Baseball Reference lists Jered Weaver, Josh Beckett, and Jake Peavy as the most similar pitchers to Scherzer through his age 31 season. I don't think any of those players will be getting in.

07-16-2017, 08:57 PM	#11
markinca Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,936 MarkInCA	Or Johan Santana through age 31: 133-69, 3.10 ERA, 1908 IP, 1877 K, 142 ERA+, 1.120 WHIP, 5 top 5 Cy Young finishes (with 2 wins) Or Roy Oswalt through age 31: 137-70, 3.23 ERA, 1803 IP, 1473 K, 134 ERA+, 1.202 WHIP, 5 top 5 Cy Young finishes You never know when the wheels are gonna come off or if an injury comes lurking. Max has a long road ahead still.

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Nyfancam01 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,890 Nyfancam01 Nyfancam01	i say yes. he'll get in!

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RelicCollector Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,500	I think he is on the fringe right now, but hopefully some more Cy Young's, no hitters, or postseason success solidifies him.

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Towsontiger1121 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 423	He will get to 225+ wins. And a World Series couldn't hurt

07-17-2017, 12:45 AM	#17
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,568	Given how tough it has been for non-Braves starters lately, no. Look at how little support Mussina & Schilling have gotten, for example.

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WillBBC Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,287	Long way to go before he retires, hopefully he keeps throwing fire!

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theflushingmets Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Richmond VA Posts: 2,014 Rob_digital_nyc Theflushingmets516	idk how you can compare weaver to scherzer. weaver has fallen off a cliff while scherzer has aged like fine wine. __________________ Always looking to add more to my Mets collection. Currently looking for high end cards of the more obscure players to put on a Mets uni in the bigs.

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hairyharold Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,859	is roy halladay still considered to have had a HOF career?

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smapdi Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,767 piledriver1	Guys, shush. He has no shot. He's a disaster. Scherzer couldn't even stick with the D'backs when they were terrible. Liquidate all your Scherzer holdings in an ebay firesale and put the pitiful yield on Strasburg.

07-17-2017, 09:31 AM	#25
Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 9,889 scottishpunk	Can we wait until his career is over or at least winding down? Way too early.