1986-87 Fleer Jordan - Value Help!

pdxprospect · 08-18-2016, 06:17 PM

Sorry, more of a baseball card collector, but trying to add a Jordan.

So my local shop is selling the following 2 cards and has them priced 1200 and 120 respectively. Obviously, I would try and make sure deal for the pair...

But I'm curious what you think they would grade and how much you would pay for them...if at all.

There is a small dimple above the yellow on the left.

What do you think?

WE_GOT_THAT_TOO · 08-18-2016, 06:21 PM

I'd be concerned about authenticity even if it's a shop

pejc300 · 08-18-2016, 06:23 PM

$1200 for the RC Jordan is absurd. It's probably a PSA 4, maybe even a 3. The eye appeal is bad as it is terribly off-centered. I'd probably stay away unless you can get it for like $600.

The sticker might be an okay deal but would be interested to see the back and to see if there are any other obvious issues.

pejc300 · 08-18-2016, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WE_GOT_THAT_TOO

I'd be concerned about authenticity even if it's a shop

Nah, they're real. You don't see too many badly off-centered reprints with print spots on them.

WE_GOT_THAT_TOO · 08-18-2016, 06:24 PM

The perfect plan lol

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Originally Posted by pejc300

Nah, they're real. You don't see too many badly off-centered reprints with print spots on them.

tmar214 · 08-18-2016, 06:29 PM

The sticker seems worth the gamble.

Wouldn't buy the reg rc. When buying raw you need big upside to make up for grading costs and risk of being fake.

WE_GOT_THAT_TOO · 08-18-2016, 06:32 PM

Keep this in mind...a card shop is a business like any other. They're in it to make money. If they thought they could grade and sell for more they wouldn't sell it raw to someone else and lose out on the profit

Jnb0123 · 08-18-2016, 06:33 PM

The rookie is real. Fish eye on the back is a clear indication. Sticker is a very nice buy at $120

ThoseBackPages · 08-18-2016, 06:33 PM

Man, that RC is so OC its almost appealing!

i agree, the sticker looks real nice from the pic

pejc300 · 08-18-2016, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WE_GOT_THAT_TOO

Keep this in mind...a card shop is a business like any other. They're in it to make money. If they thought they could grade and sell for more they wouldn't sell it raw to someone else and lose out on the profit

You would think this is true but there are a lot of old school shop owners who don't grade at all. I'm lucky to have one in my town...

WE_GOT_THAT_TOO · 08-18-2016, 06:38 PM

Only play with the sticker

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Originally Posted by pejc300

You would think this is true but there are a lot of old school shop owners who don't grade at all. I'm lucky to have one in my town...

callou2131 · 08-18-2016, 06:43 PM

are those scratch marks all over the front too??

pdxprospect · 08-18-2016, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by callou2131

are those scratch marks all over the front too??

No, that is the penny sleeve.
There are some slight surface scratches on the RC.

pdxprospect · 08-18-2016, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

$1200 for the RC Jordan is absurd. It's probably a PSA 4, maybe even a 3. The eye appeal is bad as it is terribly off-centered. I'd probably stay away unless you can get it for like $600.

The sticker might be an okay deal but would be interested to see the back and to see if there are any other obvious issues.

So he will give the pair to me for close to that but tonight only, so I feel this is a great deal with low risk.
Worst case, I am buying a 2(OC) which still sells for $500+. Right?
I think it could be a 5(OC)...

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Originally Posted by tmar214

The sticker seems worth the gamble.

Wouldn't buy the reg rc. When buying raw you need big upside to make up for grading costs and risk of being fake.

I do like the sticker. It has great appeal from the front. Back as some surface water marks and is a little OC.
I am not too worried about authenticity.

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Originally Posted by WE_GOT_THAT_TOO

Keep this in mind...a card shop is a business like any other. They're in it to make money. If they thought they could grade and sell for more they wouldn't sell it raw to someone else and lose out on the profit

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Man, that RC is so OC its almost appealing!

i agree, the sticker looks real nice from the pic

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Originally Posted by WE_GOT_THAT_TOO

Only play with the sticker

I think for the package, I could grade the card, sell it and keep the sticker for a fairly good price if not free...

Any other thoughts on grade of RC?

Springerj23 · 08-18-2016, 07:42 PM

You are going to take a bath, a cold one on the RC. At 1200, you could probably pick up a 7 if you did some leg work. The sticker on the other hand minus not seeing the back looks sharp for $120.
Grade wise on the RC, 5 at absolute best, 4 more realistic. You can pickup 5s almost everywhere for $750-$850.

Soleternity · 08-18-2016, 07:50 PM

I picked up a worse looking sticker (centering and edge/corner wise, really hard to judge the surface via pic) for $145 from LCS a month ago. I asked owner why he didn't get it graded, he said he just doesn't think the grade co's are fair, and gave the example that they gave his Jordan #57 RC an 8 when he knew it should've graded better. He's not alone in that sentiment, I've met several LCS owners who simply don't like grading cards. Anyway, I sent the sticker in for grading and it got a 6.5 with pretty strong subs. So, at current eBay prices ($250-325 for 6.5s recently), I probably picked up ~$100 in value by grading the card. I'd go for it if I were you, assuming you have good reason to believe it's authentic and would do pretty well with grading. Hell, raw stickers that look way worse than that one go for more than $120 on eBay.

pdxprospect · 08-18-2016, 08:05 PM

Yeah, so I pulled the trigger and got the pair for 600.
Shop owner is fair and I don't think I'd have any issues with it being authentic.

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ThoseBackPages · 08-18-2016, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pdxprospect

Yeah, so I pulled the trigger and got the pair for 600.
Shop owner is fair and I don't think I'd have any issues with it being authentic.

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i think that is a good buy! Now have them slabbed immediately and put them away!

Oh, and welcome to the MJ RC Club!

Springerj23 · 08-18-2016, 08:23 PM

600 for the pair is an ok deal. Be interesting to see what that sticker grades. Let us know.

pdxprospect · 08-18-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Springerj23

600 for the pair is an ok deal. Be interesting to see what that sticker grades. Let us know.

Definitely will do.
I wanted to pay psa 2 pricing, which I feel is fair.

saraceno21 · 08-18-2016, 08:30 PM

I really like the sticker. I bet you will get a nice grade on that. I think you got a good deal.

pdxprospect · 08-18-2016, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by saraceno21

I really like the sticker. I bet you will get a nice grade on that. I think you got a good deal.

Thanks bud. I hope so.
If not, not too much risk.

pdxprospect · 09-27-2016, 08:51 PM

Grades Popped! Not too shabby...

26262331 EXCELLENT 5 1986 Fleer 57 Michael Jordan Card
26262332 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1986 Fleer Sticker 8 Michael Jordan Card

ThoseBackPages · 09-27-2016, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdxprospect

Grades Popped! Not too shabby...

26262331 EXCELLENT 5 1986 Fleer 57 Michael Jordan Card
26262332 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1986 Fleer Sticker 8 Michael Jordan Card

Sanborn · 09-27-2016, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdxprospect

Yeah, so I pulled the trigger and got the pair for 600.
Shop owner is fair and I don't think I'd have any issues with it being authentic.

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I probably would have pulled the trigger at $600.00. Good for you! Good luck with the slabs, please let us know!

08-18-2016, 06:17 PM	#1
pdxprospect Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: PDX Posts: 2,456 pdxprospect	1986-87 Fleer Jordan - Value Help! Sorry, more of a baseball card collector, but trying to add a Jordan. So my local shop is selling the following 2 cards and has them priced 1200 and 120 respectively. Obviously, I would try and make sure deal for the pair... But I'm curious what you think they would grade and how much you would pay for them...if at all. There is a small dimple above the yellow on the left. What do you think? __________________ A small time collector and investor in the great PDX. Last edited by pdxprospect; 08-19-2016 at 05:27 PM.

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WE_GOT_THAT_TOO Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: What's the difference? Posts: 3,651 WE_GOT_THAT_TOO WE_GOT_THAT_TOO	I'd be concerned about authenticity even if it's a shop __________________ Paying Top $$$ For 2006-07 SP Signature Edition Signatures Gold /10 Steve Kerr & Jorge Garbajosa

08-18-2016, 06:32 PM	#7
WE_GOT_THAT_TOO Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: What's the difference? Posts: 3,651 WE_GOT_THAT_TOO WE_GOT_THAT_TOO	Keep this in mind...a card shop is a business like any other. They're in it to make money. If they thought they could grade and sell for more they wouldn't sell it raw to someone else and lose out on the profit __________________ Paying Top $$$ For 2006-07 SP Signature Edition Signatures Gold /10 Steve Kerr & Jorge Garbajosa

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 88,966 ThoseBackPages	Man, that RC is so OC its almost appealing! i agree, the sticker looks real nice from the pic __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

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08-18-2016, 06:23 PM	#3
pejc300 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,644	$1200 for the RC Jordan is absurd. It's probably a PSA 4, maybe even a 3. The eye appeal is bad as it is terribly off-centered. I'd probably stay away unless you can get it for like $600. The sticker might be an okay deal but would be interested to see the back and to see if there are any other obvious issues.

08-18-2016, 06:29 PM	#6
tmar214 Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,914	The sticker seems worth the gamble. Wouldn't buy the reg rc. When buying raw you need big upside to make up for grading costs and risk of being fake.

08-18-2016, 06:33 PM	#8
Jnb0123 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 3,182	The rookie is real. Fish eye on the back is a clear indication. Sticker is a very nice buy at $120

08-18-2016, 07:42 PM	#15
Springerj23 Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Newburgh, IN Posts: 1,499	You are going to take a bath, a cold one on the RC. At 1200, you could probably pick up a 7 if you did some leg work. The sticker on the other hand minus not seeing the back looks sharp for $120. Grade wise on the RC, 5 at absolute best, 4 more realistic. You can pickup 5s almost everywhere for $750-$850.

08-18-2016, 07:50 PM	#16
Soleternity Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 467	I picked up a worse looking sticker (centering and edge/corner wise, really hard to judge the surface via pic) for $145 from LCS a month ago. I asked owner why he didn't get it graded, he said he just doesn't think the grade co's are fair, and gave the example that they gave his Jordan #57 RC an 8 when he knew it should've graded better. He's not alone in that sentiment, I've met several LCS owners who simply don't like grading cards. Anyway, I sent the sticker in for grading and it got a 6.5 with pretty strong subs. So, at current eBay prices ($250-325 for 6.5s recently), I probably picked up ~$100 in value by grading the card. I'd go for it if I were you, assuming you have good reason to believe it's authentic and would do pretty well with grading. Hell, raw stickers that look way worse than that one go for more than $120 on eBay.

08-18-2016, 08:05 PM	#17
pdxprospect Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: PDX Posts: 2,456 pdxprospect	Yeah, so I pulled the trigger and got the pair for 600. Shop owner is fair and I don't think I'd have any issues with it being authentic. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk __________________ A small time collector and investor in the great PDX.

08-18-2016, 08:23 PM	#19
Springerj23 Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Newburgh, IN Posts: 1,499	600 for the pair is an ok deal. Be interesting to see what that sticker grades. Let us know.

08-18-2016, 08:30 PM	#21
saraceno21 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,347 Saraceno21 Saraceno21	I really like the sticker. I bet you will get a nice grade on that. I think you got a good deal.

09-27-2016, 08:51 PM	#23
pdxprospect Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: PDX Posts: 2,456 pdxprospect	Grades Popped! Not too shabby... 26262331 EXCELLENT 5 1986 Fleer 57 Michael Jordan Card 26262332 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1986 Fleer Sticker 8 Michael Jordan Card __________________ A small time collector and investor in the great PDX.