✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by PFF100

It’s what my wallet prays for daily


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ahaha same!

[Qubits]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Based on what? Lol

I really, really wish people could take at least a single day to appreciate the first time something has *ever* been done in baseball before going back down this road of looking for reasons why it's actually not that impressive

The ease at which folks can just sit back and enjoy this moment appears to be positively correlated with the number of Ohtani cards they already owned when it occurred.

Strange huh?

[ThoseBackPages]

why does FatBoy only have 2 SBs?

its easy to steal bases now, right?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Qubits

The ease at which folks can just sit back and enjoy this moment appears to be positively correlated with the number of Ohtani cards they already owned when it occurred.

Strange huh?

good point

[Hollywood42]

I have one (1) solid sub-$500 Ohtani card in my collection with no plans to sell anytime now or in the future. Someone please let me know what level of enjoyment I should be at now so I can adjust accordingly. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Qubits

The ease at which folks can just sit back and enjoy this moment appears to be positively correlated with the number of Ohtani cards they already owned when it occurred.

Strange huh?

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by Qubits

The ease at which folks can just sit back and enjoy this moment appears to be positively correlated with the number of Ohtani cards they already owned when it occurred.



Strange huh?

Blowout has the most saltiest of POMO tears.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Griffey never stole more than 24.

There is a lot of revisionist history going on

Ohtani never stole more then 26 before this year

[chilly55]

Originally Posted by JRX

That 24 is easily at least 35 given the rules today and 40 isn't that far a stretch. He definitely had the talent to do 50/50 under today's rules.

Yep. Prior to the new rules. Ohtani never attempted more that 36 steals in a season. He was 26 for 36 in his highest SB season. A 72% steal rate. The next year, just 11 in 20 attempts. A 55% rate.

Throw in the new rules, and he has already attempted 55 SB with a 93% SB rate. Wait, prior to the rule changes, he attempted a total of 93 steals in 5 seasons at a 71% clip.

Just saying, if Griffey, or Arod had these rules back in the 90's, 50/50 would have already been accomplished. If Ohtani can more than double his attempts in 1 year from 2023 to 2024, have Griffey or Arod 2X +their attempts and it's done.

Props to Ohtani for doing it, but not that impressive given the new rules. He's a beast at the plate, not saying otherwise, but his SB numbers, meh. As others have mentioned, hard to compare different eras, but it's obviously much, much easier for players to steal nowadays.

[cardsin47]

One of my favorite Wax Boxes … 2018 Bowman Hobby. Ohtani RC and live AUTOS.


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[Hollywood42]

How many bases would Ohtani have stolen by now if he also wasn't pitching 130 innings a year?

"Not that impressive", give me a freaking break

Originally Posted by chilly55

Yep. Prior to the new rules. Ohtani never attempted more that 36 steals in a season. He was 26 for 36 in his highest SB season. A 72% steal rate. The next year, just 11 in 20 attempts. A 55% rate.

Throw in the new rules, and he has already attempted 55 SB with a 93% SB rate. Wait, prior to the rule changes, he attempted a total of 93 steals in 5 seasons at a 71% clip.

Just saying, if Griffey, or Arod had these rules back in the 90's, 50/50 would have already been accomplished. If Ohtani can more than double his attempts in 1 year from 2023 to 2024, have Griffey or Arod 2X +their attempts and it's done.

Props to Ohtani for doing it, but not that impressive given the new rules. He's a beast at the plate, not saying otherwise, but his SB numbers, meh. As others have mentioned, hard to compare different eras, but it's obviously much, much easier for players to steal nowadays.

[ThoseBackPages]

why does Judge only have 10 SBs?

New Rules make it easy to steal bases now

[Qubits]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

I have one (1) solid sub-$500 Ohtani card in my collection with no plans to sell anytime now or in the future. Someone please let me know what level of enjoyment I should be at now so I can adjust accordingly. Thanks!

I'd say with that level of investment you are allowed a golf-clap and a wry smile at the thought of 50/50. Don't overdo it though.

[SoCalsFinest]

Originally Posted by chilly55

Yep. Prior to the new rules. Ohtani never attempted more that 36 steals in a season. He was 26 for 36 in his highest SB season. A 72% steal rate. The next year, just 11 in 20 attempts. A 55% rate.

Throw in the new rules, and he has already attempted 55 SB with a 93% SB rate. Wait, prior to the rule changes, he attempted a total of 93 steals in 5 seasons at a 71% clip.

Just saying, if Griffey, or Arod had these rules back in the 90's, 50/50 would have already been accomplished. If Ohtani can more than double his attempts in 1 year from 2023 to 2024, have Griffey or Arod 2X +their attempts and it's done.

Props to Ohtani for doing it, but not that impressive given the new rules. He's a beast at the plate, not saying otherwise, but his SB numbers, meh. As others have mentioned, hard to compare different eras, but it's obviously much, much easier for players to steal nowadays.

It's so easy that all of the elite players have 50+ steals!

[rms13]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

why does Judge only have 10 SBs?

New Rules make it easy to steal bases now

Probably being careful with the history of hip, calf and toe injuries he's had

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by rms13

Probably being careful with the history of hip, calf and toe injuries he's had

but its easy to steal now! easy! new rules!

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

So if you read my past posts that is not what I was saying at all! I was asking why low end and some medium end Ohtani RC were down 50% or more from last year's highs before Ohtani was injured. I get the price decline after the injury. But this year as a DH only Ohtani was surpassing this years expectation while not pitching. I was arguing that he was exceeding expectations in a DH role only and the market was being irrational. The argument was high end was maintaining its value...so it was a supply and demand issue when it came to low end RC base cards. I said it didn't make complete sense to me that these cards were all down 50% or more from last years peak. I was not saying base cards should be above last years highs...I was just saying the market was wrong and basically valuing these cards as if his performance dropped of significantly and he was having a bad year performance wise.



At this time I don't want to sell any of my Ohtani cards...but if I did I agree now is the time to sell base and low end RC cards.



BTW...this board makes it seem like I only have Ohtani base RC cards. Please look at the cards I post....the majority are non base RC cards.



I am just happy to be an Ohtani collector and that the market is valuing his cards appropriately now in my opinion.

You've got some really nice Sho cards man, for sure. Some super cool mid end stuff. I didn't mention that part of your collection because I assumed you weren't willing to part with it, but you'd talked about liquidating some base before. Kudos to you for hanging on to all the base thus far, I let mine go quite a while ago and while I did really well with all of it it's days like yesterday that makes one sad of any Ohtani liquidation lol.

We all have mental caps on what we are individually willing to pay for a single card. As my cap has gone up over the years I've learned that once a cap is pushed through a whole new world of beautiful cards is opened up to me and I strive to keep upping that mental price cap, and I become willing to part with cards to push that cap that I never thought I'd part with. My impression of your collecting style is that you have an inordinately low price cap on singles purchases based on your overall spend. This is what all your friends on this board are trying to put their finger on, as it's all of our assumptions that once you break your mental price cap your joy in collecting will also increase which is basically what all here hope for above all else.

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[redauto5]

Originally Posted by chilly55

Yep. Prior to the new rules. Ohtani never attempted more that 36 steals in a season. He was 26 for 36 in his highest SB season. A 72% steal rate. The next year, just 11 in 20 attempts. A 55% rate.



Throw in the new rules, and he has already attempted 55 SB with a 93% SB rate. Wait, prior to the rule changes, he attempted a total of 93 steals in 5 seasons at a 71% clip.



Just saying, if Griffey, or Arod had these rules back in the 90's, 50/50 would have already been accomplished. If Ohtani can more than double his attempts in 1 year from 2023 to 2024, have Griffey or Arod 2X +their attempts and it's done.



Props to Ohtani for doing it, but not that impressive given the new rules. He's a beast at the plate, not saying otherwise, but his SB numbers, meh. As others have mentioned, hard to compare different eras, but it's obviously much, much easier for players to steal nowadays.

There's an ESPN article out that speaks to Shohei's laser focus on stealing more bases coming into this year, as he had to become he isn't pitching. Studying pickoff moves, tells etc. Shohei's 51 steals at a 93% success rate has something to do with the rule changes sure, but I'd argue it has MUCH more to do with Shohei's mission and dedication to excellence being focused on steals this year. After all, he's second in stolen bases and like 6th most efficient in the league. Just Shohei being Shohei. Go buy some Shohei, whiners. Then you can enjoy his greatness as it should be enjoyed instead of all this constant POMO.

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[PFF100]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i wonder if they should let fat guys take bigger leads

I love your responses to nonsense

At the end of the day Ohtani stole 50 bases playing by the rules set by Major League Baseball.

He didn’t create these rules himself to give him self an unfair advantage.

He just showed up to work and made history.


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[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

why does Judge only have 10 SBs?

New Rules make it easy to steal bases now

Because he had an injured foot from last years episode with the wall in Dodger stadium. I doubt he would’ve had more than 20 either way just not a big part of his game.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

Because he had an injured foot from last years episode with the wall in Dodger stadium. I doubt he would’ve had more than 20 either way just not a big part of his game.

but but but

new rules!

easy now!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by PFF100

I love your responses to nonsense

At the end of the day Ohtani stole 50 bases playing by the rules set by Major League Baseball.

He didn’t create these rules himself to give him self an unfair advantage.

He just showed up to work and made history.


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hey now! dont let common sense get in the way! HAHAHA

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

but its easy to steal now! easy! new rules!

Elly de la Cruz agrees if only he could get on base more 100 wouldn’t be out of the question. Acuna jr had 70 so yes there are other elite players who can steal over 50, the accomplishment is getting on base enough times even after hitting 51 homers. If base stealing were part of Judges game with the amount of times he walks and his on base percentage I would think he could do it.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

Elly de la Cruz agrees if only he could get on base more 100 wouldn’t be out of the question. Acuna jr had 70 so yes there are other elite players who can steal over 50, the accomplishment is getting on base enough times even after hitting 51 homers. If base stealing were part of Judges game with the amount of times he walks and his on base percentage I would think he could do it.

NONSENSE!

its easy now, Sir!

Judge (and most of the leagues hobby players) must be lazy!

[cardsin47]

We can play the ‘but if’ game all day long, but it’s kinda’ silly. Players back to the late 1800’s earned their stats just as they do today. Ohtani did steal 50 bases, and there’s no Time Machine where he didn’t just do it.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

but but but

new rules!

easy now!

No now you’re showing troll like abilities. When Ohtani sits on the bench most of the game waiting for his 4 or 5 times at bat all these other players are in the field concentrating on the game. Maybe if they could sit in the dugout and study all the pitchers and catchers perhaps they would steal at will also. Ohtani is the best player but there is always an angle with people who only cherish him because of their collections.