Is Kyle Schwarber a HOFer? - Page 9

Skipscards · 10-22-2023, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by green4407

OK so fwar says Hedges would have 1.5 war if only these darned teams had let him be a full time starter.

Does it say that? I don’t use fWAR. rWAR says he was a below replacement player.

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Realmuto had a 1.5 war. Schwarber 1.4.

Realmuto had 3.6 WAR, Schwarber .7.

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Skips, are you saying the Phillies would be just as good with two Hedges instead of JT and Schwarber?

No. I am not saying. A -1.1 WAR player, no matter how much they play isn’t going be just as good as Realmuto and Schwarber.

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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills even debating such a ridiculous argument.

I understand. That’s how one feels when using a straw man.

Skipscards · 10-22-2023, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stifle

Skip, I have always enjoyed the way you debate ! I give you respect as well as many members who do research and who actually witnessed these performers.

Honestly, Reggie had a very strong arm and could throw out base runners. Bottom line, there is a reason why he was the leader as a RF for errors 8 times during his American League career. There is a reason why Reggie doesn’t have a single GG next to his resume. He had adequate fielding range in RF. There is a reason he played roughly 35% of his career games as a non positional player. At one time Jackson could run, but he also ran himself into the dugout with his opportunities.

What is Schwarber WAR value in the Post Season compared to Betts ? The season lasts till the season is over ! WAR ends in the regular season, but the season doesn’t !

Reggie Jackson didn’t shy away from the biggest moments or in the biggest market ! Schwarber in Chicago and Phily has done it when it matters.

Thanks Stifle. Reggie was a dynamic all-timer. And like everyone he eventually got old.

WAR isn’t measured in the post season. But players have such a small sample size, it’s pretty obvious who the post season legends are. So, if you want to say Schwarber has played like Reggie in the post season, ok. Sure. They are both post season beasts.

hxcmilkshake · 10-22-2023, 03:48 PM

Reggie has 10 WS home runs. Wake me when Schwarber approaches that. WS>LCS>LDS>WC

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rngrdanny22 · 10-22-2023, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Reggie has 10 WS home runs. Wake me when Schwarber approaches that. WS>LCS>LDS>WC

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Reggie also never got to play in WC or LDS games.

ThoseBackPages · 10-22-2023, 04:01 PM

REGGIE!

Bars and Bar · 10-22-2023, 04:03 PM

Schwarber is FAR from being considered for the HOF

whitmm · 10-22-2023, 04:05 PM

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Reggie also never got to play in WC or LDS games.

1981 had a division series for some reason

ThoseBackPages · 10-22-2023, 04:05 PM

Kyle > Harold

rngrdanny22 · 10-22-2023, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by whitmm

1981 had a division series for some reason

Yeah, the strike year. That was pretty odd.

rngrdanny22 · 10-22-2023, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Kyle > Harold

Kyle > Harold > Rizzuto?

whitmm · 10-22-2023, 04:29 PM

So apparently Kyle Schwarber is Reggie Jackson because he has hit some postseason home runs. In the Bryce Harper thread, he was annointed this generation's Mr October, so he's Reggie Jackson. Let's not stop there. Nick Castellanos has 5 homers this postseason, same has Schwarber, so he must also be Reggie Jackson. Might as well throw Turner in there as well, since he's hitting.455 with 3 hrs.

How has team lost any games? Every player is the most clutch to ever play the game

Rememberthepast · 10-22-2023, 04:31 PM

Hell no! Stop cheapening the entry requirements.

oldgoldy97 · 10-22-2023, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Reggie has 10 WS home runs. Wake me when Schwarber approaches that. WS>LCS>LDS>WC

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Do you promise to sleep until then?

hxcmilkshake · 10-22-2023, 05:22 PM

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Do you promise to sleep until then?

I'm sleeping right now. Dreaming of JD Martinez.

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oldgoldy97 · 10-22-2023, 05:56 PM

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I'm sleeping right now. Dreaming of JD Martinez.

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Somehow he didn’t win MVP every year of his career.

ThoseBackPages · 10-22-2023, 06:24 PM

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Kyle > Harold > Rizzuto?

Rizz got all the broads though!

rngrdanny22 · 10-22-2023, 07:23 PM

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Rizz got all the broads though!

base set · 10-22-2023, 07:51 PM

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REGGIE!

HeritageKing · 10-22-2023, 08:59 PM

Wake me up when Schwarbs strikes out 2,597 times.

rngrdanny22 · 10-22-2023, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HeritageKing

Wake me up when Schwarbs strikes out 2,597 times.

He'll pull an Adam Dunn and retire before then.

He's already 260th all-time. If he K's as many times next year as he did this year, he'll shoot up to 137th and be tied with Rafael Palmeiro.

HeritageKing · 10-22-2023, 09:09 PM

Schwarbs has a third of the at bats Jackson had and almost 45 % of the home runs Jackson had, plus he doesn't strikeout every other at bat like Reggie did.I think they should wave the 5 year wait for Kyle.

Stifle · 10-22-2023, 09:52 PM

Just think where Ortiz was at age 27 if a thread was about him going into the HOF. This thread would be talking Dave Kingman, Adam Dunn, Etc. Members would be saying his defense is lousy, his WAR is lousy, he is 27 and has barely done anything. At 30 Ortiz was beginning to have power seasons and was being noticed. HOF worthy, members still would have said no way.

After being one of the greatest Clutch hitters in Post season history with 0 regular season MVP’s, his bust is located in the Hall Of Fame. Did his performances in the Post Season have any bearing on David Ortiz being a HOF’er. I believe it bumped him over the hump. One caveat then another until voters realized how valuable he was in the most critical opportunities a player dreams about occurring, Post Season huge hits.

itsbaytime · 10-22-2023, 09:58 PM

What's wrong with you??

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
1997 21 MIN AL 15 51 49 10 16 3 0 1 6 0 0 2 19 .327 .353 .449 .802 108 22 1 0 0 0 0 3/HD
1998 22 MIN AL 86 326 278 47 77 20 0 9 46 1 0 39 72 .277 .371 .446 .817 111 124 8 5 0 4 3 3D/H
1999 23 MIN AL 10 25 20 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 12 .000 .200 .000 .200 -43 0 2 0 0 0 0 /DH3
2000 24 MIN AL 130 478 415 59 117 36 1 10 63 1 0 57 81 .282 .364 .446 .810 101 185 13 0 0 6 2 D3H
2001 25 MIN AL 89 347 303 46 71 17 1 18 48 1 0 40 68 .234 .324 .475 .799 107 144 6 1 1 2 8 D/3H
2002 26 MIN AL 125 466 412 52 112 32 1 20 75 1 2 43 87 .272 .339 .500 .839 120 206 5 3 0 8 0 DH3
2003 27 BOS AL 128 509 448 79 129 39 2 31 101 0 0 58 83 .288 .369 .592 .961 144 265 9 1 0 2 8 D3H MVP-5
2004 28 BOS AL 150 669 582 94 175 47 3 41 139 0 0 75 133 .301 .380 .603 .983 145 351 12 4 0 8 8 *D3/H AS,MVP-4,SS
2005 29 BOS AL 159 713 601 119 180 40 1 47 148 1 0 102 124 .300 .397 .604 1.001 158 363 13 1 0 9 9 *D3/H AS,MVP-2,SS
2006 30 BOS AL 151 686 558 115 160 29 2 54 137 1 0 119 117 .287 .413 .636 1.049 161 355 12 4 0 5 23 *D3/H AS,MVP-3,SS

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Just think where Ortiz was at age 27 if a thread was about him going into the HOF. This thread would be talking Dave Kingman, Adam Dunn, Etc. Members would be saying his defense is lousy, his WAR is lousy, he is 27 and has barely done anything. At 30 Ortiz was beginning to have power seasons and was being noticed. HOF worthy, members still would have said no way.

After being one of the greatest Clutch hitters in Post season history with 0 regular season MVP’s, his bust is located in the Hall Of Fame. Did his performances in the Post Season have any bearing on David Ortiz being a HOF’er. I believe it bumped him over the hump. One caveat then another until voters realized how valuable he was in the most critical opportunities a player dreams about occurring, Post Season huge hits.

LCM1223 · 10-22-2023, 09:59 PM

Mods lock this thread Jesus Christ

hxcmilkshake · 10-22-2023, 10:08 PM

First Reggie, now Ortiz what about Ty Cobb? Pitiful post season #s and no HR power!

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10-22-2023, 03:48 PM	#203
hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,142 hxcmilkshake	Reggie has 10 WS home runs. Wake me when Schwarber approaches that. WS>LCS>LDS>WC Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

10-22-2023, 04:29 PM	#211
whitmm Banned Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Wisc Posts: 11,373	So apparently Kyle Schwarber is Reggie Jackson because he has hit some postseason home runs. In the Bryce Harper thread, he was annointed this generation's Mr October, so he's Reggie Jackson. Let's not stop there. Nick Castellanos has 5 homers this postseason, same has Schwarber, so he must also be Reggie Jackson. Might as well throw Turner in there as well, since he's hitting.455 with 3 hrs. How has team lost any games? Every player is the most clutch to ever play the game

10-22-2023, 09:09 PM	#221
HeritageKing Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5,573	Schwarbs has a third of the at bats Jackson had and almost 45 % of the home runs Jackson had, plus he doesn't strikeout every other at bat like Reggie did.I think they should wave the 5 year wait for Kyle. __________________ #2 Topps Heritage Autograph Collector

10-22-2023, 09:52 PM	#222
Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,295 Stifle	Just think where Ortiz was at age 27 if a thread was about him going into the HOF. This thread would be talking Dave Kingman, Adam Dunn, Etc. Members would be saying his defense is lousy, his WAR is lousy, he is 27 and has barely done anything. At 30 Ortiz was beginning to have power seasons and was being noticed. HOF worthy, members still would have said no way. After being one of the greatest Clutch hitters in Post season history with 0 regular season MVP’s, his bust is located in the Hall Of Fame. Did his performances in the Post Season have any bearing on David Ortiz being a HOF’er. I believe it bumped him over the hump. One caveat then another until voters realized how valuable he was in the most critical opportunities a player dreams about occurring, Post Season huge hits.

10-22-2023, 09:59 PM	#224
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hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,142 hxcmilkshake	First Reggie, now Ortiz what about Ty Cobb? Pitiful post season #s and no HR power! Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk