***Perennial Precious Metal Gems Thread***

[PJ Upper Deck]

This is the best I can do haha

[forest]

Originally Posted by PJ Upper Deck

I'd love to join this thread! How do you guys feel about last year's UD Employee Exclusive PMGs??!


(I'm not quite sure how to add an image of them...lol)

Did you get the Kaprizov Employee Exclusive PMG? A lot of people think that one looks better than his actual PMG

Edit: I see it in the image now, looks awesome. Very interesting card as it technically less rare than his other PMGs (serial numbered /250 vs /100 for the other PMGs), but far less have come up for sale.

[PJ Upper Deck]

Originally Posted by forest

Did you get the Kaprizov Employee Exclusive PMG? A lot of people think that one looks better than his actual PMG

Edit: I see it in the image now, looks awesome. Very interesting card as it technically less rare than his other PMGs (serial numbered /250 vs /100 for the other PMGs), but far less have come up for sale.

Yes I still have the whole set of 6 and yes it's technically less rare being #'d out of 250 but a lot of employees seem to hold onto their cards and the fact that the only way to get one is from an employee I think adds to the value

[daktmacfan]

Originally Posted by PJ Upper Deck

Thank you for the tips! Let’s see if this works! We got these almost exactly a year ago


(Update...it did not lol)

Yeah not all image sharing services support sharing to forums. Your URL needs to be to the actual hosted image including the file name & extension. Google Photos for example does not allow sharing here.

Looking for Binnington card #50 Gold PMG (and yes I suck at taking photos of groups of cards)

[daktmacfan]

Originally Posted by forest

Did you get the Kaprizov Employee Exclusive PMG? A lot of people think that one looks better than his actual PMG

Edit: I see it in the image now, looks awesome. Very interesting card as it technically less rare than his other PMGs (serial numbered /250 vs /100 for the other PMGs), but far less have come up for sale.

I see D&A is selling one of these employee sets in their daily hockey deals.

[PJ Upper Deck]

Originally Posted by daktmacfan

I see D&A is selling one of these employee sets in their daily hockey deals.

I just saw that, asking for a hefty price lol

[forest]

From the most recent NHL Metal set, the 97-98 retro PMGs continue to outsell the base PMGs by a pretty sizable margin, despite having identical rarity. No real logic to it, just supply and demand. More people are collecting the retro insert set compared to base, so prices for the retros are higher.

According to the 21-22 Metal set info (https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...e-hockey-cards), they're bringing back 97-98 retros for another year. Same design, same rarity, probably most of the same players. i.e., there's gonna be very little to separate a Connor McDavid 2020-21 Retro PMG vs. a 2021-22 Retro PMG.

If they keep reusing the 97-98 design for the retros year over year, is there a scenario where the retros fall of favor due to overuse/boredom and the base PMGs get closer to them in value? There are other retro PMG years they could use designs for, but it seems like they just wanna keep doing 97-98.

[JanuaryRains]

Originally Posted by forest

From the most recent NHL Metal set, the 97-98 retro PMGs continue to outsell the base PMGs by a pretty sizable margin, despite having identical rarity. No real logic to it, just supply and demand. More people are collecting the retro insert set compared to base, so prices for the retros are higher.

According to the 21-22 Metal set info (https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...e-hockey-cards), they're bringing back 97-98 retros for another year. Same design, same rarity, probably most of the same players. i.e., there's gonna be very little to separate a Connor McDavid 2020-21 Retro PMG vs. a 2021-22 Retro PMG.

If they keep reusing the 97-98 design for the retros year over year, is there a scenario where the retros fall of favor due to overuse/boredom and the base PMGs get closer to them in value? There are other retro PMG years they could use designs for, but it seems like they just wanna keep doing 97-98.

97/98 is iconic but I think continued printing and production of it with the same players only serves to dilute the values of existing cards. I doubt that's too unpopular of an opinion? I think 12/13 and 20/21 will hold the best value over time though.

I think if the price gaps close between the 97/98 retros vs the base PMGs, it'll be more due to the decline in prices of the 97/98s than an increase in the base PMGs.

[RookieAddict]

Picked up this one last month. Very happy.

[JanuaryRains]

Originally Posted by RookieAddict

Picked up this one last month. Very happy.

Insane! What a crazy pick up, well done!

[JohnnyAppleseed]

Guess I'll add... 007/150 and 2/5.

[SnipeLeafs101]

Originally Posted by forest

From the most recent NHL Metal set, the 97-98 retro PMGs continue to outsell the base PMGs by a pretty sizable margin, despite having identical rarity. No real logic to it, just supply and demand. More people are collecting the retro insert set compared to base, so prices for the retros are higher.

According to the 21-22 Metal set info (https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...e-hockey-cards), they're bringing back 97-98 retros for another year. Same design, same rarity, probably most of the same players. i.e., there's gonna be very little to separate a Connor McDavid 2020-21 Retro PMG vs. a 2021-22 Retro PMG.

If they keep reusing the 97-98 design for the retros year over year, is there a scenario where the retros fall of favor due to overuse/boredom and the base PMGs get closer to them in value? There are other retro PMG years they could use designs for, but it seems like they just wanna keep doing 97-98.

I believe yearly 97-98 Retros will have the opposite effect. They'll be chase cards every year, resulting in more brand recognition/desirability and greater value. The "first" retro for any player will be the most sought after, akin to Kabooms, Galactics, Gold Prizms, Downtowns etc.

If it were a one and done set, or a set done once every 10 years - it would lose its lustre.

Although, from what i've heard 2022 retros will be rookies

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by RookieAddict

Picked up this one last month. Very happy.

WOW

What a card

[k13]

2013-14 look the best, the rest are meh in reality.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by k13

2013-14 look the best, the rest are meh in reality.

I don't really trust UD to not water them down even more. More players, more variations, etc.

[forest]

Originally Posted by Giroux

I don't really trust UD to not water them down even more. More players, more variations, etc.

Both the Base and the Retro only have 299 serial numbered copies each, which isn't terrible when you consider the massive rainbow some other products have. 199 Purple (technically not PMGs) + 90 Red + 10 Green.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by forest

Both the Base and the Retro only have 299 serial numbered copies each, which isn't terrible when you consider the massive rainbow some other products have. 199 Purple (technically not PMGs) + 90 Red + 10 Green.

Yeah it isn't too bad now. Just worries me for the future.

I have a couple more PMGs I'd like to add when I find the right price.

[forest]

It was hard to justify paying massive prices for PMGs when OPC Platinum cards with similar print runs were selling for 1/5th of the price. But since a lot of OPC Platinum has jumped in price, I'm becoming interesting in PMGs again. For example, the Kaprizov OPC Arctic Freeze /99 is a $500 card now apparently - for that price I'd rather pay $400 for the PMG which comes from a much smaller rainbow.

There are some good deals on the unsung veteran HOF bound players too. I got a Josi Red a while back for like $6

[DetroitTN]

Originally Posted by forest

From the most recent NHL Metal set, the 97-98 retro PMGs continue to outsell the base PMGs by a pretty sizable margin, despite having identical rarity. No real logic to it, just supply and demand. More people are collecting the retro insert set compared to base, so prices for the retros are higher.

According to the 21-22 Metal set info (https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...e-hockey-cards), they're bringing back 97-98 retros for another year. Same design, same rarity, probably most of the same players. i.e., there's gonna be very little to separate a Connor McDavid 2020-21 Retro PMG vs. a 2021-22 Retro PMG.

If they keep reusing the 97-98 design for the retros year over year, is there a scenario where the retros fall of favor due to overuse/boredom and the base PMGs get closer to them in value? There are other retro PMG years they could use designs for, but it seems like they just wanna keep doing 97-98.

They shouldn't even bother making any that don't look like the 97-98 set. They were perfect. So many different designs they could re-use and they could easily design more if they wanted to

[avalanchefan21]

Can't believe how much prices have increased on these... love the black diamond cards as well, they are nicer alternative imo

the Jambalayas (& other inserts from ultra) are awesome too

[k13]

Originally Posted by forest

It was hard to justify paying massive prices for PMGs when OPC Platinum cards with similar print runs were selling for 1/5th of the price. But since a lot of OPC Platinum has jumped in price, I'm becoming interesting in PMGs again. For example, the Kaprizov OPC Arctic Freeze /99 is a $500 card now apparently - for that price I'd rather pay $400 for the PMG which comes from a much smaller rainbow.

There are some good deals on the unsung veteran HOF bound players too. I got a Josi Red a while back for like $6

Kaprizov way overpriced.
Makar is only $250

[avalanchefan21]

Originally Posted by k13

Kaprizov way overpriced.
Makar is only $250

this is the way

[forest]

Originally Posted by k13

Kaprizov way overpriced.
Makar is only $250

I won't disagree, but it's hard to compare the two. I collect Kaprizov and I'm looking forward to his prices coming down as much as anyone. But Kaprizov is the face of his franchise's entire 20 year existence, while Makar is just another piece on a team with 3 other players scoring at or near 100 point rates, not to mention the guys like Landeskog or Byram who draw moderate hobby interest. Plus, the Avalanche have already won Cups/have HOFers that people wanna collect, the Wild have nobody of that type. Every single Wild collector collects Kaprizov, not every Avs collector collects Makar.

[k13]

Makar yg sells higher than Kaprizov yg....by a lot.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by k13

Kaprizov way overpriced.

Makar is only $250

The Kap being a rookie doesn't move the needle for you?

I'd rather have the Kaprizov at $400 tbh