✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by here2havefun

Vdm do you still have your higher end Ohtani cards? I know you have (had?) some sweet cards, this sourpuss routine is just so weird.

i believe he had to sell them, which would explain the bitterness

[ScooterD]

Before this season

Originally Posted by Vdm2018

Haven’t been on blowout forums for a while. Decided to sell 5 Ohtani cards soon this week. Haven’t figure out the price yet.

‘19 definitive auto /10
‘18 inception auto /99
‘22 gilded auto /5
‘19 sapphire red /5
‘19 sapphire purple /10





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[Trueblue]

I choose to believe that VDM just appreciates a contrarian approach and he doesn't actually hate on Sho himself. If you are of Asian descent (which VDM is) and hate on Sho, you need to look at the sport 20 years ago and ask yourself without rhetoric what kind of world you want your kids/kin to grow up in. Sure, he's probably at least a little salty selling off cards that have doubled in price, but we all would be. Let him be.

[ThoseBackPages]

Ichiro was pretty good 20 years ago

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Ichiro was pretty good 20 years ago

Have you read his scouting reports? Bias is a very kind and subdued word. I didn't mean 20 to the date, but racial barriers for Asians were present even after Ichiro until Matsui arrived and showed an Asian player can hit for power.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Have you read his scouting reports? Bias is a very kind and subdued word. I didn't mean 20 to the date, but racial barriers for Asians were present even after Ichiro until Matsui arrived and showed an Asian player can hit for power.

oh for sure. its still terrible in 2024

the hobby is extremely racist unfortunately

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

oh for sure. its still terrible in 2024

the hobby is extremely racist unfortunately

100%.


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[Bcr]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i believe he had to sell them, which would explain the bitterness

Well that definitely appears to be the case!

[The_Reverend]

What will a 40/40 season mean to his market? I know he is leasing or is second in the triple crown stats.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

What will a 40/40 season mean to his market? I know he is leasing or is second in the triple crown stats.

Acuna went 41/73 and his cards still went down. A triple crown or world series win would give it a bump IMO.

[Trueblue]

Short term, there will be no meaningful movement until the calendar turns and he's throwing. Plenty of time to collect.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Short term, there will be no meaningful movement until the calendar turns and he's throwing. Plenty of time to collect.

I was thinking MVP or WS win would give his cards at least a little boost! I find it interesting that the only thing that will make his cards go up will be him becoming healthy and throwing.

What if he comes back and he is just an above average pitcher and only puts up a 2 WAR pitching season?

I find it interesting that based on his 10 year contract us Ohtani collectors and not even half way though the journey!

I can't pretend to know what his prices will do in the short term, because in my opinion his low and mid end RC should not have gone down in value especially as he is the MVP leader.

[Mister2Bits]

I added a pair of new Ohtani cards this week.

2023. One shiny chrome gold & one shiny paper foil. One numbered and one not. Same image. What are we?

Cant wait for them to come in.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I was thinking MVP or WS win would give his cards at least a little boost! I find it interesting that the only thing that will make his cards go up will be him becoming healthy and throwing.



What if he comes back and he is just an above average pitcher and only puts up a 2 WAR pitching season?



I find it interesting that based on his 10 year contract us Ohtani collectors and not even half way though the journey!



I can't pretend to know what his prices will do in the short term, because in my opinion his low and mid end RC should not have gone down in value especially as he is the MVP leader.

Every year we see a world series breakout star and see less than 10% movement on card prices. Even worse with MVP (see acuna). Buy the rumor, sell on the news - holds true for the hobby too.

[Hollywood42]

Not a conversation I expect would be allowed to continue very long here, and probably wouldn't be that well received if we're being honest, but important to recognize if nothing more

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

oh for sure. its still terrible in 2024

the hobby is extremely racist unfortunately

[Stringmusic]

I’m so confused on “the hobby is racist”, but there seems to be much agreement on it.

What does that even mean?

[Qubits]

If I was forced to guess what is "priced in" for Ohtani I'd say its this: Best player of his generation.

As far has what specific accolades are included in that? I have no earthly idea.

I'm pretty happy with the collection I picked up from 2022-2023 and I'm not really looking to add anything big right now. I'm also damn sure not looking to sell anything I can't easily replace at a later date.

[boxbuster7]

My problem with Ohtani this year is he has been super inconsistent - His hots have been super hot and his colds have been pretty cold. Where as a guy like Judge has mashed all season.

Don't really remember him being like this last year or the year before. He is still putting up good stats, but it just seems like he is having a good season and not a great one.

[metsandweezer]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

My problem with Ohtani this year is he has been super inconsistent - His hots have been super hot and his colds have been pretty cold. Where as a guy like Judge has mashed all season.

Don't really remember him being like this last year or the year before. He is still putting up good stats, but it just seems like he is having a good season and not a great one.

Judge has mashed all season? Did you see his first 1.5 months of games?

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

My problem with Ohtani this year is he has been super inconsistent - His hots have been super hot and his colds have been pretty cold. Where as a guy like Judge has mashed all season.

Don't really remember him being like this last year or the year before. He is still putting up good stats, but it just seems like he is having a good season and not a great one.

Judge got booed by the home crowd first month in but was great after that.

Ohtani is adjusting to a whole new set of pitchers. He admitted himself that this is really the first time he's optimizing as a hitter and not a slugger. That's why you see all these called third strikes recently. He's tinkering and trying to get better. He's also been very unlucky with his EV/hit outcomes but his babip was high the first couple months so it's just normalizing.

[seanrs1]

Its a good thing I am a long term collector! I know the super high end Ohtani RC are near all time highs...doesn't make a whole lot of sense why low end and mid end RC are down 50% or more from last years peak. I get the high print runs, but the amount they have gone down would seem like the market thinks he is having a bad year...but he is having a MVP year.

It also doesn't make sense to me that all Judge cards, low end, mid end, and high end RC are going up. Many of his low end sell for more than Ohtani. I know his high end are way below Ohtani. So why are Judge RC cards going up compared to Ohtani. Ohtani to me is the clear long term buy over Judge and he is younger.

I guess I just don't understand the baseball card market!

[Qubits]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Its a good thing I am a long term collector! I know the super high end Ohtani RC are near all time highs...doesn't make a whole lot of sense why low end and mid end RC are down 50% or more from last years peak. I get the high print runs, but the amount they have gone down would seem like the market thinks he is having a bad year...but he is having a MVP year.

It also doesn't make sense to me that all Judge cards, low end, mid end, and high end RC are going up. Many of his low end sell for more than Ohtani. I know his high end are way below Ohtani. So why are Judge RC cards going up compared to Ohtani. Ohtani to me is the clear long term buy over Judge and he is younger.

I guess I just don't understand the baseball card market!

I wonder how many Ohtani collectors are consolidating right now and if that is having an impact on low/mid-end prices.

I know I started out in Ohtani buying anything and everything and over time I consolidated into better cards.

On the Judge market, I have no idea about that one as I've never bought a single Judge card. Does he have as many rookies in 2017 products as Ohtani has in 2018? If not, that could explain why those cards hold up a little better.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

My problem with Ohtani this year is he has been super inconsistent - His hots have been super hot and his colds have been pretty cold. Where as a guy like Judge has mashed all season.

Don't really remember him being like this last year or the year before. He is still putting up good stats, but it just seems like he is having a good season and not a great one.

Aaron took April off

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by Qubits

I wonder how many Ohtani collectors are consolidating right now and if that is having an impact on low/mid-end prices.



I know I started out in Ohtani buying anything and everything and over time I consolidated into better cards.



On the Judge market, I have no idea about that one as I've never bought a single Judge card. Does he have as many rookies in 2017 products as Ohtani has in 2018? If not, that could explain why those cards hold up a little better.

There's definitely a lot of people trying to trade up or do cash+trade. It's obnoxious how many people message me for this on eBay.

[boxbuster7]

For the 3 people who pointed out that Judge sucked in April

He has been so good the rest of the season I honestly forgot