Patrick Mahomes Prices

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by MikawlBBC

Lots of good points, probably worse case scenario for us Mahomes holders. Out of all the games I've watched him play, he probably took the biggest hit I've seen as well.

Wish there weren't 3 damn drops by the receivers including his side arm hurl as he was falling to the ground. The bad omen and distractions with Reid's son and the COVID scares had to play a role as well.

Agree. Mahomes himself admitted that this is the worst he has been beaten in a long time.

[JeremyNick]

This is going to be the Mahomes ride. His prices are based on him having a Brady-like career.

There is no guarantee he doesn’t end his career with one SB. That’s the game you are playing with him.

[johnashleyjacob]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

He would have balled out if you (yes, you) threw down .0001% of your patty profits but here we are

I have donated. But, your post is not called for. Mahomes and the rest of the chiefs did not do this. One selfish person, put it on all of them. I hope he gets jailed for a long time.


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[Spartyon]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Agree. Mahomes himself admitted that this is the worst he has been beaten in a long time.

I think it came down to the O-line. He had 0 time to go through progressions. Maybe 1 second in the best scenarios. Too much shuffling around there this week to play a stout defensive line.


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[KhalDrogo]

Always weird to me when fans of other teams and players come in these threads to lecture us.

[johnashleyjacob]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Always weird to me when fans of other teams and players come in these threads to lecture us.

We all know there is no way they are real Tampa fans...

Meaning their team wasn’t in the SB at all.


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[Supersuper]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

NT RPA BGS 9.5 is currently at 240K with buyers premium

https://goldinauctions.com/mobile/Lo...entoryid=77393

I wonder what that person felt to pay 870k on mahomes card

[Spartyon]

Originally Posted by MikawlBBC

Lots of good points, probably worse case scenario for us Mahomes holders. Out of all the games I've watched him play, he probably took the biggest hit I've seen as well. Fantasy land for person that thinks Mahomes cards only drop 5%. They would have dropped 5-10% WITH a SB win.

Wish there weren't 3 damn drops by the receivers including his side arm hurl as he was falling to the ground. The bad omen and distractions with Reid's son and the COVID scares had to play a role as well.

Agreed, a lot went up 50-100% in the last 3 weeks. Why would it only come down 5% here. I’ll be picking my spots to add some things to the collection. But I’d like to see a new floor established


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[MikawlBBC]

Originally Posted by Spartyon

Agreed, a lot went up 50-100% in the last 3 weeks. Why would it only come down 5% here. I’ll be picking my spots to add some things to the collection. But I’d like to see a new floor established


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I meant, fantasy land to think it's ONLY 5%... I'd be happy with only 33% drop.

[Spartyon]

Originally Posted by MikawlBBC

I meant, fantasy land to think it's ONLY 5%... I'd be happy with only 33% drop.

Yeah I’m with you, from current levels, I can see that. Think basically it will wipe out the gains we saw for the past 4 weeks.


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[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

This is going to be the Mahomes ride. His prices are based on him having a Brady-like career.

There is no guarantee he doesn’t end his career with one SB. That’s the game you are playing with him.

Mahomes is still the only young QB you can logically back if you’re looking for long term appreciation from cards. There’s always a risk vs. reward proposition, but Mahomes has the least amount of foreseeable risk with the highest amount of foreseeable reward.

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

Mahomes will be retired before his contract is over, a lot of injuries, reminds me of Steve Young with the injuries.

I thought he reminded you of Brett Favre?

Which is it?

[MikawlBBC]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Mahomes is still the only young QB you can logically back if you’re looking for long term appreciation from cards. There’s always a risk vs. reward proposition, but Mahomes has the least amount of foreseeable risk with the highest amount of foreseeable reward.

So hard to win in the NFL, and always the risk of career altering injuries. Also was showcased how important injuries to key teammates impacts NFL as well... For me, injuries mean more in NFL than any other team sport.

[kellmuff]

Originally Posted by Spartyon

I think it came down to the O-line. He had 0 time to go through progressions. Maybe 1 second in the best scenarios. Too much shuffling around there this week to play a stout defensive line.


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The fact he was only sacked twice yesterday speaks to how good his escapability is. Imagine how many times Brady would have been sacked if the roles were reversed. 10+?

[mwash1983]

Originally Posted by Whodatiz

I thought he reminded you of Brett Favre?

Which is it?

It is Favre.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by MikawlBBC

So hard to win in the NFL, and always the risk of career altering injuries. Also was showcased how important injuries to key teammates impacts NFL as well... For me, injuries mean more in NFL than any other team sport.

That’s the risk with ANY football player though. Not saying it’s not valid, but if we’re worried about injuries then by proxy no money should be spent on any player who hasn’t retired.

I said it last night, I’ll be buying Mahomes this off-season. I don’t collect football anymore (stopped after the 2014 Chrome debacle). I’m very very risk adverse.

How many guys like me are out there? Probably a lot.

[mwash1983]

Originally Posted by kellmuff

The fact he was only sacked twice yesterday speaks to how good his escapability is. Imagine how many times Brady would have been sacked if the roles were reversed. 10+?

Nope, he would have carefully dumped off short passes to his backs and tight ends, Mahomes kept looking for the deep ball wasn’t there, I noticed he didn’t throw to his backs to keep the ball moving.

[MikawlBBC]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

That’s the risk with ANY football player though. Not saying it’s not valid, but if we’re worried about injuries then by proxy no money should be spent on any player who hasn’t retired.

I said it last night, I’ll be buying Mahomes this off-season. I don’t collect football anymore (stopped after the 2014 Chrome debacle). I’m very very risk adverse.

How many guys like me are out there? Probably a lot.

Definitely is the risk of FB, and the reason why I hate investing in FB. I personally would only invest in QBs in NFL and at the moment, only really have Mahomes. Mahomes is HOF material but The GOAT debate is dead for the foreseeable future.

I will be more apt to sell the next Mahomes peak.

[kellmuff]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

Nope, he would have carefully dumped off short passes to his backs and tight ends, Mahomes kept looking for the deep ball wasn’t there, I noticed he didn’t throw to his backs to keep the ball moving.

on a few plays yes, but you're either a Mahomes hater or a Brady nuthugger if you think he's taking fewer than 6 or 7 sacks yesterday if he was behind that line.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Mahomes is still the only young QB you can logically back if you’re looking for long term appreciation from cards. There’s always a risk vs. reward proposition, but Mahomes has the least amount of foreseeable risk with the highest amount of foreseeable reward.

At his prices I would consider him to be high risk/high reward.

If he has a Brady like career, high reward. However only one player has had a Brady like career.

I’m not sure what you are basing your least amount of risk on, but his prices are too high to say he has less risk than anyone else.

I think it’s an interesting discussion though. What metrics are you looking at to determine your risk?

[KhalDrogo]

Football guys don’t know who they’re dealing with in mwash. He is the original troll of the boards.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

At his prices I would consider him to be high risk/high reward.

If he has a Brady like career, high reward. However only one player has had a Brady like career.

I’m not sure what you are basing your least amount of risk on, but his prices are too high to say he has less risk than anyone else.

I think it’s an interesting discussion though. What metrics are you looking at to determine your risk?

Career outlook.

Brady's level is revered at this point. It's the level of attainment all QBs should strive for. It's almost an impossible task for a QB to hit the Brady level. Mahomes is the only QB in the league who has a shot at it.

34 playoff wins for Brady. That's 1.7 a season.
6 for Mahomes. That's 1.5 a season.

83 playoff TDs for Brady. That's 4.15 a season.
17 for Mahomes. That's 4.25 a season.

12,449 playoff passing yards for Brady. That's 622.45 a season.
2,324 for Mahomes. That's 581 a season.

7 Super Bowls for Brady. That's 0.35 a season.
1 Super Bowl for Mahomes. That's 0.25 a season.

Essentially for records that Brady has set, Mahomes is on pace to be neck and neck with Brady assuming health. I'm not saying he ever reaches Brady (his cards aren't the price of Brady either, mind you), but he definitely has laid the foundation to reach the Brady tier which no other QB has come close to. Even if he fails to pass Brady and ends up as GOAT Jr. (Lebron to MJ) that's still a ridiculous ceiling for his card prices. He has shown no sign that he will not reach that level either, and only signs that he will.

[SaintsFan4Life]

KC played a very bad game all around. They made no adjustments during the game.
Mahomes still threw passes not many QB’s could have. Even though many of his passes weren’t turning to catches. They were pretty darn close to his teammates who had a chance of making the catch. Flippers might panic and some people who need cash out on their investments quickly will drive down prices on most of his cards. I don’t think his super rare cards will take a big hit. His cards already had multiple SB’s priced in them.
Time for his market to correct itself some.

[Derekbauer]

Not sure it’s being said enough but the play calling was not good. Two high safeties all game.

They ran 69 plays. Only 12 of them were actually called runs when you take out sacks and Mahomes rushes.

At some point you have to take what they’re giving you. Especially when your QB is running for his life

[ejs23]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Career outlook.

Brady's level is revered at this point. It's the level of attainment all QBs should strive for. It's almost an impossible task for a QB to hit the Brady level. Mahomes is the only QB in the league who has a shot at it.

34 playoff wins for Brady. That's 1.7 a season.
6 for Mahomes. That's 1.5 a season.

83 playoff TDs for Brady. That's 4.15 a season.
17 for Mahomes. That's 4.25 a season.

12,449 playoff passing yards for Brady. That's 622.45 a season.
2,324 for Mahomes. That's 581 a season.

7 Super Bowls for Brady. That's 0.35 a season.
1 Super Bowl for Mahomes. That's 0.25 a season.

Essentially for records that Brady has set, Mahomes is on pace to be neck and neck with Brady assuming health. I'm not saying he ever reaches Brady (his cards aren't the price of Brady either, mind you), but he definitely has laid the foundation to reach the Brady tier which no other QB has come close to. Even if he fails to pass Brady and ends up as GOAT Jr. (Lebron to MJ) that's still a ridiculous ceiling for his card prices. He has shown no sign that he will not reach that level either, and only signs that he will.

Sorry, but a few good seasons is skewing Mahomes upwards. Check back in 5 or 6 years.... will he have that kind of consistency? Unlikely.