Skybox 2024 1992 MM Platinum

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by orion9578

I didn't see any at CGC or SGC(both COMC options at the time the set was out). I didn't even think to look at BGS...but you're right, there is 1 graded.

It looks like someone graded the whole set...perhaps the one that sold on eBay? Or one someone sent in themselves from ePack.



Also, meandsharon11, I saw this one on there:



Lastly, 3 Green PMG's and randomly(or not so randomly...), 2 of them are Venoms:



Interesting!

I saw that one had been pulled, but I didn’t know it was graded. Probably went for more than I would pay anyway. If I can get the 2 emerald surge I will be happy with that.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by orion9578

I didn't see any at CGC or SGC(both COMC options at the time the set was out). I didn't even think to look at BGS...but you're right, there is 1 graded.

It looks like someone graded the whole set...perhaps the one that sold on eBay? Or one someone sent in themselves from ePack.



Also, meandsharon11, I saw this one on there:



Lastly, 3 Green PMG's and randomly(or not so randomly...), 2 of them are Venoms:



Interesting!

Good find on the BGS…..that would be an extra Spidey canceling out spaceman’s double-counted one so looks like 6 accounted for. I do like /10 estimate a lot…it’s probably either that or even a tad over. Also…wow what a set that person graded…the top 4, Thanos through Spider-Man, all 9.5 Gem Mint! A couple of those for mine were off center…I wouldn’t get gems on all of them like that…but not a huge stickler about condition and more just for a set.

The vip black set I saw on eBay a few months ago Im not able to find on terapeak for whatever reason- but it was a raw set (at the time) I do know that. Of course maybe the person then graded it with BGS after, hard to say. Or maybe the BGS is just a totally different set.

Interesting. Also it seems like the Wolverine and venom almost seem as scarce if not more scarce than the Spidey but I know that’s not possible as they have to be at least the Spidey’s number.

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Good find on the BGS…..that would be an extra Spidey canceling out spaceman’s double-counted one so looks like 6 accounted for. I do like /10 estimate a lot…it’s probably either that or even a tad over. Also…wow what a set that person graded…the top 4, Thanos through Spider-Man, all 9.5 Gem Mint! A couple of those for mine were off center…I wouldn’t get gems on all of them like that…but not a huge stickler about condition and more just for a set.

The vip black set I saw on eBay a few months ago Im not able to find on terapeak for whatever reason- but it was a raw set (at the time) I do know that. Of course maybe the person then graded it with BGS after, hard to say. Or maybe the BGS is just a totally different set.

Interesting. Also it seems like the Wolverine and venom almost seem as scarce if not more scarce than the Spidey but I know that’s not possible as they have to be at least the Spidey’s number.

I think some of the people that get the Wolverine or Venom will keep them since those 2 in particular are probably in the top 3 for most well known and collected. To think about it, I have seen as little or less of Wolverine than spider-man or venom. I have noticed that a larger % of buyers/rippers in non sports are true collectors and hold on to their cards, as opposed to sports collectors.

[DynaEtch]

I would say there is probably some truth to that, in terms of sports vs non-sports granted there still are plenty of sports collectors out there no doubt, between vintage, player collectors, team collectors, and like Topps set collectors- particularly in baseball more so than the other sports it seems. But ultra modern though…I’d also wager there arent as many sports collectors as one would think.

[DynaEtch]

The last card just came in today for this set. Perhaps the “unsexiest” of harder to build sets in 92MM Platinum?

Wood set 100/100







Definitely not the most thrilling set, considering from that first pic, who can even tell it’s a wood set vs canvas/leather. But they were somewhat tough pulls at 1:72 hobby packs (none in blasters).

[TimBuckTwo]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

The last card just came in today for this set. Perhaps the “unsexiest” of harder to build sets in 92MM Platinum?

Wood set 100/100







Definitely not the most thrilling set, considering from that first pic, who can even tell it’s a wood set vs canvas/leather. But they were somewhat tough pulls at 1:72 hobby packs (none in blasters).

Yes tough set to put together. Nice going ! Plenty of upside potential here I think.

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Yes tough set to put together. Nice going ! Plenty of upside potential here I think.

I fully agree with this.

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I would say there is probably some truth to that, in terms of sports vs non-sports granted there still are plenty of sports collectors out there no doubt, between vintage, player collectors, team collectors, and like Topps set collectors- particularly in baseball more so than the other sports it seems. But ultra modern though…I’d also wager there arent as many sports collectors as one would think.

I definitely think the percentage of collectors in sports is far fewer than the recent past. I think the biggest difference is sports cards are far more saturated in the market. There is so much more product in sports, so it’s easier for even a collector to let something go since there is so much out there, and its similarity to other products. For mm ‘92 if you get a nice card of any character your only chance to get another like it is only going to be in 2-3 products. This isn’t nearly as easy to replace with the same or similar cards as is the case with sports. If I pulled anything decent of Wolverine it would be mine forever, simply because of the fact that I know it isn’t easily replaced.


I would bet that’s a strong factor to why we don’t see as much of the top characters hitting the market.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by meandsharon11

I definitely think the percentage of collectors in sports is far fewer than the recent past. I think the biggest difference is sports cards are far more saturated in the market. There is so much more product in sports, so it’s easier for even a collector to let something go since there is so much out there, and its similarity to other products. For mm ‘92 if you get a nice card of any character your only chance to get another like it is only going to be in 2-3 products. This isn’t nearly as easy to replace with the same or similar cards as is the case with sports. If I pulled anything decent of Wolverine it would be mine forever, simply because of the fact that I know it isn’t easily replaced.

I would bet that’s a strong factor to why we don’t see as much of the top characters hitting the market.

Very true…like half a zillion products a year in sports. I wouldnt be able to keep up either all that ultra modern. I look at something like 92MM platinum and it’s basically just this one-off chrome set. Something to collect for years and years. If this was sports (or even Topps marvel), there would be a new iteration every year.

Also the pandemic boom drastically changed the sports cards landscape to the point ultra modern is utterly flip/gamble/breaking now vs collecting. Ultra modern always kinda was, but after the pandemic craziness, more so than ever now.

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Yes tough set to put together. Nice going ! Plenty of upside potential here I think.

Thanks- right now there are bargains to be found with the woods. It’s surprising, many of them are quite affordable. Plenty lower tier characters less than $10, even the better characters can often be had for less than $30 or so, with only a few (Spidey, Wolverine, Venom, Psylocke) going for significantly more.

I do think the no-serial number hurts them…Based on print run estimates, the estimate of the woods are about /290, which sounds like a lot but compared to most parallels in 92MM not all that much. It’s also about the exact same as the red prism variants, which are /292 (but actually numbered).

[DynaEtch]

A couple gem pickups. The Beast is the alpha 01/92. The Iron man is an example of the challenge with the purple vc’s. Knocking off each next one is become super hard to do. There’s so few purple vc’s hitting the market anymore.

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

A couple gem pickups. The Beast is the alpha 01/92. The Iron man is an example of the challenge with the purple vc’s. Knocking off each next one is become super hard to do. There’s so few purple vc’s hitting the market anymore.

Those are 2 really nice pick ups!

[orion9578]

Sweet 10's Dyna. Alpha Beast is a great card, but that Iron Man is...super great?

[DynaEtch]

I agree the Iron Man has gotta be one of the better looking purple variant covers.

Both of these are going away from the CGC-themed set I’m basing things around…but for a PSA 10 I’ll make an exception

[meandsharon11]

So I was revisiting the conundrum of what the hobby print run is, and this is what I came up with.

This excludes retail.




I approached it like this. There are 2 pmg cards per case on average. Most have 2, and I have seen 2-3 that have only 1 an one case that had 3 in it. Doing the math that way it works out to 8050 hobby cases exactly. 50 would have been used for e pack,(which would explain why it sold out so fast) leaving the remaining 8000 in the market.


I was looking for the most consistent number I could find per case with numbered cards. Total pmg’s 16,100 divided by 2 per case is 8050 ( 50 cases is 10,800 packs, or 900 boxes for e pack which seems plausible).


This also is consistent with the total number of numbered cards since on average there are 2 numbered cards per box. Making it 36 numbered cards per case. Also consistent with your original math of 9700 x 30 is 291,000. Also 291,000 / 8000 is just over 36 which would make it 2 numbered cards per box.

I took it one step further and took 291,000 total numbered cards minus the 2500 purple crystal vc and that comes out to 288,500. 288,500 / 8000 = 36.0625 on average per hobby case.



This is obviously working with estimates, and there seems to be slightly more in the numbers than what is seen in the cases, and that variance belongs to the 50 e pack cases. This would mean the odds of pulling a good card from e pack was noticeably better than the boxes, which from what I have seen is also consistent with actual results.


Metallurgy /80

Wood /249

Plexi /499

Holofoil /749





Please let me know if this seems realistic, or if I am off and missing something.

Thanks for reading my thoughts.

[meandsharon11]

We can also use this method:


There is 1 pink laser per box, and maybe 2 boxes per case has 2, so on average 20 pink laser per case. 99200 + 69200 =168,400. 168,400 / 20 = 8420 cases. This is probably as close as the numbers will calculate, and keeping in mind some went to e pack.


By calculation the hobby case count is somewhere in the low 8000’s.

[meandsharon11]

Or 3rd option:

Upper Deck wanted to be consistent with the theme and made 9200 cases ��

[MarsAttacks]

I finally sent this in after pulling it from epack. I’m obviously happy with the grade. I am also surprised at how few have been graded with PSA. Out of 92 printed, there are just 3 in 10 and a handful lower. Just thought there would be more graded. I have a few other ‘92 Platinum with PSA that I will share when back in a couple months. I also have a compete Kaleidoscope set with dupes of many to grade. Haven’t sent those in yet but would love a graded set!

Spider-Man Seismic Gold PSA 10

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by MarsAttacks

I finally sent this in after pulling it from epack. I’m obviously happy with the grade. I am also surprised at how few have been graded with PSA. Out of 92 printed, there are just 3 in 10 and a handful lower. Just thought there would be more graded. I have a few other ‘92 Platinum with PSA that I will share when back in a couple months. I also have a compete Kaleidoscope set with dupes of many to grade. Haven’t sent those in yet but would love a graded set!

Spider-Man Seismic Gold PSA 10

Geez that is QUITE the card. It basically doesn’t get much better than that

My Spidey seismic gold was graded with CGC- came back a 9.5, so not gem mint, I think because the centering. I too am surprised there arent more graded, but then again the print run is so vast and I suspect plenty are still buried away in wax.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by meandsharon11

So I was revisiting the conundrum of what the hobby print run is, and this is what I came up with.

This excludes retail.

I approached it like this. There are 2 pmg cards per case on average. Most have 2, and I have seen 2-3 that have only 1 an one case that had 3 in it. Doing the math that way it works out to 8050 hobby cases exactly. 50 would have been used for e pack,(which would explain why it sold out so fast) leaving the remaining 8000 in the market.


I was looking for the most consistent number I could find per case with numbered cards. Total pmg’s 16,100 divided by 2 per case is 8050 ( 50 cases is 10,800 packs, or 900 boxes for e pack which seems plausible).


This also is consistent with the total number of numbered cards since on average there are 2 numbered cards per box. Making it 36 numbered cards per case. Also consistent with your original math of 9700 x 30 is 291,000. Also 291,000 / 8000 is just over 36 which would make it 2 numbered cards per box.

I took it one step further and took 291,000 total numbered cards minus the 2500 purple crystal vc and that comes out to 288,500. 288,500 / 8000 = 36.0625 on average per hobby case.



This is obviously working with estimates, and there seems to be slightly more in the numbers than what is seen in the cases, and that variance belongs to the 50 e pack cases. This would mean the odds of pulling a good card from e pack was noticeably better than the boxes, which from what I have seen is also consistent with actual results.


Metallurgy /80

Wood /249

Plexi /499

Holofoil /749





Please let me know if this seems realistic, or if I am off and missing something.

Thanks for reading my thoughts.

I’m still going with around 9600-ish cases based on the 30 numbered per hobby case on average. But hey I could be wrong

Whether it was 8000 or 9600 18-box cases….this print run was huuuge. Which I kinda like, keeping prices down on wax.

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by MarsAttacks

I finally sent this in after pulling it from epack. I’m obviously happy with the grade. I am also surprised at how few have been graded with PSA. Out of 92 printed, there are just 3 in 10 and a handful lower. Just thought there would be more graded. I have a few other ‘92 Platinum with PSA that I will share when back in a couple months. I also have a compete Kaleidoscope set with dupes of many to grade. Haven’t sent those in yet but would love a graded set!

Spider-Man Seismic Gold PSA 10

Oh my my my that looks expensive! Such a beauty!

[MM92]

Originally Posted by MarsAttacks

Spider-Man Seismic Gold PSA 10

Beautiful card Mars!! I love how the gold shimmers on these cards and to have Spidey on top of it…..

I’m sure most of us here love pulling a Spidey card and it’s a lower odds parallel. Even if you already have one

[meandsharon11]

Dormammu cards have gone dry so I’m going to start a new rainbow.


I’m going with Strong Guy on this one. I like the art, and the biggest point is the purple vc and other low #d cards are available.

[MM92]

Originally Posted by meandsharon11

Dormammu cards have gone dry so I’m going to start a new rainbow.


I’m going with Strong Guy on this one. I like the art, and the biggest point is the purple vc and other low #d cards are available.

And hey you never know what will turn up for Dormammu while you’re chasing Strong Guy

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by meandsharon11

Dormammu cards have gone dry so I’m going to start a new rainbow.


I’m going with Strong Guy on this one. I like the art, and the biggest point is the purple vc and other low #d cards are available.

I like this idea of a rainbow of scouting out what harder ones might be available off the bat. Good luck on the strong guy! Always thought he was an interesting character, and shouldnt be too pricey.

[Vecchio1]

Anyone else notice, blasters of any kind no longer available at Dave and Adams.