Westbrook in straight beast mode again...

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by scnation

The reason the bigs let him get the rebound is so they can immediately get out in transition. Because the have pretty bad offensive players besides RWB, they push the pace and play less half-court offense.
Also, lots of people said he was looking for assists later in game to get the TDB... the guy was shooting terribly, of course he's gonna shoot less and look to set up teammates more.

I'm sorry dude, but that is BS. An outlet pass to Westbrook at half court is quicker than him rebounding the ball under the hoop and pushing it up.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by bulljh

I'm sorry dude, but that is BS. An outlet pass to Westbrook at half court is quicker than him rebounding the ball under the hoop and pushing it up.

No, no it isnt.

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by cnewby

No, no it isnt.

Ahh...so in your delusional head, Westbrook can out run an outlet passed to half court. Interesting.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by bulljh

Ahh...so in your delusional head, Westbrook can out run an outlet passed to half court. Interesting.

Living in a vaccuum sounds fun. Keep it classy, California.

Westbrook getting the ball in his hands as fast as possible is always going to be best for this Thunder team. You act as if the opposing tean always lets WB run free down the court at change of posession. Not to mention the big that is now in the backcourt creating a 4 on 5 situation.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Living in a vaccuum sounds fun. Keep it classy, California.

Westbrook getting the ball in his hands as fast as possible is always going to be best for this Thunder team. You act as if the opposing tean always lets WB run free down the court at change of posession. Not to mention the big that is now in the backcourt creating a 4 on 5 situation.

Ninjacookies did a good job explaining this as well in one of his posts..it makes sense

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Ninjacookies did a good job explaining this as well in one of his posts..it makes sense

It makes sense to you because you're ok with him hanging out in the key on defense when he should be guarding his man on the perimeter. It's a plausible excuse for his lack of defense.

[adavis3232]

Originally Posted by bulljh

I'm sorry dude, but that is BS. An outlet pass to Westbrook at half court is quicker than him rebounding the ball under the hoop and pushing it up.

I am curious......have you ever played basketball? Also do you see very many fast breaking teams that rebound the ball and smoothly pass it to their PG at half court to start the break on a consistent basis? I would also like to add that all of the Westbrook haters constantly bash on his usage rate being the highest in NBA history as a bad thing. Maybe it's just me but why wouldn't you want to use your best player a lot? They also forget to mention that he is the league leaders in player efficiently rating. The next thing they wanna bring up is the high number of turnovers. That might be a valid argument if the guy they think should win MVP (Harden) wasn't 1st in turnovers. Honestly I feel like the whole triple double average is all people want to talk about, but if you watch the actual games instead of just looking at the numbers you will see how truly dominant Westbrook has been. Harden has been great so I certainly don't want to take anything away from him, but I feel like Russ has had a historic season and deserves the award. I would also like to add that one of the things that really appeals to me about Russ and Harden is their stance on taking games off for "rest". Being their every single night matters to me.

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Living in a vaccuum sounds fun. Keep it classy, California.

Westbrook getting the ball in his hands as fast as possible is always going to be best for this Thunder team. You act as if the opposing tean always lets WB run free down the court at change of posession. Not to mention the big that is now in the backcourt creating a 4 on 5 situation.

Yes, you clearly are the definition of class. My bad

The big is always going to be back if there is a fast break lol. You never played, did you?

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by adavis3232

I am curious......have you ever played basketball? Also do you see very many fast breaking teams that rebound the ball and smoothly pass it to their PG at half court to start the break on a consistent basis? I would also like to add that all of the Westbrook haters constantly bash on his usage rate being the highest in NBA history as a bad thing. Maybe it's just me but why wouldn't you want to use your best player a lot? They also forget to mention that he is the league leaders in player efficiently rating. The next thing they wanna bring up is the high number of turnovers. That might be a valid argument if the guy they think should win MVP (Harden) wasn't 1st in turnovers. Honestly I feel like the whole triple double average is all people want to talk about, but if you watch the actual games instead of just looking at the numbers you will see how truly dominant Westbrook has been. Harden has been great so I certainly don't want to take anything away from him, but I feel like Russ has had a historic season and deserves the award. I would also like to add that one of the things that really appeals to me about Russ and Harden is their stance on taking games off for "rest". Being their every single night matters to me.

Actually yes, I did play ball...in high school and in the military. The majority of the time I had an outlet pass to my pg, we scored on a fast break. Plus I watch the Warriors do night in and night out. It's called fundamentals.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Ninjacookies did a good job explaining this as well in one of his posts..it makes sense

Yup. Looks like another warriors fan (ironic I know) needs to learn a few things.

[Orangejello727]

League-wide trends, missed free throws fuel Westbrook's rebounding numbers - NBA.com

In total, Westbrook leads the league with 8.6 uncontested rebounds per game, according to SportVU. Only 20.2 percent of his rebounds have been contested, the third lowest rate among 107 players who have averaged at least 5.0 boards per game. Harden's 21.6 percent is the sixth lowest rate.

What Westbrook has done has been historical. There's no doubting his value to the Thunder (who have been 12.6 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor than they've been with him off the floor) and he's about to be the first player in 55 years to average a triple-double over a full season. But in registering 10.7 rebounds per game, he has had some help from a couple of league-wide trends and from teammates willing to sacrifice their own numbers.

[bulljh]

Look, I'm not denying that he will most likely get MVP, especially after Harden's brief injury. I guess I'm just hoping that one of you Westbrook fans will admit that your boy has been stat padding all season. Not just this last game, but all season.

[adavis3232]

Originally Posted by bulljh

Look, I'm not denying that he will most likely get MVP, especially after Harden's brief injury. I guess I'm just hoping that one of you Westbrook fans will admit that your boy has been stat padding all season. Not just this last game, but all season.

I believe the Thunder are 32-9 when Russ has a triple double and 13-25 in games that he doesn't have a triple double so if he is hunting for stats I say hunt away. Sounds like he has hunted for wins to me.......

[realreodeal]

Originally Posted by bulljh

Look, I'm not denying that he will most likely get MVP, especially after Harden's brief injury. I guess I'm just hoping that one of you Westbrook fans will admit that your boy has been stat padding all season. Not just this last game, but all season.

Yes, he pads his stats. He tries to score on you, will get the rebound over you and will pass it to an open teammate for an assist all In One possession. And this may happen over and over within a game. Once the 4th starts he turns into another player and has the most clutch points this year in crunch time.

So yes he pads his stats like no other because he tries EVERY Possession and actually cares about winning..... but that's just what I have Witnessed.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by realreodeal

Yes, he pads his stats. He tries to score on you, will get the rebound over you and will pass it to an open teammate for an assist all In One possession. And this may happen over and over within a game. Once the 4th starts he turns into another player and has the most clutch points this year in crunch time.

So yes he pads his stats like no other because he tries EVERY Possession and actually cares about winning..... but that's just what I have Witnessed.

Huh? He went like 5 games without an offensive rebound, is averaging the same amount as he usually does, but is getting three more defensive rebounds per game, most of which are uncontested and when he's nowhere near his man. So he's not 'rebounding over you', like he's some magical rebound beast, he's doing what he usually does but with everybody letting him get open defensive rebounds.
Now time to randomly bring Harden into this convo...

[tjforce]

This thread is off the rails....

Time to get back to talking basketball

Lets see how todays game goes as Russ goes for 42

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by realreodeal

Yes, he pads his stats. He tries to score on you, will get the rebound over you and will pass it to an open teammate for an assist all In One possession. And this may happen over and over within a game. Once the 4th starts he turns into another player and has the most clutch points this year in crunch time.

So yes he pads his stats like no other because he tries EVERY Possession and actually cares about winning..... but that's just what I have Witnessed.

Apparently he doesn't get the rebound over you. That's what leading the league in uncontested rebounds means!

Well there were a couple times I saw Westbrook sitting on the bench because the Warriors were killing them. They played 4 games against each other this season and Westbrook sat 2 full forth quarters. In the ones he did play, he had 10 points total. Not exactly being clutch, at least not against the Warriors.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by bulljh

Apparently he doesn't get the rebound over you. That's what leading the league in uncontested rebounds means!

Well there were a couple times I saw Westbrook sitting on the bench because the Warriors were killing them. They played 4 games against each other this season and Westbrook sat 2 full forth quarters. In the ones he did play, he had 10 points total. Not exactly being clutch, at least not against the Warriors.

Although I admit..the Warriors are the one team that has had his number all season and unfortunately I think it's partly because Russ lets them get into his head more than others team because of the history there..you can't ignore his clutchness in many games he's had over the season...including one just Wednesday night against the Grizzlies.

[gameissued]

That stat is way over rated. When commentators are say "Russell Westbrook NEEDS a triple double in order for the them to win" seriously is just ignorant. He can have 30, 8, and 8 and it will be the same result.

He doesn't HAVE to have a triple double. Teamates are just handing him the rebounds. Then if they team's winnging by 25pts but the coach sees he has 30, 8, and 8, he's gonna remain in the game until 30, 10, and 10 happens.

Originally Posted by adavis3232

I believe the Thunder are 32-9 when Russ has a triple double and 13-25 in games that he doesn't have a triple double so if he is hunting for stats I say hunt away. Sounds like he has hunted for wins to me.......

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by gameissued

That stat is way over rated. When commentators are say "Russell Westbrook NEEDS a triple double in order for the them to win" seriously is just ignorant. He can have 30, 8, and 8 and it will be the same result.

He doesn't HAVE to have a triple double. Teamates are just handing him the rebounds. Then if they team's winnging by 25pts but the coach sees he has 30, 8, and 8, he's gonna remain in the game until 30, 10, and 10 happens.

That's not what has happened at all this year.

You are just making things up.

Anyways, 6/5/3 in the first QTR today. Good start.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by gameissued

That stat is way over rated. When commentators are say "Russell Westbrook NEEDS a triple double in order for the them to win" seriously is just ignorant. He can have 30, 8, and 8 and it will be the same result.

He doesn't HAVE to have a triple double. Teamates are just handing him the rebounds. Then if they team's winnging by 25pts but the coach sees he has 30, 8, and 8, he's gonna remain in the game until 30, 10, and 10 happens.

LOL..how many games have the Thunder won by 20 or more? And in those games you know what I remember? Russ having his triple double by the 3rd and resting the entire 4th

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Chris P

LOL..how many games have the Thunder won by 20 or more? And in those games you know what I remember? Russ having his triple double by the 3rd and resting the entire 4th

Stop taking the bait..... Russ has done something historic and the trolls are just grasping at straws. He could average 50/20/20 and lead the team to the title, it wouldn't be enough for some people.

Focus on this competitive game vs the Nuggets instead

[oldgoldy97]

Which one of you is Cuban?

[cnewby]

Dont think hes going to be denied today, just hope they can get the W as well.

[tjforce]

Unreal first half 23/12/6