🏈 🏈 🏈 2024 EVERYTHING COLLEGE FOOTBALL Utopian Discussion Thread 🏈 🏈 🏈

[therealcjc33]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

I do not accept the premise that the PC selects teams based on revenue. I may disagree with them, but I believe they are doing their best to make selections in good faith.

I think there is a degree of making selections in good faith but they also don't want to have another blowout game lol.

[therealcjc33]

Originally Posted by mc1

Any team from the ACC and Big XII will have to win out to get in. Wont really matter how far they fall.



Its possible Alabama makes the SEC CCG. Wouldnt assume Tenn wins at Vandy. If they do and dont make the SECCG and end up with two losses.

Does Alabama get in with an SEC CG loss? Maybe not!

Bama absolutely does not get in with a loss in the SECCG. No way.

[atoaz12]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

So..move Bama up of course over Tennessee because they beat down a Mercer team...even though their 2 losses are to 4 loss unranked Vandy and...Tennessee..who "clearly weren't a #7 team to begin with"..

Solid reasoning

Was thinking the same thing!

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

S-E-C! S-E-C! S-E-C!

That said, it is probably the case that THIS season the SEC is marginally stronger top to bottom than the B1G.

Marginally better...
You guys pound SEC bias on the regular
Not sure what is worse... SEC bias or BIG 18 delusion

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Oh absolutely the SEC is stronger top to bottom than the Big 10 this year, but we are talking playoffs here. Right now I think each conference deserves 4 schools, and if OSU beats Indiana, I will still feel that way.

Can you explain how Penn State deserves to be in over a two loss Tennessee or Georgia or Ole Miss or Alabama or A&M or Texas?

Originally Posted by cdub6238

Oh I totally get and understand that rational...was just more so poking holes in his argument...since he said "clearly Tennessee wasn't a #7"...as in what does that say about Bamas resume if their 2 losses are against an unranked 4 loss team and a not worthy Tennessee

Recency bias is most definitely a thing..just look at Ole Miss; they were #16 in AP and nowhere close in 1st CFB rankings with 2 losses to Kentucky and LSU (which doesn't look great at this point either)...beat GA and have vaulted all the way up

Tennessee has a loss to Arkansas (comparable to a loss against KY) and GA (better than a loss to LSU) and holds a win over Bama

Its just Tennessee JUST lost and beat Bama a month ago, when it didn't necessarily "matter as much"

It's a tough spot to predict and rank these teams no doubt. Tennessee knew what was on the line and blew it

Recency bias is absolutely a thing.

However, to say Tennessee blew it is a tough label. It's hard to win road games this year against those top 10 teams in the SEC

Same can be said about the top 4 in the Big 18 (Ten) this year (even though Penn State hasn't done their part in 5 years, I'll include them for arguments sake)

[TheFrenzy]

Kirby Smart getting dragged by the internet for his whining.

"I don't know what they're looking for. I really don't," Smart said of the CFP selection committee. "I wish they could really define the criteria. I wish they could do the eyeball test where they come down here and look at the people we're playing against and look at them. You can't see that stuff on TV, and so I don't know what they look for. But that's for somebody else to decide. I'm worried about our team."

"They're not in that environment," Smart said. "They're not at Ole Miss in that environment, playing against that defense, which is top five in the country with one of the best pass rushers in the country, and they're fired up. They got a two-score lead, and they're coming every play. They don't know. They don't understand that."

Georgia will still probably make the playoffs, but this ain't a good look for Smart. Comes across very weak and entitled.

[Fenway55]

New rankings are up as Thanksgiving starts to loom large!! How far with BYU fall? How far will Tennessee fall? And Florida State had one of their best weeks of the season, but will it be enough to get back in the rankings? Let's see!!

Biggest Gain: Tulane gains 5 to 20. If we look at "Others" then Arizona State gained 6 spots to #21, UNLV gained 7 from #30 to #23 and Illinois went from not getting a single vote (putting them in a 100 way tie for #31) all the way up to #24. Congrats to the Big 10 for showing they have teams beyond their top 4.

Biggest Loss: As predicted, BYU plummeted 7 to #14. Wazzu fell 6 to #25 and Tennessee fell 4 to #10. If we use "Others" then the biggest loser is LSU who went from #21 to #32, falling 11.

Best result for a loser: Officially, Tennessee had the best result for a loser dropping only 4 spots to #10. However, if this was the PC, then #10 would not be good enough for an at large spot. So there is definitely concern in Knoxville.

Worst result for a winner: I don't see any winners who fell so the "worst" result for a winner is they stayed put. This includes a grouping of Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State, ATM and Clemson. Undefeated Army fell 2 spots on their bye week.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by atoaz12

Can you explain how Penn State deserves to be in over a two loss Tennessee or Georgia or Ole Miss or Alabama or A&M or Texas?

I'd be happy to. They have 1 loss. All those other teams you mentioned have 2 losses except Texas, who is currently on the inside at #3.

Anything else you'd like me to explain?

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Georgia will still probably make the playoffs, but this ain't a good look for Smart. Comes across very weak and entitled.

Agreed, and it is sure an awful lot of whining for a team who will 99% certainly be back on the inside come Tuesday and only needs wins over UMass and GA Tech to stay in.

[atoaz12]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

I'd be happy to. They have 1 loss. All those other teams you mentioned have 2 losses except Texas, who is currently on the inside at #3.

Anything else you'd like me to explain?

Yes please.
You believe PSU’s resume is better than all of those teams to say that.

Pick one and explain how it’s better than theirs.

[TheFrenzy]

Arizona State up to #21 with a shot to make it to the BigXII championship if they win out!

Dilly Dilly!

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by atoaz12

Yes please.
You believe PSU’s resume is better than all of those teams to say that.

Pick one and explain how it’s better than theirs.

I already explained myself and I don't see how it can be any more clear. The Big 10 and the SEC are the Power-2 conferences (so it is not like we are talking about BYU or Boise State here).

Strength of schedule is a great way to settle a debate between 2 teams with the same record but sorry not sorry, there comes a point where the better record trumps a marginally more difficult SOS. This is all not to mention that Alabama, Tennessee and Ole Miss each have ugly losses in there.

NOTE: I reserve the right to change my mind as future games play out, but I am describing why teams are where they are right now.

[atoaz12]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

I already explained myself and I don't see how it can be any more clear. The Big 10 and the SEC are the Power-2 conferences (so it is not like we are talking about BYU or Boise State here).

Strength of schedule is a great way to settle a debate between 2 teams with the same record but sorry not sorry, there comes a point where the better record trumps a marginally more difficult SOS. This is all not to mention that Alabama, Tennessee and Ole Miss each have ugly losses in there.

NOTE: I reserve the right to change my mind as future games play out, but I am describing why teams are where they are right now.

Just trying to understand the fantasy that is Big 10 depth and the 15 SEC schools (actual number) with a harder strength of schedule than Penn State

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by atoaz12

Just trying to understand the fantasy that is Big 10 depth and the 15 SEC schools (actual number) with a harder strength of schedule than Penn State

Yeah yeah.... we've heard it all before....

When a bad SEC school beats a good SEC school, that shows how deep the SEC is, but... When a bad Big 10 school beats a good Big 10 school, that shows how weak the top teams in the Big 10 are...

Meanwhile, the #12 team in the Big 10 beat the #9 team in the SEC, so I am just trying to understand the fantasy that is SEC depth....

[atoaz12]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Yeah yeah.... we've heard it all before....

When a bad SEC school beats a good SEC school, that shows how deep the SEC is, but... When a bad Big 10 school beats a good Big 10 school, that shows how weak the top teams in the Big 10 are...

Meanwhile, the #12 team in the Big 10 beat the #9 team in the SEC, so I am just trying to understand the fantasy that is SEC depth....

Bowl games have told the story forever but since there were excuses there too, the playoffs will end the discussion

Just hate that schools will miss out because of Penn State’s JV schedule

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by atoaz12

Bowl games have told the story forever but since there were excuses there too, the playoffs will end the discussion

Just hate that schools will miss out because of Penn State’s JV schedule

Nobody is missing out because of Penn State's JV schedule. They are missing out because they lost games. If Tennessee ends up being the odd man out, they have only themselves to blame when they lost to 5-5 Arkansas.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Agreed, and it is sure an awful lot of whining for a team who will 99% certainly be back on the inside come Tuesday and only needs wins over UMass and GA Tech to stay in.

Likely just trying to lobby for a higher seed or deep down might be concerned with making the SEC CG. A loss there could knock them out. I havent looked into all tiebreak scenarios too much but I think if Bama wins out Georgia isnt making it in.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by mc1

Likely just trying to lobby for a higher seed or deep down might be concerned with making the SEC CG. A loss there could knock them out. I havent looked into all tiebreak scenarios too much but I think if Bama wins out Georgia isnt making it in.

It would depend on how everyone else did, but I have Ole Miss with the inside track to the 2nd spot in the SECCG. I guarantee you, that's what Georgia and Alabama would love to see.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Nobody is missing out because of Penn State's JV schedule. They are missing out because they lost games. If Tennessee ends up being the odd man out, they have only themselves to blame when they lost to 5-5 Arkansas.

Vols fan...accurate assessment

Do I think they belong in over Ole Miss, yes. Do I think it's stupid putting Bama in over them..yes.

But..win games your suppose to win and it won't matter

[atoaz12]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Nobody is missing out because of Penn State's JV schedule. They are missing out because they lost games. If Tennessee ends up being the odd man out, they have only themselves to blame when they lost to 5-5 Arkansas.

And here’s the point for the ‘2 Super Conferences’ - Penn State would have 2 losses with Tennessee’s schedule. And the schedule of any of the top 10 SEC schools. Just go look.

And I think more but that’s just my bias showing

They’ve proven the lack of ‘up to snuff’ for too many years (yes history means nothing - it’s 2024- but 270 total yards against OSU is the same story)

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by atoaz12

And here’s the point for the ‘2 Super Conferences’ - Penn State would have 2 losses with Tennessee’s schedule. And the schedule of any of the top 10 SEC schools. Just go look.

You have no idea whether or not that is true. Tennessee played 2 games against currently ranked teams. If Penn State could go 1-1 against those two teams, there is no reason to think they wouldn't be 9-1 right now. Same thing applies to Alabama's schedule. And I definitely don't see 2 losses for Penn State if they played Ole Miss' schedule. There's only 1 ranked opponent in there.

As much as I laugh at Kirby for whining, he is right that Georgia is the team with the toughest SOS of the whole bunch (future games notwithstanding). But I don't see anything from any of the rest which is so mind blowingly difficult as to deserve being placed over a power-2 school with the better record.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

It would depend on how everyone else did, but I have Ole Miss with the inside track to the 2nd spot in the SECCG. I guarantee you, that's what Georgia and Alabama would love to see.

Texas and A&M have to win out to get in. Easy to see that spot taken. If Ole Miss and Alabama win out, Ole Miss would be behind both Georgia/Alabama. Looks like Alabama has the TB over everyone at 6-2. Georgia would get in if Bama loses one more. If Texas loses to Kentucky but beats A&M, it would be Alabama vs Georgia.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by mc1

Texas and A&M have to win out to get in.

We have no idea what happens to Texas if they lose. They can probably lose the SECCG and still make the playoffs. That aside...

Originally Posted by mc1

Easy to see that spot taken. If Ole Miss and Alabama win out, Ole Miss would be behind both Georgia/Alabama. Looks like Alabama has the TB over everyone at 6-2. Georgia would get in if Bama loses one more. If Texas loses to Kentucky but beats A&M, it would be Alabama vs Georgia.

If everyone wins out, it depends on what happens in other games. I agree Alabama is currently in the lead though.

[atoaz12]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

You have no idea whether or not that is true. Tennessee played 2 games against currently ranked teams. If Penn State could go 1-1 against those two teams, there is no reason to think they wouldn't be 9-1 right now. Same thing applies to Alabama's schedule. And I definitely don't see 2 losses for Penn State if they played Ole Miss' schedule. There's only 1 ranked opponent in there.

As much as I laugh at Kirby for whining, he is right that Georgia is the team with the toughest SOS of the whole bunch (future games notwithstanding). But I don't see anything from any of the rest which is so mind blowingly difficult as to deserve being placed over a power-2 school with the better record.

Looking forward to the playoff so it can all be broadcast live!
The last decade has been live, so we're pretty sure how this will turn out, but should be fun!

Will circle back then - 3 weeks of chaos to go!

[TheFrenzy]

Is there anything more incestuous in college football than:

- ESPN owns the SEC Network.

- The SEC only plays 8 conference games (unlike conferences like the Big Ten which play nine) because supposedly ESPN won’t pay out for the extra game.

- As a result, the conference has less chance to cannibalize itself and enjoys a tremendous shortcut in getting teams into bowls and playoff slots.

- ESPN doesn’t pay for a ninth week of games and gets more teams into lucrative postseason games—making more money in the process.

It shouldn’t #@#@ up the playoffs with the conference champ auto-bids ensuring that the most deserving teams are already in, but it’s certainly an eye roller.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Is there anything more incestuous in college football than:

- ESPN owns the SEC Network.

- The SEC only plays 8 conference games (unlike conferences like the Big Ten which play nine) because supposedly ESPN won’t pay out for the extra game.

- As a result, the conference has less chance to cannibalize itself and enjoys a tremendous shortcut in getting teams into bowls and playoff slots.

- ESPN doesn’t pay for a ninth week of games and gets more teams into lucrative postseason games—making more money in the process.

It shouldn’t #@#@ up the playoffs with the conference champ auto-bids ensuring that the most deserving teams are already in, but it’s certainly an eye roller.

Don't forget how slanted their coverage is towards the SEC. On TV and the radio. The conflict of interest is so galling, I can't believe it is legal.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Don't forget how slanted their coverage is towards the SEC. On TV and the radio. The conflict of interest is so galling, I can't believe it is legal.

“Every loss comes with an asterisk and every win feels epic.”



That line would be corny coming from a conference sizzle reel. The fact that a journalist wrote it is wild.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

You have no idea whether or not that is true. Tennessee played 2 games against currently ranked teams. If Penn State could go 1-1 against those two teams, there is no reason to think they wouldn't be 9-1 right now. Same thing applies to Alabama's schedule. And I definitely don't see 2 losses for Penn State if they played Ole Miss' schedule. There's only 1 ranked opponent in there.

As much as I laugh at Kirby for whining, he is right that Georgia is the team with the toughest SOS of the whole bunch (future games notwithstanding). But I don't see anything from any of the rest which is so mind blowingly difficult as to deserve being placed over a power-2 school with the better record.

Yet Ohio State, Texas and Penn State are ranked ahead of a power 2 school with a better record and Georgia was ranked ahead of a power 2 school with a better record until they lost to Ole Miss.