✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹ - Page 74

HarryLime · 05-20-2021, 02:00 PM

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As you said I try to buy raw lots at market or below market rates and hope for the best. I also know to stay in my lane and stick to low end raw cards (with an occasional splurging of a PSA10 or higher end card). I don't open wax or do group breaks and mainly stick to buying singles of the players I collect (for enjoyment/hobby). I am never trying to buy BC 1st autos, TC autos, TC sapphire, or sp/ssp trendy cards (mainly due to being risk averse).

For the most part, I stay away from raw. If a player is already well within their frenzied explosion I won't go near raw. I just assume that by that point, if it's raw, it's raw for a reason. I would still buy raw on certain Ohtani issues but I think for everyone else I'd prefer the comfort of graded at this point (plus the convenience).

But I am a big fan of picking up a nice PSA 9 of certain cards when their PSA 10s start pooping turkeys. Or if it's a card that I really want and it's serial-numbered to /25 or less then I will buy a 9 if that's what surfaces first because you just never know how long it will take for a low print-run card like that to show up in a 10 the way you want it.

Arthur

seanrs1 · 05-20-2021, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryLime

For the most part, I stay away from raw. If a player is already well within their frenzied explosion I won't go near raw. I just assume that by that point, if it's raw, it's raw for a reason. I would still buy raw on certain Ohtani issues but I think for everyone else I'd prefer the comfort of graded at this point (plus the convenience).

But I am a big fan of picking up a nice PSA 9 of certain cards when their PSA 10s start pooping turkeys. Or if it's a card that I really want and it's serial-numbered to /25 or less then I will buy a 9 if that's what surfaces first because you just never know how long it will take for a low print-run card like that to show up in a 10 the way you want it.

Arthur

Arthur,
Your collection must be amazing! I am certainly not a high roller like yourself! I just enjoy the fun of collecting for multitudes of reasons. That is why this hobby is so great!

OnTheAir · 05-20-2021, 02:47 PM

Asking the general crowd…

His bat is so valuable, as is his arm.

As a Closer, would he thrive in that role?

My 90s baseball fanboy is envisioning him pulling a John Smoltz.

That’s one hell of a weapon to lock down the back end of games.

Mo - Eck - Hoffman - Lee Smith - Billy Wagner - Nen… Talent wise I think he may be in the same area code at this point in his career timeline.

Thanks for taking the time to read the ramblings of 90s baseball fan.

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BBases31 · 05-20-2021, 02:48 PM

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As a Closer, would he thrive in that role?
That’s one hell of a weapon to lock down the back end of games.

Of course he would. Any elite starter would be one of the best closers in baseball pitching one inning at a time. Ohtani is considerably more valuable as a starter. I don't understand why so many people are so fixated on trying to get Ohtani pitching 60% less innings

rman112 · 05-20-2021, 02:54 PM

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Of course he would. Any elite starter would be one of the best closers in baseball pitching one inning at a time. Ohtani is considerably more valuable as a starter. I don't understand why so many people are so fixated on trying to get Ohtani pitching 60% less innings

Because there's a reason players don't play two ways.

BBases31 · 05-20-2021, 02:58 PM

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Because there's a reason players don't play two ways.

Yes because they only train one or the other once they leave high school. Have you ever seen a position player pitching throw anything respectable? No. Or a pitcher that could actually hit good enough to be in a lineup? No. Despite DeGrom's 15 ABs or whatever it is this year, his normal offensive output is not good enough to crack a lineup. Ohtani played 3 full two-way seasons in Japan before he came to the Angels and he was throwing 100mph gas over there too

rman112 · 05-20-2021, 03:02 PM

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Yes because they only train one or the other once they leave high school. Have you ever seen a position player pitching throw anything respectable? No. Or a pitcher that could actually hit good enough to be in a lineup? No. Despite DeGrom's 15 ABs or whatever it is this year, his normal offensive output is not good enough to crack a lineup. Ohtani played 3 full two-way seasons in Japan before he came to the Angels and he was throwing 100mph gas over there too

You're missing the entire point. It's physical.

OnTheAir · 05-20-2021, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

Of course he would. Any elite starter would be one of the best closers in baseball pitching one inning at a time. Ohtani is considerably more valuable as a starter. I don't understand why so many people are so fixated on trying to get Ohtani pitching 60% less innings

It was a question to solicit opinions, not vague statements and declarations of the everyone’s fixations.

Perhaps the fixation is on your end.

Why do you cling to your fixation when a hypothetical question about a player moving to another role is asked?

I wasn’t aware of this fixation movement. In the future I will refrain from dabbling in this area without proper protection.

My humblest apologies.

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BBases31 · 05-20-2021, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheAir

It was a question to solicit opinions, not vague statements and declarations of the everyone’s fixations.

Perhaps the fixation is on your end.

Why do you cling to your fixation when a hypothetical question about a player moving to another role is asked?

I wasn’t aware of this fixation movement. In the future I will refrain from dabbling in this area without proper protection.

My humblest apologies.

The suggestion of Ohtani being used in a relief role is seen ad nauseam. Don't take such offense

OnTheAir · 05-20-2021, 03:37 PM

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The suggestion of Ohtani being used in a relief role is seen ad nauseam. Don't take such offense

There was no spirit of offense taken.

There wasn’t a suggestion, it was a question.

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The_Reverend · 05-21-2021, 08:59 AM

My Ohtani box search is now complete. Now to see what PSA does. Patience has its virtues.

HarryLime · 05-21-2021, 09:27 AM

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There was no spirit of offense taken.

There wasn’t a suggestion, it was a question.

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BBases believes all of his opinions are indisputable facts. We all have to deal with it. Don't let it alter your posting.

Arthur

HarryLime · 05-21-2021, 09:34 AM

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Arthur,
Your collection must be amazing! I am certainly not a high roller like yourself! I just enjoy the fun of collecting for multitudes of reasons. That is why this hobby is so great!

I am definitely not a high roller. I don't think I would even qualify as a medium roller here on Blowout. But I'm pretty good at spotting repeating trends and get in on some stuff before it takes off. But my collection is modest. I try to get one "good" card for each hobby star. More of a CYA collection than anything else. I have entirely too many focuses (focii?) to go heavy in any one direction. I recently picked up an album from a French multisport set from 1935-36 that I had never seen before in 15 years of looking. Lot of pokers in the fire.

And having fun is definitely the #1 priority for me when it comes to the hobby! Collect what you like and you'll never be disappointed.

Arthur

tblood · 05-21-2021, 11:02 AM

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NYRE2PECT · 05-21-2021, 11:12 AM

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I like that white jersey variation

HarryLime · 05-21-2021, 11:19 AM

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Those '18s are sexy! Would love to have 700 Gold. Great cards.

Arthur

tblood · 05-21-2021, 12:01 PM

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Those '18s are sexy! Would love to have 700 Gold. Great cards.

Arthur

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I like that white jersey variation

Thanks!! In perfect condition they are WELL outside of my price range. But, I got lucky and found these two “damaged” copies.

I am liking the ‘19 SP more and more. It looks like he is saying “Bring it!” as he gears up. I believe it is his only Flagship Gold Cup variation. No SSP version in S1 and no variations in S2.

Edit: Just remembered he has a Chrome Gold Cup variation. So the S1 SP is not his only Gold Cup variation.

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hoos · 05-21-2021, 10:09 PM

Have over 40 Ohtani complete set cards with backs like the bottom one, but only one card of any player from the complete set packs that looks like the top Ohtani. Known phenomenon?

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tblood · 05-22-2021, 10:13 AM

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Have over 40 Ohtani complete set cards with backs like the bottom one, but only one card of any player from the complete set packs that looks like the top Ohtani. Known phenomenon?

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I haven’t heard about any oddities with that set but I’m curious if anyone else has.

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tblood · 05-22-2021, 10:15 AM

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hammertime · 05-22-2021, 11:07 AM

Man you're killing it with his Japanese cards...so many good ones.

HarryLime · 05-22-2021, 11:31 AM

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Have over 40 Ohtani complete set cards with backs like the bottom one, but only one card of any player from the complete set packs that looks like the top Ohtani. Known phenomenon?

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That's the type of thing that I dig. I need to get me one of those.

Arthur

tblood · 05-22-2021, 11:29 PM

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Man you're killing it with his Japanese cards...so many good ones.

I got hooked and went further than intended! It has been a good experience so far, though. Working on putting a display together for the 9-card set. Here’s hoping Ohtani keeps going strong and these cards gain popularity! I am happy having them either way.

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rman112 · 05-22-2021, 11:50 PM

Just let him hit. He's so much more natural at the plate. Incredible combination of easy power, and speed.

Trueblue · 05-22-2021, 11:50 PM

Ohtani with a double and triple tonight. Both used his legs to grab an extra base. 28 XBHs on the year.

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OnTheAir Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,083 lasvegas67stang	Asking the general crowd… His bat is so valuable, as is his arm. As a Closer, would he thrive in that role? My 90s baseball fanboy is envisioning him pulling a John Smoltz. That’s one hell of a weapon to lock down the back end of games. Mo - Eck - Hoffman - Lee Smith - Billy Wagner - Nen… Talent wise I think he may be in the same area code at this point in his career timeline. Thanks for taking the time to read the ramblings of 90s baseball fan. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ ** If you get a random complement from me… It’s because the last two years have been a bat crap crazy sht show. So I’ve decided to become a bearded unicorn of positivity. *

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hoos Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,369 hooscards	Have over 40 Ohtani complete set cards with backs like the bottom one, but only one card of any player from the complete set packs that looks like the top Ohtani. Known phenomenon? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Nomad by profession, Seattleite by heart. Collecting: Edgar Martinez; Jay Buhner; Ken Griffey, Jr.; Randy Johnson; JRod; Big Dumper; Brad Miller; Vintage Seattle PSA slabs; 1955 Topps PSA

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The_Reverend Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 15,235 islubi	My Ohtani box search is now complete. Now to see what PSA does. Patience has its virtues.

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rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Just let him hit. He's so much more natural at the plate. Incredible combination of easy power, and speed.

05-22-2021, 11:50 PM	#1850
Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,281	Ohtani with a double and triple tonight. Both used his legs to grab an extra base. 28 XBHs on the year.