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Old 08-18-2020, 01:19 PM   #151
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It’s either Soto or Acuña at this point. Tatis has played in 107 career games... a little over half a season. I’m not staying he’s not gonna be the next greatest player to have ever played, but the hype at this point, along with his card prices is a little crazy. There have been thousands and thousands of guys have a great half season.
Tatis is having one of the all time best starts to a career, he's not overhyped at all. If anything he's probably still underhyped as it doesn't seem like he's eclipsed the level of attention Acuna was getting last season and he is much better than Acuna was.

Everyone is dismissing the Tatis injury risk though.
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:25 PM   #152
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A tweak of a wrist is not a big deal. He'll be back in a few days.
Here are the stats:

2019: .280 41 HRs, 101 RBI, 37 SBs, 76 BBs, .518 SLG, 127 Runs
2018: .293 26 HRs, 64 RBI, 16 SBs, 45 BBs, .552 SLG, 78 Runs


2019: .282 34 HRs, 110 RBI, 12 SBs, 108 BBs, .548 SLG, 110 Runs
2018: .292 22 HRs, 70 RBI, 5 SBs, 79 BBs, .517 SLG, 77 Runs

Which player has the best numbers over the last two years? We all know.
Acuna's defense and baserunning skills (not only in the SB department) are light years ahead of Soto as well. The excitement factor isn't close either.
Acuna is better because he hit 7 more homeruns in 60 more plate appearances?

I've said this before, I like Acuna. He's a great player. Calling him generational right now, is crazy. I'm not even saying Soto or Tatis are generational at this moment.

Soto beats Acuna in average, OBP by a ton, slugging, OPS, OPS+, doubles. Fun fact, Soto had more extra base hits than Acuna last year. If you ask people, some would even argue Acuna's 2018 season was better than his 2019 season. Everybody just looks at the 40/40 and go bonkers. He was more productive in 2018 though, and it seemed he was starting to produce at those levels again in 2020.

Then you look at Soto, and he has gotten better between 2018 and now. His average dipped last year, but his walk rate increased, his slugging increased, and he was more productive.
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:28 PM   #153
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Acuna is better because he hit 7 more homeruns in 60 more plate appearances?

I've said this before, I like Acuna. He's a great player. Calling him generational right now, is crazy. I'm not even saying Soto or Tatis are generational at this moment.

Soto beats Acuna in average, OBP by a ton, slugging, OPS, OPS+, doubles. Fun fact, Soto had more extra base hits than Acuna last year. If you ask people, some would even argue Acuna's 2018 season was better than his 2019 season. Everybody just looks at the 40/40 and go bonkers. He was more productive in 2018 though, and it seemed he was starting to produce at those levels again in 2020.

Then you look at Soto, and he has gotten better between 2018 and now. His average dipped last year, but his walk rate increased, his slugging increased, and he was more productive.
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:33 PM   #154
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I think you had a typo. Instead of "Chasing HRs" I think you meant to type "Hitting HRs". All your post says is that they are different hitters. Means nothing when it comes to who the best is. Soto can keep walking to first. Acuna will keep trotting to home.
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:34 PM   #155
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Right now I think Tatis Jr. has passed Acuna, and I think he's rounding the corner on Soto. Though what Soto is doing right now, at his age is quite incredible.
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:36 PM   #156
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Soto beats Acuna in average, OBP by a ton, slugging, OPS, OPS+, doubles.
When you list 6 stats, and 3 of them come from the same thing (taking walks) your list loses credibility. Also, why would Soto lead Acuna in doubles? Because Acuna's went over the wall instead of landing in front of it? I'm sure he could take a little bit off of his swing and hit more doubles if he wanted to. He just prefers to have them landing in the stands.
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:39 PM   #157
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Soto and Tatis are going to be the best in baseball for the next 10.
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:41 PM   #158
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It does not have to be either or with Acuna and Soto or Acuna and Tatis. You can buy all of them and hedge your bets. Plus you can buy 2018 product and keep it unopened and get the benefit of both Acuna and Soto plus Torres, Ohtani, Meadows, Bieber....
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:42 PM   #159
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Acuna is better because he hit 7 more homeruns in 60 more plate appearances?



I've said this before, I like Acuna. He's a great player. Calling him generational right now, is crazy. I'm not even saying Soto or Tatis are generational at this moment.



Soto beats Acuna in average, OBP by a ton, slugging, OPS, OPS+, doubles. Fun fact, Soto had more extra base hits than Acuna last year. If you ask people, some would even argue Acuna's 2018 season was better than his 2019 season. Everybody just looks at the 40/40 and go bonkers. He was more productive in 2018 though, and it seemed he was starting to produce at those levels again in 2020.



Then you look at Soto, and he has gotten better between 2018 and now. His average dipped last year, but his walk rate increased, his slugging increased, and he was more productive.
Yup

FTR, I hope Acuna does well. I like him as a player. I just don't think he's as good a hitter as Soto

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Old 08-18-2020, 01:53 PM   #160
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I like all 3 plain and simple. I have invested in all 3, but you could say that I have doubled down on Soto. I have not picked up any second year cards of Tatis or Acuna because I believe that Soto is the better pick up. He is younger than the other 2 but more advanced at the plate than the others. Soto is going to continue to do Soto things. Tatis and Acuna have been very solid up to this point but with Tatis I would be a little worried about injuries. Acuna needs better plate discipline.
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:56 PM   #161
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Another thing people seem to forget is that Soto is only 21 and won't be 22 until the season is pretty much over.
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Old 08-18-2020, 02:02 PM   #162
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Another thing people seem to forget is that Soto is only 21 and won't be 22 until the season is pretty much over.
Soto isn't a day younger than 33.
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Old 08-18-2020, 02:10 PM   #163
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Obviously if I pick one, it means the other two guys suck, right? Soto's my guy, but I am a huge fan of Tatis. I appreciate Acuna, but have him a notch below the other two.
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Old 08-18-2020, 04:21 PM   #164
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But look at the division he's playing in. He's putting up great numbers in a really good pitchers division with pitcher friendly ball parks. I would think that mlb had more than enough time in the offseason to work an adjustment on him based off of scouting reports and film from last year.
It may take more than 450 at bats to figure him out, or, pitchers may never figure him out and he keeps raking for the rest of his career. I just think it’s risky to put a lot of money into a guy that hasn’t even played a full season.
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Old 08-18-2020, 04:27 PM   #165
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Tatis is having one of the all time best starts to a career, he's not overhyped at all. If anything he's probably still underhyped as it doesn't seem like he's eclipsed the level of attention Acuna was getting last season and he is much better than Acuna was.

Everyone is dismissing the Tatis injury risk though.
“he’s much better than Acuña was” through 20 games....20. To hype a guy who hasn’t played a full season on the same level as a guy coming off the NL ROY and pushing for 40/40 in the next season is nuts.

I get it, people are worried if they don’t buy now they’ll lose out on a possible super star player, but I’ve gotta see a full season, and maybe more before I spend $275 on his base PSA 10.
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Old 08-18-2020, 04:32 PM   #166
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“he’s much better than Acuña was” through 20 games....20. To hype a guy who hasn’t played a full season on the same level as a guy coming off the NL ROY and pushing for 40/40 in the next season is nuts.

I get it, people are worried if they don’t buy now they’ll lose out on a possible super star player, but I’ve gotta see a full season, and maybe more before I spend $275 on his base PSA 10.

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Old 08-18-2020, 08:47 PM   #168
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In terms of pure hitting, I think Soto will be the best of the 3. All-around, I'd lean Tatis if he stays at SS.
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Old 08-18-2020, 09:07 PM   #169
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I think we all agree its The Chosen Juan. Man it will be interesting to see after this season who will earn their 1st MVP first, with Cody Mookie Yelich Nolan all playing in their prime the NL is stacked
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Old 08-18-2020, 10:19 PM   #170
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When you list 6 stats, and 3 of them come from the same thing (taking walks) your list loses credibility. Also, why would Soto lead Acuna in doubles? Because Acuna's went over the wall instead of landing in front of it? I'm sure he could take a little bit off of his swing and hit more doubles if he wanted to. He just prefers to have them landing in the stands.
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Yeah, nobody looks at walks, OBP, and OPS, or even OPS+.

Soto trails by 8 homeruns in less plate appearances. All this talk about Acuna being the better homerun hitter when they have nearly identical power. 7 homeruns was the difference last year, with Acuna getting 60+ more plate appearances. That's basically 1 more homerun a month, meanwhile Soto is getting on base more and producing more quality at bats.

I swear, Acuna fans HATE criticism of him. I say it time again, Acuna is a great player with great potential. He has warranted criticism. Soto does too, but right now, Soto has proven to be the better hitter. That doesn't mean Soto > Acuna, but right now, I want Soto at the plate over Acuna.
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Old 08-19-2020, 06:04 AM   #171
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Soto's numbers dwarf Acuna's as I suspected would happen.
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Old 08-19-2020, 09:51 AM   #172
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Tatis--he plays a far more important position.
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Old 08-19-2020, 11:11 AM   #173
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Now's the time to buy Acuna. He'll be back. I think he's the most probable multi-MVP candidate of the 3.

Best all-around: Acuna
Best at the plate: Soto
Hardest hitter: Tatis (even though both Soto and Acuna have a higher hard hit % for 2020, I think it'll be Tatis in the long run)
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Old 08-19-2020, 11:26 AM   #174
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Who gets the first MVP?

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Old 10-18-2020, 11:28 PM   #175
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with Acuna out of the playoffs, this is my ranking

1) Soto - no explanation needed really

2) Tatis - tremendous 60 game season and pushed Acuna out of the way

3) Acuna - really fell behind the pack by a mile. He's now on the outside looking in
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