**The Perennial MIKE TROUT Thread** - Page 694

marl1220 · 05-02-2021, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Don't embarrass yourself like that.

Beyond laughable.

Talk about an ironic thing to say.

imbluestreak23 · 05-02-2021, 02:13 PM

Mike Fish is the best baseball player in 2021 and the hobby leader in 2021 too.

Stifle · 05-02-2021, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

also, are we discussing the game or the cards? they are not connected for the most part

Performance on the field has a direct influence on the players card values. It's my opinion.

Trout was one of 4 players who I would include for POTM in the AL. JD, Vladimir JR and Buxton. Then Ohtani.

( Coming from somebody who is Non Colluded ). "If we had a New World Order in this Nation, I would definitely be humiliated, ostracized or worse". Loved how W. Churchill stood his ground vs Hitler"!

jhssketchcards · 05-02-2021, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Mike Fish is the best baseball player in 2021 and the hobby leader in 2021 too.

Has been for a while now

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k13 · 05-02-2021, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Ryan Howard... lol

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Yeah.
Shows how special Trout is...

55 home runs behind the great Ryan Howard.

There's no way Trout can match 2006-2011 Howard anyway.
He's just a compiler with low ceiling.

Will never break any meaningful records so who cares.

jhssketchcards · 05-02-2021, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Yeah.
Shows how special Trout is...

55 home runs behind the great Ryan Howard.

There's no way Trout can match 2006-2011 Howard anyway.
He's just a compiler with low ceiling.

Will never break any meaningful records so who cares.

You’re right. He’s just the best player the past 10 years and no one is close. Including Ryan Howard.
Trout will be a HOF 1st ballot, while Howard will be affectionately known as a fan favorite. And BTW the best player label comes from his peers, not just in here.

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kidfan9 · 05-02-2021, 10:24 PM

Compiler...of MVP's

cardsin47 · 05-02-2021, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Ryan Howard had 279 homers in first 1000 games.
Destroys both of them.
Who cares.

Pujols had 266 home runs and way higher batting average.

So nothing special by Trout or Mantle.

Hey K,
What do you think about any/all of these Players? They represent a large part of my Investment PC.

~ Trout! Soto! Zion! Luka! Mahomes! McDavid! ~

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jhssketchcards · 05-02-2021, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kidfan9

Compiler...of MVP's

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anusinha · 05-02-2021, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kidfan9

Compiler...of MVP's

Non Compiler of..... playoff games

Man..... Angels are so bad. Its almost unbelievable how a team that is trying to win is doing worse than teams that are trying to lose.

k13 · 05-02-2021, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

You’re right. He’s just the best player the past 10 years and no one is close. Including Ryan Howard.
Trout will be a HOF 1st ballot, while Howard will be affectionately known as a fan favorite. And BTW the best player label comes from his peers, not just in here.

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That just shows you how bad baseball has been the last 10 years. You bring up some supposed great stat that gets crushed by no one special.

Howard has an MVP AND World Series Ring.

Mike trout has never batted .330 once in his life.
Hit 40 hrs twice
50 hrs zero

Best player ever.....what a joke.

jhssketchcards · 05-02-2021, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

That just shows you how bad baseball has been the last 10 years. You bring up some supposed great stat that gets crushed by no one special.

Howard has an MVP AND World Series Ring.

Mike trout has never batted .330 once in his life.
Hit 40 hrs twice
50 hrs zero

Best player ever.....what a joke.

You’re literally comparing him to Ryan Howard. Let that sink in for a bit. Talk about a joke.

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jhssketchcards · 05-02-2021, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

That just shows you how bad baseball has been the last 10 years. You bring up some supposed great stat that gets crushed by no one special.

Howard has an MVP AND World Series Ring.

Mike trout has never batted .330 once in his life.
Hit 40 hrs twice
50 hrs zero

Best player ever.....what a joke.

Let’s also compare these stats with the two since Howard is your measuring stick...

Based on plate appearances:

6531. 5607
Howard. Trout
Ks 1843. 1198
BBs 709. 853
OBP .343. .419
SLG .515. .586
RBI 1194. 814
HR 382. 309
OPS .859. 1.005
OPS+ 125. 177
2B 277. 268
3B 21. 48
H 1475. 1413
R 848. 964
TB 2940. 2704

ROY. ROY
3x AS. 8x AS
1x SS. 7x SS
1x MVP. 3x MVP

So your only stat is like everyone else, Trout doesn’t have a WS ring. So I guess Ryan Howard is better than Ted Williams too? Willams didn’t get a ring and never hit 50 HR, in fact only hit 40+ once.

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goldeneye007 · 05-02-2021, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Let’s also compare these stats with the two since Howard is your measuring stick...

Based on plate appearances:

6531. 5607
Howard. Trout
Ks 1843. 1198
BBs 709. 853
OBP .343. .419
SLG .515. .586
RBI 1194. 814
HR 382. 309
OPS .859. 1.005
OPS+ 125. 177
2B 277. 268
3B 21. 48
H 1475. 1413
R 848. 964
TB 2940. 2704

ROY. ROY
3x AS. 8x AS
1x SS. 7x SS
1x MVP. 3x MVP

So your only stat is like everyone else, Trout doesn’t have a WS ring. So I guess Ryan Howard is better than Ted Williams too? Willams didn’t get a ring and never hit 50 HR, in fact only hit 40+ once.

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he's right though, Howard is overlooked. Tony Gwynn doesn't have a ring and only hit more than 15 HR in a season twice (He also has 0 MVP awards). Howard was robbed!

Clause37 · 05-02-2021, 11:57 PM

Trout is the measuring stick any player would hope to measure up to in the current generation. He's not anywhere done pushing every goal post further with his amazing 2021 stats. There is no point arguing, unless you want to delegate it to championships, in which a single player has no determination.

Chris P · 05-02-2021, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

You’re literally comparing him to Ryan Howard. Let that sink in for a bit. Talk about a joke.

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I wouldnt worry about k13....noone takes him serious..he hates everyone in every sport so its not just a trout thing

jhssketchcards · 05-03-2021, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by goldeneye007

he's right though, Howard is overlooked. Tony Gwynn doesn't have a ring and only hit more than 15 HR in a season twice (He also has 0 MVP awards). Howard was robbed!

Howard isn’t overlooked... he finished his career with 14.7 WAR. Trout had dis first full year and a half. Adam Dunn hit 40+ HR 6x and had more WAR than Howard.

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rman112 · 05-03-2021, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Howard isn’t overlooked... he finished his career with 14.7 WAR. Trout had dis first full year and a half. Adam Dunn hit 40+ HR 6x and had more WAR than Howard.

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14.7 for Ryan Howard's career is a joke. WAR overrates on base for big guys and wildly underrates driving in runs.

jhssketchcards · 05-03-2021, 04:55 AM

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14.7 for Ryan Howard's career is a joke. WAR overrates on base for big guys and wildly underrates driving in runs.

It did ok for Frank Thomas. He did both and WAR didn’t affect him.

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rman112 · 05-03-2021, 04:58 AM

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It did ok for Frank Thomas. He did both and WAR didn’t affect him.

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Frank Thomas is one of the best hitters ever...

jhssketchcards · 05-03-2021, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Frank Thomas is one of the best hitters ever...

So is Mike Trout. Ryan Howard is not.

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3of5-2 · 05-03-2021, 07:20 AM

Moe Howard was one of the best hitters ever. Just ask Larry and Curly.

BosPats1980 · 05-03-2021, 07:39 AM

Ryan Howard had a solid MVP Caliber 2 Season Window with a 3-4 Season Overall All Star Window. Can't take that away and was a monster in the middle of the Philly lineup during that window. However, Trout is now going on a 11+ Season MVP & All Star run that is only done by the elite of the elite over 100+ years of baseball.

jhssketchcards · 05-03-2021, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BosPats1980

Ryan Howard had a solid MVP Caliber 2 Season Window with a 3-4 Season Overall All Star Window. Can't take that away and was a monster in the middle of the Philly lineup during that window. However, Trout is now going on a 11+ Season MVP & All Star run that is only done by the elite of the elite over 100+ years of baseball.

That’s a fair assessment. I’m not saying Howard wasn’t great for the 3-4 years, he was. It’s just silly to use Howard as a comparison against Trout because he hit 50 HR one time. Brady Anderson did too as did Luis Gonzalez. Gonzalez had the GW hit off arguably the best closer in history and ended the Yankees dynasty in 2001, so I guess he’s better than Trout too? Please. Yogi Berra has the most WS rings and MVPs to boot, on a tremendous Yankees team at that time, yet no one considers him a top 10 player of all-time. Saying a player has a ring or more and a solid career doesn’t make him better than Trout. I’m not saying Trout is the best to ever play the game, but if he finishes his career on the path he’s on, it’s fair to say he would be in that conversation.

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REGGIE206 · 05-03-2021, 09:26 AM

MAIL DAY:

2016 Topps Chrome Mike Trout (Prism Refractor)

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BosPats1980 Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 1,604 ddeld	Ryan Howard had a solid MVP Caliber 2 Season Window with a 3-4 Season Overall All Star Window. Can't take that away and was a monster in the middle of the Philly lineup during that window. However, Trout is now going on a 11+ Season MVP & All Star run that is only done by the elite of the elite over 100+ years of baseball.