**The Perennial MIKE TROUT Thread**

[jswest18]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I get that.

But those three could just as easily fade out of baseball as well as succeed in the next 5-10 years. We’ve seen it. Trout is a HOF lock already after 10 years. Acuna and Soto are in their 4th season and Tatis in his 3rd. Trout was already the best player in the game by his 3rd full season. Acunas best season was 2019 and he mashed... yet was 5th in MVP.
I could care less about video game covers, I’m not an “impress and entertain me” fan. I go for legacy and sustainable performance. Every year or so there is someone people pump as the next Trout yet no one has come close.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It’s common in every sport for people to talk about the “greatest” and then to argue who is going to eclipse them. I don’t think anyone who is objective would say that Acuna/Tatis/Soto are absolutely going go down as greater players than Trout. IF Trout continues his trajectory he will go down as top 3-5 to ever play the game. That doesn’t mean someone won’t replace him at some point as the best player in the game right now. Those three get compared and expected to take the mantle because they represent the closest thing to Trout. They all came up very young, they all have put up historical numbers in some fashion and they all have shown that they have a real chance to be HOF locks by the time they reach Trout’s age. That doesn’t mean they will be “greater” players than Trout when all said and done though.

And to be fair to each of those 3. Last year threw a wrench in how to compare careers. Acuna was coming off a top 5 MVP finish the year before. He actually had a better year last year than he did when he finished top 5 but injuries and a short season prevented him from accumulating numbers to possibly go 40/40 and be in that top 5 vote again. Tatis was the MVP until the last 3 weeks to month of the season and he hit a slide but it’s a very real possibility that he would have gotten hot again and finished the season as MVP. Soto put up better advanced numbers than Freddie did but didn’t have the counting stats because he missed too many games. Perhaps he also would have been the MVP had they been able to play a full season.

Lastly, as long as those 3 remain on their current teams, which seems certain for the next 10 years, then they all will have to compete against each other for the MVP each year. It reminds me of Mays and Aaron. They played as contemporaries on the same league. Aaron only had 1 MVP in his career but was top 3 seven times, top 5 eight, and top 10 thirteen times. Mays was MVP twice with 9 top 5 finishes, and finished top 10 twelve times. They both won their 1st MVP at age 23. My point being, Mays is maybe the greatest or no question top 3 player of all time. Aaron is a legend and top 5-10 of all time. But neither had the MVP track record in their careers that Trout has to this point. I believe that is because they played in an era with each other and with other all time greats like Musial, Banks, Clemente and even Koufax. We are likely seeing a similar era with during the careers of Acuna/Tatis/Soto so I don’t expect any of them to reach the lofty heights of Trout as far as MVP goes.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I get that.

But those three could just as easily fade out of baseball as well as succeed in the next 5-10 years. We’ve seen it. Trout is a HOF lock already after 10 years. Acuna and Soto are in their 4th season and Tatis in his 3rd. Trout was already the best player in the game by his 3rd full season. Acunas best season was 2019 and he mashed... yet was 5th in MVP.
I could care less about video game covers, I’m not an “impress and entertain me” fan. I go for legacy and sustainable performance. Every year or so there is someone people pump as the next Trout yet no one has come close.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

the current (and future) state of the game is not for you & i, for sure. we are from the old days, and thats OK

you love Trout, thats fantastic. Most of the people here also collect him.

Mike carried the sport for a long time, taking the baton from Albert.

Father time always wins.

so when others say that (name here) is the face of the game now, and that name happens to no tbe Trout? thats ok too.

you dont have to have a coronary whenever someone says something in a negative light about Mikey lol

[ThoseBackPages]

also, are we discussing the game or the cards? they are not connected for the most part

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

the current (and future) state of the game is not for you & i, for sure. we are from the old days, and thats OK

you love Trout, thats fantastic. Most of the people here also collect him.

Mike carried the sport for a long time, taking the baton from Albert.

Father time always wins.

so when others say that (name here) is the face of the game now, and that name happens to no tbe Trout? thats ok too.

you dont have to have a coronary whenever someone says something in a negative light about Mikey lol

Oh I don’t sweat it it’s just fun poking the fire. I have bigger stuff than this to worry about. It’s just always funny to see the guys come along and many tout them as the next this or that player, which will always be. I personally never do that, simply because I appreciate the uniqueness of each great player. I remember when Mauer and Kemp were projected the next great players at one point. That went well...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Oh I don’t sweat it it’s just fun poking the fire. I have bigger stuff than this to worry about. It’s just always funny to see the guys come along and many tout them as the next this or that player, which will always be. I personally never do that, simply because I appreciate the uniqueness of each great player. I remember when Mauer and Kemp were projected the next great players at one point. That went well...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

ok good! lol

i was just expressing how its read here by me, and id guess others

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I remember when Mauer and Kemp were projected the next great players at one point. That went well...

Soto is the closest thing I’ve seen to Trout in the past Decade .... but I’m certainly not going to sell my Trout PC, to buy a substantially larger Soto PC with proceeds —- on the hope that Soto is the next Trout, when I’m already heavily invested in Trout

( read it several times - you’ll get it )

[kidfan9]

HR...not so boring!!

[caflisch78]

Booooom! HR #7!!

[Trout Fan]

Originally Posted by jswest18

It’s common in every sport for people to talk about the “greatest” and then to argue who is going to eclipse them. I don’t think anyone who is objective would say that Acuna/Tatis/Soto are absolutely going go down as greater players than Trout. IF Trout continues his trajectory he will go down as top 3-5 to ever play the game. That doesn’t mean someone won’t replace him at some point as the best player in the game right now. Those three get compared and expected to take the mantle because they represent the closest thing to Trout. They all came up very young, they all have put up historical numbers in some fashion and they all have shown that they have a real chance to be HOF locks by the time they reach Trout’s age. That doesn’t mean they will be “greater” players than Trout when all said and done though.

And to be fair to each of those 3. Last year threw a wrench in how to compare careers. Acuna was coming off a top 5 MVP finish the year before. He actually had a better year last year than he did when he finished top 5 but injuries and a short season prevented him from accumulating numbers to possibly go 40/40 and be in that top 5 vote again. Tatis was the MVP until the last 3 weeks to month of the season and he hit a slide but it’s a very real possibility that he would have gotten hot again and finished the season as MVP. Soto put up better advanced numbers than Freddie did but didn’t have the counting stats because he missed too many games. Perhaps he also would have been the MVP had they been able to play a full season.

Lastly, as long as those 3 remain on their current teams, which seems certain for the next 10 years, then they all will have to compete against each other for the MVP each year. It reminds me of Mays and Aaron. They played as contemporaries on the same league. Aaron only had 1 MVP in his career but was top 3 seven times, top 5 eight, and top 10 thirteen times. Mays was MVP twice with 9 top 5 finishes, and finished top 10 twelve times. They both won their 1st MVP at age 23. My point being, Mays is maybe the greatest or no question top 3 player of all time. Aaron is a legend and top 5-10 of all time. But neither had the MVP track record in their careers that Trout has to this point. I believe that is because they played in an era with each other and with other all time greats like Musial, Banks, Clemente and even Koufax. We are likely seeing a similar era with during the careers of Acuna/Tatis/Soto so I don’t expect any of them to reach the lofty heights of Trout as far as MVP goes.

Well said!

[caflisch78]

Seattle pitching putting on a show !

[REGGIE206]

BOOM! HR #7!

[MOONBASE1]

Reminds me of golf. So and so is always the next Tiger Woods.

[cardsin47]

Our Generations Mickey Mantle is right here / right now!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[jhssketchcards]

Seems like Mikey should get POTM for April right?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[soey10]

Can someone explain to me how Trout’s off to this incredible start and according to ESPN his WAR is 0.0. I think a replacement would be doing worse than Trout right now. This stat makes no sense.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by soey10

Can someone explain to me how Trout’s off to this incredible start and according to ESPN his WAR is 0.0. I think a replacement would be doing worse than Trout right now. This stat makes no sense.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

His ability to carry bubble gum to the guys in the bullpen is worth -2 WAR relative to a replacement player.

[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by soey10

Can someone explain to me how Trout’s off to this incredible start and according to ESPN his WAR is 0.0. I think a replacement would be doing worse than Trout right now. This stat makes no sense.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Don’t look at ESPN WAR, that’s worthless

His fWAR is 2.2 and bWAR is 2.0

[dodgersinfinity]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

Don’t look at ESPN WAR, that’s worthless

His fWAR is 2.2 and bWAR is 2.0

Don't look at WAR, period

[soey10]

I won’t look at that WAR, but shouldn’t that in itself prove to ESPN that their war is broken. Just sayin


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[caflisch78]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

Don’t look at ESPN WAR, that’s worthless

His fWAR is 2.2 and bWAR is 2.0

Offensive WAR
1. Trout • LAA 2.1
2. Buxton • MIN 1.9
3. Martinez • BOS 1.7
3. Acuna • ATL 1.7
5. Guerrero • TOR 1.7
6. Solak • TEX 1.6
7. Bryant • CHC 1.5
8. Kelly • ARI 1.4
8. Walsh • LAA 1.4
10. Bogaerts • BOS 1.3

WAR Position Players
1. Buxton • MIN 2.4
2. Trout • LAA 2.0
3. Martinez • BOS 1.9
4. Kelly • ARI 1.8
5. Acuna • ATL 1.7
6. Guerrero • TOR 1.6
7. Correa • HOU 1.6
8. Turner • WSN 1.6
9. Walsh • LAA 1.5
10. Mullins • BAL

[caflisch78]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Seems like Mikey should get POTM for April right?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Pretty sure Buxton / Acuna will win.

[k13]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ryan Howard had 279 homers in first 1000 games.
Destroys both of them.
Who cares.

Pujols had 266 home runs and way higher batting average.

So nothing special by Trout or Mantle.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by k13

Ryan Howard had 279 homers in first 1000 games.
Destroys both of them.
Who cares.

Pujols had 266 home runs and way higher batting average.

So nothing special by Trout or Mantle.

lol!!

[k13]

Originally Posted by IgnatiusJReilly

My thoughts exactly. He is approaching Bonds level hitting without the roids. Without some protection in the lineup he’s an easy walk every time. I think his BABIP is something near .600 at this point in the season. Amazing!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Don't embarrass yourself like that.

Beyond laughable.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by k13

Ryan Howard had 279 homers in first 1000 games.
Destroys both of them.
Who cares.

Pujols had 266 home runs and way higher batting average.

So nothing special by Trout or Mantle.

Ryan Howard... lol


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk