✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by hammertime

That's one mean green!

Just trying to keep up with your meaner blue

In the hail Mary event he signs with the Jays, I expect them to match Ike's offer and rename all locations to Sho Hortons.

[metsandweezer]

Via betonline

Shohei Ohtani Next Team (If not Angels)
07:00 AM
Los Angeles Dodgers
-150
Toronto Blue Jays
+400
San Francisco Giants
+400
Atlanta Braves
+600
Chicago Cubs
+600
New York Mets
+1600

[Ferg1945]

If he goes back to the Angels will that kill any of his value?

Winning clearly won't be a priority if it happens.

[Trueblue]

Only way he goes back to the halos is if it's part of a rehab plan to stay as a TWP with an obvious opt out clause. That could be a viable option for him if other teams aren't taking his rehab needs seriously or don't believe in him as a TWP. What's more important - TWP or winning? Only sho knows.

[fulltritty]

Shohei Ohtani's secretive free agency is a missed opportunity for him and MLB

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...gers-blue-jays

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by hammertime

I have to imagine part of the 2-3 hours was spent on what Shohei was ok with them divulging. Dave Roberts isn't an idiot.

Sounds like he may not have had the Dodgers blessing to talk about it.

General manager Brandon Gomes admitted a few hours later that he was surprised Roberts had confirmed the meetings, refusing to comment on them himself.

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by metsandweezer

Via betonline

Shohei Ohtani Next Team (If not Angels)
07:00 AM
Los Angeles Dodgers
-150
Toronto Blue Jays
+400
San Francisco Giants
+400
Atlanta Braves
+600
Chicago Cubs
+600
New York Mets
+1600

If I lived in a betting state, I'd put a mortgage on the dodgers with those odds.

[ddearing]

Pretty excited to pick this up this weekend.

IMG_8463 by Dan Dearing, on Flickr

[ThoseBackPages]

SICK!

[sakibomb523]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Shohei Ohtani's secretive free agency is a missed opportunity for him and MLB

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...gers-blue-jays

Shohei's a private person. Why did Olney think this would change? He is just salty that Ohtani has zero interest New York.

[hammertime]

The Ohtani/Acuna dual auto was such an awesome card, but I think the fact that they both were (unanimous) MVPs this year bumps it up to legendary status.

Here are a few recent pickups for me. I downgraded my 2021 black from a 10 to a 9 because this one is 17/70 which I'm kind of a sucker for, and I made enough profit selling the 10 to basically get the 9 for free.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by hammertime

The Ohtani/Acuna dual auto was such an awesome card, but I think the fact that they both were (unanimous) MVPs this year bumps it up to legendary status.

Here are a few recent pickups for me. I downgraded my 2021 black from a 10 to a 9 because this one is 17/70 which I'm kind of a sucker for, and I made enough profit selling the 10 to basically get the 9 for free.

Nice! Finest is always great and you beat my safety snipe bid on the AS red. Great pickup!

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by sakibomb523

Shohei's a private person. Why did Olney think this would change? He is just salty that Ohtani has zero interest New York.

I think he's silently saying he's Trout 2.0. He could be the biggest face of baseball in forever and yet he's too private a person to let that happen. He could go to an East Coast team and be in the limelight so much more, but that doesn't seem to be Ohtani. It's hard for the league to compete with the most popular players in football and basketball as faces of the game when some of the best MLB players don't want to put themselves out there.

And since he's a private person, he would never make it in New York so it's probably a good thing he doesn't want to play there.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by sakibomb523

Shohei's a private person. Why did Olney think this would change? He is just salty that Ohtani has zero interest New York.

People are making fun of Ohtani’s approach to secrecy, but why not test the trust of the team that you’re going to be spending the next 10-12 years with? If the Jays show the most respect, they become that more attractive to Ohtani.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Shohei Ohtani's secretive free agency is a missed opportunity for him and MLB

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...gers-blue-jays

Translation: My meal ticket isn't cooperating in the manner I feel I'm entitled to.

Such a cringey article.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by bub838

Translation: My meal ticket isn't cooperating in the manner I feel I'm entitled to.



Such a cringey article.

Yup, all those "insiders" are upset because they have no inside info.

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[ddearing]

A little off topic, but something that I am sure someone here can explain to me. Or at least this surprised me from what I had expected.

I was looking at pop reports this morning on Ohtani's flagship rookie options. Generally speaking for flagship, we accept that the print run on Series 1 is the largest, followed by Series 2 and then Update. Print run on base cards for Series 1 and 2 are compounded by all the factory sets out there. I was fully expecting the Pop Report to show 2X as many Ohtani Series 2 (#700) graded when compared the Update (#US1), but that isn't the case. Both cards gem at about 60% BTW.
#700 - 7,377 PSA 10's
#US1 - 12,091 PSA 10's

Do you think that there is/was more Update produced than Series 2 and factory sets? Maybe, but I think that's unlikely. Do we think that just a much higher percentage of Update that was made has already been opened? Maybe? Both cards bring enough of a premium that I expect a high percentage of the clean copies will end up getting graded.

Also, for a point of reference, there are 6,174 Topps Update 2011 Mike Trout PSA 10's with a 46% Gem Rate.
There are 1,238 Ohtani #700 PSA 10's "Complete Set version" with a 50% Gem Rate. If you assume that someone breaking complete sets for grading purposes would have graded both the Ohtani's in there with similar results, then only about 6,000 of the #700 PSA 10's came from packs which just feels really low to me compared to Update.
There are 22,445 Topps Update PSA 10 Acuna with similar gem rates which tells us that there were a lot of people opening update to grade Acuna, but didn't great the Ohtani's, so I expect the Update number to climb more from it's current amount once people pull those Ohtani's out of their storage boxes.

[imbluestreak23]

I'm not sure but Update seemed to be a much cleaner product than Series 2. Gem rates may be equivalent but the grader still has to vet the cards for grading and submit clean copies. Update though did seem to have a much cleaner/crisper cut compared to the other Topps releases that year.

[kellmuff]

I dont think people realize how much money the Jays owners have. Now getting them to actually spend it is another thing.

All that being said, Toronto is a very global city and I think that'll always be appealing to international players. Plus being paid in USD makes their money go further and the country is a lot safer for families, etc.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by ddearing

A little off topic, but something that I am sure someone here can explain to me. Or at least this surprised me from what I had expected.

I was looking at pop reports this morning on Ohtani's flagship rookie options. Generally speaking for flagship, we accept that the print run on Series 1 is the largest, followed by Series 2 and then Update. Print run on base cards for Series 1 and 2 are compounded by all the factory sets out there. I was fully expecting the Pop Report to show 2X as many Ohtani Series 2 (#700) graded when compared the Update (#US1), but that isn't the case. Both cards gem at about 60% BTW.
#700 - 7,377 PSA 10's
#US1 - 12,091 PSA 10's

Do you think that there is/was more Update produced than Series 2 and factory sets? Maybe, but I think that's unlikely. Do we think that just a much higher percentage of Update that was made has already been opened? Maybe? Both cards bring enough of a premium that I expect a high percentage of the clean copies will end up getting graded.

Also, for a point of reference, there are 6,174 Topps Update 2011 Mike Trout PSA 10's with a 46% Gem Rate.
There are 1,238 Ohtani #700 PSA 10's "Complete Set version" with a 50% Gem Rate. If you assume that someone breaking complete sets for grading purposes would have graded both the Ohtani's in there with similar results, then only about 6,000 of the #700 PSA 10's came from packs which just feels really low to me compared to Update.
There are 22,445 Topps Update PSA 10 Acuna with similar gem rates which tells us that there were a lot of people opening update to grade Acuna, but didn't great the Ohtani's, so I expect the Update number to climb more from it's current amount once people pull those Ohtani's out of their storage boxes.

Update is usually a bit higher PR than Series 2 - but that's only when not taking into account factory sets, which can't be pinned down to a specific PR (thanks to the basic version of the set with no numbered inserts).

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseballcar...ough_the_past/

Check one of the comments for methodology, if you're interested. The guy did good work.

[Trueblue]

S2 condition was definitely tougher than update. Look no further than the gem rate on the #700 hand on helmet SSP versus both US1 SSPs. Same with pretty much all #700 numbered parallels - it's just a tougher set across the board.

Most of the #700 base gems came from complete sets, not packs. The #700 complete set vertical pitching Ohtani was a cello pack at the end so it was susceptible to damage.

Will also add that the complete set Walmart version (with chrome insert) often had damaged Ohtanis because of the square shaped box that caused the two rows to rattle and smash against each other. So only the base set (RC variation), red (hobby foilboard), and orange (target relic) set were clean shots at a gem.

[ThoseBackPages]

Ohtani (like everyone else applicable) only has one Flagship Rookie Card

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Ohtani (like everyone else applicable) only has one Flagship Rookie Card

Long live #700!

[parkerj33]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Long live #700!

I agree...for me its S2 700, chrome 150. With us285/hmt32 as nice batting supplements.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

I agree...for me its S2 700, chrome 150. With us285/hmt32 as nice batting supplements.

I agree with this but also would add BC #1 and B #49

There's a Shohei RC for everyone lol