Elly De La Cruz

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by awz50

And if he hits a hr and steals a base his base cards are worth 100

Now if you just throw hard and can take a walk...you too can have a $100 base card

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Now if you just throw hard and can take a walk...you too can have a $100 base card

What if you can only do one of those things? Of hitters with 300 plate appearances, Elly is ranked T153, tied with legendary walk taker Ozzie Albies.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by whitmm

What if you can only do one of those things? Of hitters with 300 plate appearances, Elly is ranked T153, tied with legendary walk taker Ozzie Albies.

Oh I definitely know Elly doesnt walk. Just saying in today's hobby if you can throw hard from the infield grass, you can get pumped.

[ThoseBackPages]

i think he will be on the 2024 S1 Packaging

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Hey, why don’t you leave Elly alone!

Sincerely,

Anthony Volpe

I keep seeing him come out such that the lack of bashing volpe is somehow unfair to Elly. Ignoring the fact that volpe has been better then de May Cruz for the year and much much better recently nobody has made a single post in the volpe thread for the entire month vs this thread where it’s instant pump or bump literally every single extra base hit? Hard throw or stolen base. Additionally there are numerous posts in both the volpe and Yankees thread of people saying he should be sent down or isn’t ready for AAA. Here I said he should be sent down a month ago and was Basically treated like I was crazy. Since then he’s been one of the worst players in baseball. While tbag doesn’t mean he should be sent down to work on stuff it certainly opens up the door for at least having s reasonable conversation about it.

[JWBlue]

Wish I had some serious money to invest right now. It would go to DLC.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Wish I had some serious money to invest right now. It would go to DLC.

What would you invest in? K's per game? Throw speed? Times mentioned on Sportscenter?

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

What would you invest in? K's per game? Throw speed? Times mentioned on Sportscenter?

Specialness


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[vwnut13]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Since July 9th (183 PA)

39 games
.185 batting average
.254 On Base Percentage
.377 slugging percentage
162 At Bats
30 hits
2 double
4 Triples
7 Home Runs
17 rbi's
6 stolen bases

For comparison, Aristides Aquinio in his first 182 PA of the 2021 season.

.188 batting average
.302 On Base Percentage
.416 slugging percentage
154 At Bats
29 hits
6 double
1 Triples
9 Home Runs
20 rbi's
1 stolen base

[brios8]

Originally Posted by vwnut13

For comparison, Aristides Aquinio in his first 182 PA of the 2021 season.

.188 batting average
.302 On Base Percentage
.416 slugging percentage
154 At Bats
29 hits
6 double
1 Triples
9 Home Runs
20 rbi's
1 stolen base

Pretty much Aquino with more speed and a better arm, with less walks

and people still arent selling

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by vwnut13

For comparison, Aristides Aquinio in his first 182 PA of the 2021 season.

.188 batting average
.302 On Base Percentage
.416 slugging percentage
154 At Bats
29 hits
6 double
1 Triples
9 Home Runs
20 rbi's
1 stolen base

For comparison, Mike Schmidt in his first 2 seasons:

1972:

40 PA
.206 BA
.325 OBP
.294 SLG
1 HR
3 RBI
0 SB

1973:

443 PA
.196 BA
.324 OBP
.373 SLG
18 HR
52 RBI
8 SB

What's your point?


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[OhioLawyerF5]

Before you bring it up, Schmidt was near the top of the league in strikeouts in 73 and went on to lead the league in strikeouts the next 3 years. It was a different time with a different approach, but no one batted an eye at his strikeouts in 74-76 as he was leading the league in HR and getting MVP votes.

The reality is that if you are trying to draw comparisons in baseball on less than a season of baseball, you are only demonstrating your lack of baseball understanding.

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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Before you bring it up, Schmidt was near the top of the league in strikeouts in 73 and went on to lead the league in strikeouts the next 3 years. It was a different time with a different approach, but no one batted an eye at his strikeouts in 74-76 as he was leading the league in HR and getting MVP votes.

The reality is that if you are trying to draw comparisons in baseball on less than a season of baseball, you are only demonstrating your lack of baseball understanding.

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He also walked 100+ times those 3 years. His k-rate those 3 years were 24.3%, 32.0%, and 25.5%. He also led the league in slg in 1974.

You can sit here and point out hall of famers that had somewhat slow starts all you want. The fact is, prospects turn into busts and okay to good players far more often than they do superstars.

The fact is, Elly has some holes in his offense and hasn't exactly been showing any signs that he's making adjustments.

[49ersSF]

Just simply playing the odds, Baseball history has plenty of Aristides Aquinio's and only a rare once-a-decade-at-best Mike Schmidt.

The odds are so far stacked against any player achieving what Mike Schmidt achieved in his career.

Personally, I like Elly and like watching him play. But, I also am a realist and tire of the influencers in these threads with the fake hype/pump simply to increase interest for card sales. In a year none of these people will care less about Elly and his potential/star appeal as the next big hype/pump will be ready to take his place.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by whitmm

He also walked 100+ times those 3 years. His k-rate those 3 years were 24.3%, 32.0%, and 25.5%. He also led the league in slg in 1974.



You can sit here and point out hall of famers that had somewhat slow starts all you want. The fact is, prospects turn into busts and okay to good players far more often than they do superstars.



The fact is, Elly has some holes in his offense and hasn't exactly been showing any signs that he's making adjustments.

My point is it's too early to judge. Schmidt showed no signs of adjustment through a season and a half, 483 PA. That's 3 times the time you've given Elly. It's just ignorant.

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[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Just simply playing the odds, Baseball history has plenty of Aristides Aquinio's and only a rare once-a-decade-at-best Mike Schmidt.

The odds are so far stacked against any player achieving what Mike Schmidt achieved in his career.

Personally, I like Elly and like watching him play. But, I also am a realist and tire of the influencers in these threads with the fake hype/pump simply to increase interest for card sales. In a year none of these people will care less about Elly and his potential/star appeal as the next big hype/pump will be ready to take his place.

I'm not aware of anyone pumping his cards in this thread. That's an excuse. But you are now about the 4th person who posts negativity in this thread who has admitted you only do it because you don't like the fact that others hype him and feel some compulsion to dampen it. Which is pathetic, really.

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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

My point is it's too early to judge. Schmidt showed no signs of adjustment through a season and a half, 483 PA. That's 3 times the time you've given Elly. It's just ignorant.

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And if there were BO forums back then, people would have been saying the same stuff. Quit acting like everyone was patient with guys back before social media was a thing. I guarantee you people were saying Mike Schmidt needs to be better during that first full season. They were 30 games out of first when he was called up for a couple games in 1972, and I'm sure people were talking about things he needed to improve then as well

[ThoseBackPages]

i think he will be on the 24 S1 packaging

[ScooterD]

Another player thread - made for the purpose of having those who enjoy him and his cards to convene - overtaken by negativity from those bothered by the fact that his card values on the secondary market don’t appear to be in line with his output on the field.

They call you pumpers - you call them trolls.

While perceived pumping may be annoying to some, trolling (perceived or otherwise) is not condoned on these boards, per the rules. If the parties on both sides of the disagreement are right, only one should be suspended or banned.

This behavior is ruining all player threads for their intended purpose… Elly, Vlad, Jasson, Acuna, Judge, Trout, etc.

[ThoseBackPages]

i really feel that the mathers dont attend games in person.

to say that Elly needs to be sent down to the minor leagues only confirms this.

[jhssketchcards]

Blowout in a nutshell:
People clinging to hopes that Elly becomes the baseball god of their dreams for years to come while ignoring guys like Spencer Steer, Matt McLain and Will Benson who actually are consistent and contributing offensively. If Cincy contends into the postseason their management will want to push hard to win next year. Their patience for a SS hitting .245 with sub .300 OBA and sub .450 SLG. will wear out.
Fast or not.


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[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i really feel that the mathers dont attend games in person.

to say that Elly needs to be sent down to the minor leagues only confirms this.

Anyone that watched the game last night I’m sure will say the same thing . He can’t hit Kyle Harrison. Just no chance end of discussion. Whether that means he should be sent down to work on stuff or remain with the club is up for debate

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Blowout in a nutshell:
People clinging to hopes that Elly becomes the baseball god of their dreams for years to come while ignoring guys like Spencer Steer, Matt McLain and Will Benson


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sounds like the hobby as a whole.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Anyone that watched the game last night I’m sure will say the same thing . He can’t hit Kyle Harrison. Just no chance end of discussion. Whether that means he should be sent down to work on stuff or remain with the club is up for debate

Tomorrow Never Knows indeed.

i will heed to the professionals and people that own the franchise though

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Tomorrow Never Knows indeed.

i will heed to the professionals and people that own the franchise though

As an angels fan that’s very hard to do