Elly De La Cruz

[49ersSF]

Originally Posted by fredo

This /25 of the same card is $16K on Goldin with > 20 days left!

Earlier this year Casey Schmitt had the influencers pumping like mad. His Bowman Chrome /25 auto was going for upwards of $10k. Now just a few months later the same card is fetching a couple hundred at best.

The fact is that there are maybe only 5 players per decade's worth long-term investments in the MLB. The rest all go down in flames. If people think Elly is going to be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer then they can gamble but the odds are so far stacked against it happening that you might as well just rip up your money.

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

My favorite shoes ever were my Nike Air Bo Jacksons. I had every pair of Jordans and several other popular shoes of the day, but those Air Bo Jacksons were amazing. I wore them until the soles fell off.

I remember selling those in the early part of my Nike career - Air Trainer SC high 3’s. The Bo’s were black and silver with the web tech in the side and the durabuck upper material you could not wear out so they lasted forever. Plus the #34 on back was also my college number but not by choice. Picked up 3 pairs for a whopping $9.99 each with my employee discount.

[packman80]

Don't think De La Cruz is every going to be a superstar but think he could be an above average player who hits .275 and gets 20-30 HR a year for Cincy. If that ends up being the case I think the Reds and their fans would be happy with that. Only ones not happy are the people investing in his cards pissed that they dumped all the cash into him for him not to double their investment.

[ObanMontecristo]

Wow, a lot of hate on this page. Why, because he strikes out? It’s what rookies do. If you look at the stats for the top 10 rookies who have compiled ABs, virtually all of them have 130+ Ks already this year: Carroll, Steer, Jung, Tovar, Gunnar, Volpe, Casas, Outman….the only exception is Yoshida, who came in as a vet from Japan. Not seeing why Elly gets more hate than all of them

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

Wow, a lot of hate on this page. Why, because he strikes out? It’s what rookies do. If you look at the stats for the top 10 rookies who have compiled ABs, virtually all of them have 130+ Ks already this year: Carroll, Steer, Jung, Tovar, Gunnar, Volpe, Casas, Outman….the only exception is Yoshida, who came in as a vet from Japan. Not seeing why Elly gets more hate than all of them

6 of those players are hobby irrelevant.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

Wow, a lot of hate on this page. Why, because he strikes out? It’s what rookies do. If you look at the stats for the top 10 rookies who have compiled ABs, virtually all of them have 130+ Ks already this year: Carroll, Steer, Jung, Tovar, Gunnar, Volpe, Casas, Outman….the only exception is Yoshida, who came in as a vet from Japan. Not seeing why Elly gets more hate than all of them

Don't mind the 50 less games that Elly has played to get to around the same K number.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

Wow, a lot of hate on this page. Why, because he strikes out? It’s what rookies do. If you look at the stats for the top 10 rookies who have compiled ABs, virtually all of them have 130+ Ks already this year: Carroll, Steer, Jung, Tovar, Gunnar, Volpe, Casas, Outman….the only exception is Yoshida, who came in as a vet from Japan. Not seeing why Elly gets more hate than all of them

His average has gone down each month. His OPS has gone down. Steer and McClain, even Benson are more relevant to that lineup offensively. They figured it out.


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[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

Wow, a lot of hate on this page. Why, because he strikes out? It’s what rookies do. If you look at the stats for the top 10 rookies who have compiled ABs, virtually all of them have 130+ Ks already this year: Carroll, Steer, Jung, Tovar, Gunnar, Volpe, Casas, Outman….the only exception is Yoshida, who came in as a vet from Japan. Not seeing why Elly gets more hate than all of them

Elly 109 Ks in 290 ABs
Carroll 100 Ks in 452 ABs
Steer 110 Ks in 474 ABs
Jung 135 Ks in 427 ABs
Tovar 131 Ks in 461 ABs
Henderson 128 Ks in 430 ABs
Volpe 130 Ks in 431 ABs
Casas 109 Ks in 374 ABs
Outman 145 Ks in 383 ABs

Outman is the only guy you named you have an argument with, and he's a 26 year old rookie.

[jhssketchcards]

It’s laughable that when real stats are pointed out it’s considered hate. So does that mean when I talk to friends about my favorite players struggling I’m hating on them? When exactly did BO become the home of sensitive feelings? Maybe some need a therapy animal to snuggle with.


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[packman80]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

It’s laughable that when real stats are pointed out it’s considered hate. So does that mean when I talk to friends about my favorite players struggling I’m hating on them? When exactly did BO become the home of sensitive feelings? Maybe some need a therapy animal to snuggle with.


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I think this can come from any fanbase. If you talk about how any fan favorite is struggling and playing bad the homer fan base will come to the defense and start calling you a hater. Has happened to me when I have talked about Green Bay Packers players who were playing bad and I called them out on it just for the homer fans say I must hate that player and not a real fan because I am not like them and just a blind homer who will cheer no matter what.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by packman80

I think this can come from any fanbase. If you talk about how any fan favorite is struggling and playing bad the homer fan base will come to the defense and start calling you a hater. Has happened to me when I have talked about Green Bay Packers players who were playing bad and I called them out on it just for the homer fans say I must hate that player and not a real fan because I am not like them and just a blind homer who will cheer no matter what.

That’s seriously a lack of maturity. Sports fans have always been critical, even fans of their own team. Or it used to be that way. I know I’ve always called out guys on teams I root for. But I also didn’t spend big money on prospects or “hot start” rookies that fizzle.


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[Anarchy99]

if a prospect doesnt go 2 for 4 every game with a HR and SB, he sucks according to Blowout and his cards should not be worth more than $3

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by Anarchy99

if a prospect doesnt go 2 for 4 every game with a HR and SB, he sucks according to Blowout and his cards should not be worth more than $3

If any player who isn’t pumped by BO does the same he sucks and isn’t worth collecting. There are guys who are on their way to Cooperstown who are in value boxes at shows while prospects who barely graduated high school or in the minors selling for thousands.


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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

Wow, a lot of hate on this page. Why, because he strikes out? It’s what rookies do. If you look at the stats for the top 10 rookies who have compiled ABs, virtually all of them have 130+ Ks already this year: Carroll, Steer, Jung, Tovar, Gunnar, Volpe, Casas, Outman….the only exception is Yoshida, who came in as a vet from Japan. Not seeing why Elly gets more hate than all of them

Elly has the highest K rate among those 9, not counting Yoshida in any of this. Elly has the second lowest batting average among those 9, only ahead of Volpe. Elly is 7th in walk rate. Elly is 7th in OPS. He's 8th in wRC+. He's 8th in hard hit rate. He's first in ground ball rate. He's 6th in stolen base sucess, Casas has zero attempts.

The Volpe thread is pretty much dead here. He's a Yankee shortstop, of course there's going to be a ton of hype around him. It's quickly cooled off when he stopped putting up numbers.

You say virtually all of them have 130+ strikeouts this year? 4 of them are at 130+ and Gunnar is at 128. So half are at that number, that isn't "virtually all of them"

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Elly has the highest K rate among those 9, not counting Yoshida in any of this. Elly has the second lowest batting average among those 9, only ahead of Volpe. Elly is 7th in walk rate. Elly is 7th in OPS. He's 8th in wRC+. He's 8th in hard hit rate. He's first in ground ball rate. He's 6th in stolen base sucess, Casas has zero attempts.

The Volpe thread is pretty much dead here. He's a Yankee shortstop, of course there's going to be a ton of hype around him. It's quickly cooled off when he stopped putting up numbers.

You say virtually all of them have 130+ strikeouts this year? 4 of them are at 130+ and Gunnar is at 128. So half are at that number, that isn't "virtually all of them"

Good points. I will add that while Volpe is batting at a low clip, he is on the verge of a 20/20 season.
He needs some polishing too.


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[Archangel1775]

Around and around we go.

Elly needs to open a food truck and sell empanadas.

[imbluestreak23]

Elly was a great player to flip while in AA.

Glad his hot first month gave a window of grace to unload some bigger cards I resubbed, but yeah, the strategy with all these guys is to dump 99% of them pre call up and move on.

Take the bass hits, not the Ks, pun intended

[Zauron]

I swear the Reds fans and Elly fanbois are something else defending Elly.

He was fantastic to start, slashing .307/.358/.523 in June with 9 steals, although he did strike out 29 times this month

July he started to struggle slashing .238/.277/.410 with 8 steals, 3 caught stealing...however 39 strikeouts to 5 walks in 105 at bats

August so far? Slashing .196/.271/.402 with 41 strikeouts already in 97 at bats. He's striking out in nearly half his at bats.

[Absknicks]

Always be skeptical of prospects who were striking out 33% of the time in A-ball less than a calendar year before making their MLB debut.

He's still super early on in his development process. Range of outcomes is all over the place.

[hermanotarjeta]

People need to give players three years to really make judgment.

Unfortunately, the hobby only gives players three weeks to three months before making judgment.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

People need to give players three years to really make judgment.

Unfortunately, the hobby only gives players three weeks to three months before making judgment.

It would probably benefit Elly tremendously to go back to the minors and take a breather.
It may just be exactly what he needs.
It's not a slight on Elly, just reality.
Lots of players go back down to work on their flaws.

Right now Elly has obvious flaws he needs to work on.

I hope he figures it out.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by corndog

It would probably benefit Elly tremendously to go back to the minors and take a breather.
It may just be exactly what he needs.
It's not a slight on Elly, just reality.
Lots of players go back down to work on their flaws.

Right now Elly has obvious flaws he needs to work on.

I hope he figures it out.

Hey, why don’t you leave Elly alone!

Sincerely,

Anthony Volpe

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

People need to give players three years to really make judgment.

Unfortunately, the hobby only gives players three weeks to three months before making judgment.

People…

Fans? Yes.
Collectors/investors? No.


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[callou2131]

Originally Posted by corndog

It would probably benefit Elly tremendously to go back to the minors and take a breather.
It may just be exactly what he needs.
It's not a slight on Elly, just reality.
Lots of players go back down to work on their flaws.

Right now Elly has obvious flaws he needs to work on.

I hope he figures it out.

Agree 100%. Grayson Rodriguez was hot garbage at the beginning of the year. Was sent back down, worked on his issue, then called back up. he has been lights out since then. Rodriguez logged a 7.35 ERA over his first 10 MLB starts. Since returning has posted a 2.83 ERA over eight starts, the most recent of which being his 1 hit 6 innings

[awz50]

Originally Posted by Anarchy99

if a prospect doesnt go 2 for 4 every game with a HR and SB, he sucks according to Blowout and his cards should not be worth more than $3

And if he hits a hr and steals a base his base cards are worth 100