Running CGC (old CSG) Order Tracker

[kon jelly]

Got a couple of big cards coming back, pretty happy with them:

[imbluestreak23]

2 9 subgrades = 9.5

That's the first I've seen

[kon jelly]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

2 9 subgrades = 9.5

That's the first I've seen

Same here. I thought it had to be three 9.5s to be a 9.5 overall, but I'm not going to complain.

[mnvikingstwins]

5 out of 493 got 10s on no sub order, 2 of them AG Cryptocurrency cards which is nice

[PunsRTonsOfFun]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

2 9 subgrades = 9.5

That's the first I've seen

I actually have one and I bought it because it was the only one I've seen. I'm sad to learn it's not a 1/1.

[jrinne17]

Got lucky on this order. Randomly selected into their new process.
Bulk order, 50 cards
Shipped December 29th 2021
Received January 5th 2022
Shipped today 2/21/2022

[vonhayes]

Received: 1/10/2022
Shipped: 2/18/2022
Results: 55-card Bulk

9.5 = 15
9.0 = 10
8.5 =10
8 = 4
7.5 = 5
<5.5 = 11 (most were vintage)

Really happy with the results.Their surface grade is a killer. Here are a few of my favs. I’ll post some other pics in vintage section.












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[mrgant]

They seem to returning economy orders in around a week. Their site says "40 days", but I have had two recently with around 1-week turnaround times.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by mrgant

They seem to returning economy orders in around a week. Their site says "40 days", but I have had two recently with around 1-week turnaround times.

Wow!! Bulk says 89 days. Clearly the early rush of cards are complete. I wonder if they are having a dip in submissions. How many of those early adopters have stopped or similar to myself who haven't done a second one?

Sale value on CSG still seems to be lacking.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Wow!! Bulk says 89 days. Clearly the early rush of cards are complete. I wonder if they are having a dip in submissions. How many of those early adopters have stopped or similar to myself who haven't done a second one?

Sale value on CSG still seems to be lacking.

SGC is being pumped up by YouTube influencers and Peter has been using social media to his benefit. CSG is all negative at this point. People are waiting for new labels and slabs, things don't sell because 90% of cards in CSG slabs are 25 cent cards, and CSG has hardly any positive YouTube videos right now. In today's society, you need a face of a company and CSG doesn't have one. Hell, everyone knows Tyler from HGA, but even the majority of people of CSG users don't even know the names of their lead graders. CSG is trying to build a reputation on grading alone, but that is not what people want. People want a figurehead of a company to follow. Why Tesla has been so successful with Musk.

The majority of cards were submitted at the $8 to $12 level and probably 90% of those submitters lost money. They were used to PSA ROI and they will never use CSG again with losing money. It wasn't CSG's fault, it was the idiots who submitted junk wax from 1990 because they thought it was vintage. If you submitted the card below, I am not sorry for calling you out. You are an idiot!

[KeltonB]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

SGC is being pumped up by YouTube influencers and Peter has been using social media to his benefit. CSG is all negative at this point. People are waiting for new labels and slabs, things don't sell because 90% of cards in CSG slabs are 25 cent cards, and CSG has hardly any positive YouTube videos right now. In today's society, you need a face of a company and CSG doesn't have one. Hell, everyone knows Tyler from HGA, but even the majority of people of CSG users don't even know the names of their lead graders. CSG is trying to build a reputation on grading alone, but that is not what people want. People want a figurehead of a company to follow. Why Tesla has been so successful with Musk.

I love the CSG slab (flip is another story) and the quality of the grading, but it seems I'm in a very small minority. I just got back from the Raleigh show and my SWAG is that of all the graded stuff there, PSA was 90% with HGA ahead of BGS and SGC rounding out the remaining 10%. Not a single CSG slab in the building - not a good sign over a year in. The fact there were more HGA slabs than SGC and BGS was interesting.

[discodanman45]

I would submit certain cards to CSG, but I think they are nickel and diming their customers. They really need a set price and not all these expensive add-ons. For $25 with subgrades, I would be tempted to use them without going bulk. However, they would need to do some of the stuff that SGC does for free. Not adding for autographs, thicker holders, and taking Hi resolution images.

I really wish they would grade Star basketball cards like BGS does. I thought with two of their lead graders coming over from BGS, they would have the expertise to do this. I have some Star cards I really want in slabs.

[KhalDrogo]

Joe Burrow card sales the last 30 days on eBay. Total sales and average per item.

PSA 14606, $341
SGC 1843, $175
HGA 1057, $187
CSG 990, $75
BGS 866, $1106
GMA 407, $47

Bad, bad look for CSG. Partnering with eBay and Fanatics will not save them. The mistakes they’ve made the past year are incomprehensible. But hardly surprising given who is running the show. They’ve got enough money to keep at it for awhile. But it’s going to be a sight to see when they have another dead booth at the National.

[oddstuff]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Joe Burrow card sales the last 30 days on eBay. Total sales and average per item.

PSA 14606, $341
SGC 1843, $175
HGA 1057, $187
CSG 990, $75
BGS 866, $1106
GMA 407, $47

Bad, bad look for CSG. Partnering with eBay and Fanatics will not save them. The mistakes they’ve made the past year are incomprehensible. But hardly surprising given who is running the show. They’ve got enough money to keep at it for awhile. But it’s going to be a sight to see when they have another dead booth at the National.

Interesting BGS doesn't have the volume...but they still get the big dollar cards sent to them. If they ever get to increasing capacity...

[jjcan]

Not bad if their turn around times are getting better. I may send in a batch for the Bulk at $7.20 card if they get back in under 3 months.

Not so much concerned about ROI for now. I have sold more than 200 slabs now out of 450. Ill take Burrow sales for $85 each when my cost is $15 (grade and card) all in. Less risk and very good multiplier all that matters to me.

I am making profits for the risk of cost which is low. Profit is Profit fine for me, and less out of pocket cost and cards even better.

My better cards waiting for PSA. Best of both worlds.

CSG has its purpose as long as they have good TAT, Collecting and for flipping.

[TheOneRingKing]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Joe Burrow card sales the last 30 days on eBay. Total sales and average per item.

PSA 14606, $341
SGC 1843, $175
HGA 1057, $187
CSG 990, $75
BGS 866, $1106
GMA 407, $47

Bad, bad look for CSG. Partnering with eBay and Fanatics will not save them. The mistakes they’ve made the past year are incomprehensible. But hardly surprising given who is running the show. They’ve got enough money to keep at it for awhile. But it’s going to be a sight to see when they have another dead booth at the National.

Curious is this just base for a certain card or factoring in all Burrow sales? If it is all then more than likely the big hit cards went to PSA or BGS and sold for more making the average a lot higher

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by jjcan

Not bad if their turn around times are getting better. I may send in a batch for the Bulk at $7.20 card if they get back in under 3 months.

Not so much concerned about ROI for now. I have sold more than 200 slabs now out of 450. Ill take Burrow sales for $85 each when my cost is $15 (grade and card) all in. Less risk and very good multiplier all that matters to me.

I am making profits for the risk of cost which is low. Profit is Profit fine for me, and less out of pocket cost and cards even better.

My better cards waiting for PSA. Best of both worlds.

CSG has its purpose as long as they have good TAT, Collecting and for flipping.

What CSG Burrow cards are you in to at $15 and out at $85? A Field Level CSG 9.5 sold for $81 shipped yesterday. Raw price is $35-40.

Originally Posted by TheOneRingKing

Curious is this just base for a certain card or factoring in all Burrow sales? If it is all then more than likely the big hit cards went to PSA or BGS and sold for more making the average a lot higher

It’s all cards. It’s meant to show that the market looks at CSG as a step above GMA right now.

[TheOneRingKing]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

What CSG Burrow cards are you in to at $15 and out at $85? A Field Level CSG 9.5 sold for $81 shipped yesterday. Raw price is $35-40.


It’s all cards. It’s meant to show that the market looks at CSG as a step above GMA right now.

That's a very easy bias as the BGS or PSA more than likely super high sales for the low numbered stuff and that gets thrown into the average.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by TheOneRingKing

That's a very easy bias as the BGS or PSA more than likely super high sales for the low numbered stuff and that gets thrown into the average.

Just ignore the BGS and PSA sales. The SGC/HGA sales should be concerning. It shows that CSG has either terrible resale, people submit low end cards, or a combination of both. CSG is much closer to GMA than HGA, that should be alarming.

[TheOneRingKing]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

What CSG Burrow cards are you in to at $15 and out at $85? A Field Level CSG 9.5 sold for $81 shipped yesterday. Raw price is $35-40.


It’s all cards. It’s meant to show that the market looks at CSG as a step above GMA right now.

Also if someone were to check all time greats and the sales recently for their top cards from the 80's, 90's and compare to PSA the sales prices are getting close.

[TheOneRingKing]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Just ignore the BGS and PSA sales. The SGC/HGA sales should be concerning. It shows that CSG has either terrible resale, people submit low end cards, or a combination of both. CSG is much closer to GMA than HGA, that should be alarming.

I'm not concerned about it since that is all modern overproduced and graded junk from Panini. In time CSG has come up in sale prices for Goats like Jordan, Kobe in some of the better cards

[TheOneRingKing]

Is these samples of averages from Cardladder or another app?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by TheOneRingKing

That's a very easy bias as the BGS or PSA more than likely super high sales for the low numbered stuff and that gets thrown into the average.

Everyone knows high end goes to PSA and BGS. With few exceptions, it does not go to CSG; in the last 30 days, there are only 9 CSG sales over $2500. While PSA does high-end, they also do enormous volume at the lower end of the scale because people like the company and there’s profit to be made there.

Originally Posted by TheOneRingKing

Also if someone were to check all time greats and the sales recently for their top cards from the 80's, 90's and compare to PSA the sales prices are getting close.

Very generic statement. How about you name a few cards and I will tell you the sales?

Originally Posted by TheOneRingKing

Is these samples of averages from Cardladder or another app?

Terapeak

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by TheOneRingKing

I'm not concerned about it since that is all modern overproduced and graded junk from Panini. In time CSG has come up in sale prices for Goats like Jordan, Kobe in some of the better cards

Most of the Kobe and Jordan cards that people think are great are also overproduced as well. This is coming from someone that owns a lot of that graded stuff.

PSA 10 1996 Kobe's sell for $1600 pretty easily. There is a CSG 9.5 with subgrades sitting there at $650 on eBay for a long time with 22 watchers hoping to get it cheaper. A CSG 10 even sold last month at $1220 with bids. Much "harder" grade with lower populations, but far below a PSA 10 pricing. Why would you send a Gem Mint possible Kobe rookie to CSG over PSA right now?

Things have been tightening up with the 7 to 9 grades of all companies recently. CSG/SGC have been tightening the gap on those grade levels. If you know your card is at an 8 level, it doesn't matter as much these days. However, nothing can come close to a PSA 10, pop reports be damned. People want a PSA 10 slab and if your card has a chance at that, you are wasting your money with SGC/CSG.

[jkampis]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

With PSA opening back up, SGC/CSG will be hurting for submissions at their current price point. We will have cheaper grading with quicker turnaround times much quicker than anyone knows. I think the hobby will be in a good place for SGC/CSG. HGA and the 50 other startups from the past year will be all going out of business. BGS will be number 4, I have no idea what they are doing. It seems like Beckett just wants to go out of business.

I think this is a pretty good take on the situation.