✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Robles Fan]

I just picked this one up a few days ago. I found it to be just the right mix of being unique, delightfully tacky, and limited (# /25) all at the same time. So naturally of course, I had to get it...



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[BigSlim16]

From starting pitcher yesterday, to lead-off hitter today

[tblood]

I can’t afford the primo stuff, but I still love Ohtani variations!




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[tblood]

Originally Posted by Robles Fan

I just picked this one up a few days ago. I found it to be just the right mix of being unique, delightfully tacky, and limited (# /25) all at the same time. So naturally of course, I had to get it...



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Nice find! Anything showing Ohtani’s goofy side is good fun.


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[dodgerfanjohn]

So I pulled this one last year. Had it listed for a while at $435 and best offers I got were in the $200 range. Decided I’d rather hodl and moved the listing price up to $640 or so. Best offers I’ve now received was $350 and I’d still rather hold. There is a flaw with some minor debris in the window(it’s not chipping or scratching on the card itself.

I think I want to continue to hold, but it’s also looking as though prices may soon reach my listing price. Being Allen & Ginter I get that is not as desireable as other products, but I think it’s pretty nice.


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[al3xmac10]

[palmetto7]

Psa 10 Chrome Updates going for $350 and up?

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[sgbernard]

Do people collect Ohtani’s 2013 Japanese RCs. Have been eyeing one, not sure which to choose, but I kinda like them!

[jeff625]

Is Allen & Ginter really "not as desirable"? It's the main thing I like to collect, so I don't really see the whole market.

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

So I pulled this one last year. Had it listed for a while at $435 and best offers I got were in the $200 range. Decided I’d rather hodl and moved the listing price up to $640 or so. Best offers I’ve now received was $350 and I’d still rather hold. There is a flaw with some minor debris in the window(it’s not chipping or scratching on the card itself.

I think I want to continue to hold, but it’s also looking as though prices may soon reach my listing price. Being Allen & Ginter I get that is not as desireable as other products, but I think it’s pretty nice.


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[Frankish]

Originally Posted by sgbernard

Do people collect Ohtani’s 2013 Japanese RCs. Have been eyeing one, not sure which to choose, but I kinda like them!

Saying I'm a collector would be too kind, but I have a fair number. Since I collect old Japanese baseball cards, also, picking up some Ichiro and Ohtani RCs made sense to me. If you have one in particular you want to know about or have general questions, let me know. I'll tell you what I can.

[sgbernard]

Originally Posted by Frankish

Saying I'm a collector would be too kind, but I have a fair number. Since I collect old Japanese baseball cards, also, picking up some Ichiro and Ohtani RCs made sense to me. If you have one in particular you want to know about or have general questions, let me know. I'll tell you what I can.

Thank you! I guess,l I’m just seeing a lot of options. Is there one that’s considered more of a flagship card?

[JPWisco]

Originally Posted by sgbernard

Thank you! I guess,l I’m just seeing a lot of options. Is there one that’s considered more of a flagship card?

Probably his 2013 BBM cards. There's a hitting and pitching variant as well as some foil variants. For frame of reference, Ichiro's 1993 BBM is a pretty big card and his most well known Japanese RC.

[Finest]

Originally Posted by sgbernard

Do people collect Ohtani’s 2013 Japanese RCs. Have been eyeing one, not sure which to choose, but I kinda like them!

I'll repost what I posted earlier in the thread. Maybe I'll post this as it's own thread since many people are curious to his Japanese rc's.

Here is a list of his notable 2013 Japanese cards.

1. 2013 BBM 1st Version Shohei Ohtani RC #183
Think of it like the 1993 BBM Ichiro RC. Basically like Topps Flagship or Topps Chrome.




2. 2013 Calbee Star Cards Shohei Ohtani RC #S-61
No Ichiro Calbee RC. So this is basically like the 1993 Ichiro Tomy ID RC. Ichiro has many Calbee cards starting from 1994. Calbee has been around a long time and is an established brand. Great looking card btw.


3. 2013 Bandai Owner's League 02 Shohei Ohtani RC #71
Think of it like the 1993 Takara Ichiro RC. Another great looking card.



Other notables:
2013 BBM Rookie Edition #42. There's a Hitting card and Pitching card with the same card #.

2013 Calbee Exciting Rookie #D-07

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by jeff625

Is Allen & Ginter really "not as desirable"? It's the main thing I like to collect, so I don't really see the whole market.

While it’s not as bad as Finest and Archives, A&G is nowhere close to values of Flagship, Chrome, and Heritage.

[SumoMenkoMan]

Originally Posted by JPWisco

Probably his 2013 BBM cards. There's a hitting and pitching variant as well as some foil variants. For frame of reference, Ichiro's 1993 BBM is a pretty big card and his most well known Japanese RC.

BBM 2013 #183 is the one to have in my opinion.

[Frankish]

Originally Posted by JPWisco

Probably his 2013 BBM cards. There's a hitting and pitching variant as well as some foil variants. For frame of reference, Ichiro's 1993 BBM is a pretty big card and his most well known Japanese RC.

Yes, I think that is the most popular (and recognizable) card. The first ones I encountered were the 2013 BBM First Version #183 (pitching) and Second Version #554 (batting). They both strike me as classic cards. BBM also released a number of other sets that year. The BBM Rookie Edition premium set unsurprisingly has a number of great rookie cards. To my mind, card #42, which comes in both batting and pitching variations is the standard.

BBM and other Japanese card manufacturers over the years have generally had quite small print runs compared to their American counterparts, so some of these base cards themselves are pretty scarce. Should they become popular with US collectors, it wouldn't take a great deal of buyers to drive the prices up quickly.

For some sets there are also a range of parallels. The BBM Rookie set I mentioned has gold border/crop parallels and (I think) some facsimile autographs. There is supposed to be a single or maybe handful of true hand autographs cards but I've never seen one come to market. There are also some Jersey cards (home and away) and some photo and negative cards.

There are other sets, too, like BBM's Nippon-Ham, popular in Japan. And there are store/promo versions of some cards. Personally, I don't think they are as collectible. I'd stick with the classics and, if you want to invest in higher dollar cards, maybe the rookie set parallels.

Calbee is the other way to go (Japan's other major line of cards). I have a lot of Calbee cards going back to the early 70s but since the time Ichiro's RCs came out (1993), I've leaned towards the BBM cards myself.

Not sure if this is helpful or not. Hope it does.

Good luck!

[al3xmac10]

Lots of nice cards being shared!

Cold at the plate today;
Let's hope meeting his countryman Sawamura will give him some extra jolt in Boston!

[BigL7370]

Originally Posted by jeff625

Is Allen & Ginter really "not as desirable"? It's the main thing I like to collect, so I don't really see the whole market.

There is a difference between an in-person autograph vs. a pack pulled one - the IP has more limited appeal for those who collect only cards.

[BBases31]

Just as a heads up, that newly listed raw 2018 S2 Indy Day 17/76 was cracked out of an SGC 8.5 case.

[HarryLime]

Ha there was a mad run on the '18 Gold Label Class 1 cards yesterday. I bought a bunch and put even more on my watchlist only to wake up today to find all the stuff on my watchlist purchased. Might be one of those "fan favorite" cards like the '20 Stadium Club Chrome Soto that just gets a bananas following because of the pose(s).

Anyone have the wrapper odds for '18 Gold Label? I'd like to calculate how many blacks there are.

Arthur

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by Finest

I'll repost what I posted earlier in the thread. Maybe I'll post this as it's own thread since many people are curious to his Japanese rc's.

Here is a list of his notable 2013 Japanese cards.

1. 2013 BBM 1st Version Shohei Ohtani RC #183
Think of it like the 1993 BBM Ichiro RC. Basically like Topps Flagship or Topps Chrome.

What's the deal with the 2013 BBM #208? Says "SCM Original Card" on it?

[michaelstcloud]

I know this mustve been said many times here but I'm new.

Why are Ohtani's Pitching RCs trading at a big premium over his Hitting RCs?


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[tblood]

Originally Posted by hammertime

What's the deal with the 2013 BBM #208? Says "SCM Original Card" on it?

I went down a rabbit hole on that subject last night. It looks like it is a promo card for Sports Card Magazine released a few weeks ahead of 2013 BBM 1st Version set. I am unsure how it compares to the Red pack-pulled version in terms of print run or desirability. It appears to sell for a bit less than the Red version on average but prices are all over the place.

Japanese cards seem to be big on promo versions. Book stores, card shops, magazines, etc. I am curious how they will be viewed in the U.S. once Ohtani’s Japanese cards gain more popularity. Will they be regarded as promo cards only available outside of a set, or something closer to a parallel? I am guessing they won’t hold as much value as the pack-pulled versions, but with relatively low PR’s for both versions it might not be that big of a factor.


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[Frankish]

Originally Posted by michaelstcloud

I know this mustve been said many times here but I'm new.

Why are Ohtani's Pitching RCs trading at a big premium over his Hitting RCs?

My guess is that it's because if he is ultimately a baseball great (which is the only scenario that justifies today's prices, much less an increase from here) it will be because he is a very successful pitcher who also bats like a champ. If his pitching doesn't work out, he's unlikely to make the HOF as a DH or OF. So the pitching cards will be key. It's a leap but the simplest explanation I see, as I also prefer his pitching cards....

[Frankish]

Originally Posted by tblood

Japanese cards seem to be big on promo versions. Book stores, card shops, magazines, etc. I am curious how they will be viewed in the U.S. once Ohtani’s Japanese cards gain more popularity. Will they be regarded as promo cards only available outside of a set, or something closer to a parallel? I am guessing they won’t hold as much value as the pack-pulled versions, but with relatively low PR’s for both versions it might not be that big of a factor.

That's my conclusion as well. The promos may have lower print runs, but I don't think they will become the chased cards in the way low pop parallels from SU sets have (which ultimately determines value). As you suggest, the low PRs on the main set cards are enough to create scarcity if demand materializes....