Elly De La Cruz

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

You are such an altruistic saint. Thank you so much for your service. Your motivations are pure as the driven snow.

EDIT: But at least I see that it's pointless for us to ever engage again. You are looking at Elly from an investment standpoint. I couldn't care less about card prices other than hoping they are cheaper for me to buy my favorite players. I am a baseball fan first, and a card collector second. I never sell cards. Just buy those of my favorite players that I enjoy watching play the game. Your whole motivation is card prices. My whole motivation is enjoying the sport and my favorite players. That's why you will never see me in a thread of a player I am not a fan of making negative comments about that player or their performance. That's not what a fan does.

You do realize you’re posting this on a baseball card forum right? It’s not the reds fan page on twitter?

But to confirm you (or anyone) doesn’t want action on the Elly charity free roll bet?

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I've heard the "but he's going to be different" comment over and over.

He is different though. Sure, he has holes in his game that needs work, just like any young player in any sport has. The fact is his stature is different in that he's tall for a baseball player at 6'5, the fastest player in the league(sprint speed of 30.5 seconds) and has tremendous power based on exit velocity. That speed and power combination doesn't come around often. Look at the 40-40 and 30-30 club. The young buck stole 2nd, 3rd and home this year. That's not normal. No he's not Babe Ruth, Ted Williams or Shohei Ohtani but he's got the potential to stand out and be a special player. This is a hobby forum where people spend money. It could be $5 or $5000. I don't see anyone "QVC pumping" his card values but simply appreciating the player. Why the hate for not only the player but for fans?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

You do realize you’re posting this on a baseball card forum right? It’s not the reds fan page on twitter?

But to confirm you (or anyone) doesn’t want action on the Elly charity free roll bet?

I don't gamble. Find some action with someone else who clearly doesn't understand sample size.

But to address your first sentence: you realize there is more to baseball cards than prices, right? I can discuss baseball cards of players without it being about value and investment.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

He is different though. Sure, he has holes in his game that needs work, just like any young player in any sport has. The fact is his stature is different in that he's tall for a baseball player at 6'5, the fastest player in the league(sprint speed of 30.5 seconds) and has tremendous power based on exit velocity. That speed and power combination doesn't come around often. Look at the 40-40 and 30-30 club. The young buck stole 2nd, 3rd and home this year. That's not normal. No he's not Babe Ruth, Ted Williams or Shohei Ohtani but he's got the potential to stand out and be a special player. This is a hobby forum where people spend money. It could be $5 or $5000. I don't see anyone "QVC pumping" his card values but simply appreciating the player. Why the hate for not only the player but for fans?

Again, this stuff gets said about players all the time.

Yes, he currently has the highest sprint speed in the league. Dairon Blanco is .1 behind him, Bubba Thompson and Bobby Witt are .2 behind him. And he's not the fastest in terms of home to first. So yes, he's fast, but he's not the only one. Corbin Carroll had a higher sprint speed last year. Trea Turner and Tim Locastro finished the 2021 season at 30.7. So, is he really different?

You want to talk about the speed/power combination. There's a 40-40 thread here. There's about 5 guys that could threaten 30-30 this year, and that number could grow. These types of players are starting to become more common. Even moreso if you start looking at the 20/20 club.

I agree that if he can put it all together, he's going to be a very good player. I don't agree that he's different. Like I said, prospects come along every year that get the "he's different" treatment.

You asking about why the hate. It's not all hate. The high strike out rate and low launch angle are legit concerns. It's not hate just because someone doesn't share the exact same opinion that he's going to be the biggest star in the game. The same can be asked about the Elly fans and the amount of hate they show towards others here.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I don't gamble. Find some action with someone else who clearly doesn't understand sample size.

But to address your first sentence: you realize there is more to baseball cards than prices, right? I can discuss baseball cards of players without it being about value and investment.

Just so we're clear. You do understand that talking about baseball cards and players does include value and investment, right? Because you've gotten upset multiple times over people discussing that stuff, telling them to go elsewhere.

You know that you don't have to respond to those comments, right?

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Again, this stuff gets said about players all the time.



You want to talk about the speed/power combination. There's a 40-40 thread here. There's about 5 guys that could threaten 30-30 this year, and that number could grow. These types of players are starting to become more common. Even moreso if you start looking at the 20/20 club.

Like I said, prospects come along every year that get the "he's different" treatment.

In regards to speed/power, the 40-40 club is exclusive. I don't care how many people might get it. Those that actually achieved the feat is small. Elly's statistical sample size shows he has the ability, which is nice to consider.

As for prospects that people say are "different". There are two main factors. One is does the player have the performance ability to be the face of the franchise. The last is their marketability by MLB, the Reds and the media. The answer is yes to all.

The hobby is going to respond. I get having an opinion about his swing but the constant negativity is toxic.

[Dukefett]

I like him.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Dukefett

I like him.

HOW DaRE YOU!

[SupermanBrandon]

Honest assessment...he's got some exciting skills. He's also got some glaring holes (even with the small sample size). This offseason will be huge (for him professionally & his hobby appeal going forward). How does he adjust. How does the ego stand up or take over. How hard does he work. We're going to find out a lot about the player and the person from October-April. I will wait and see but I will be watching closely this offseason.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

In regards to speed/power, the 40-40 club is exclusive. I don't care how many people might get it. Those that actually achieved the feat is small. Elly's statistical sample size shows he has the ability, which is nice to consider.

As for prospects that people say are "different". There are two main factors. One is does the player have the performance ability to be the face of the franchise. The last is their marketability by MLB, the Reds and the media. The answer is yes to all.

The hobby is going to respond. I get having an opinion about his swing but the constant negativity is toxic.

Every year, there are prospects that fall into those two factors. This year is Elly. It's been Witt and Julio and Corbin the last couple years. It was Acuna and Tatis and Soto before them. Next year it will be someone else.

One of the best players in the game and the hobby of the last decade has been one of the least marketable players. Mike Trout has let the play on the field back up his stardom and his prices. While the injuries have kind of derailed the back half of his career, the 8-10 WAR seasons speak for themselves.

I wasn't trying to downplay the 40-40 club. I was using it as an example that he's not the only one with that potential. Which goes along with the hearing "he's different" for players all the time. And just like the speed, which you deleted out of my comment, he's fast, but he's not on some other level above everyone in the league. And there's others that are near the top in both. So, like I've said before, I hear these things about players every year.

His swing is the biggest issue in him becoming a superstar or just a solid player. So yeah, you're going to hear about it. All of that potential he has revolves around the swing. It's tough to hit 35-40 home runs when 50% of the balls you put in play are ground balls. It's tough to steal bases when you aren't getting on base. It's tough to do either of those when 1/3 of your at bats you aren't making contact.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

Never said dump him.....just the $$ spent on him seemed ridiculous and he'd have to be a hall of famer to make it worth it.

And I didn't quote you.

It's simply way to early to make any kind of determination about him.

[sandyfrank]

I am very upset that he cursed Shohei's elbow and Topps Now is making a card of it. Freaking EDLC

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by sandyfrank

I am very upset that he cursed Shohei's elbow and Topps Now is making a card of it. Freaking EDLC

LOL that was during game 2 when he already knew about the tear.

[alwayson22]

We moved to Nashville about a year ago, and my kids adopted the Reds. They love Elly. He's just unique (6'5" switch-hitter). I wonder how many players have received 80 power, 80 speed, 80 arm grades from the likes of Baseball America, Keith Law, etc.?

[Jman330]

Tonight didn’t help… oofff

[johnlocke36]

He faced an elite pitcher

[Jman330]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

He faced an elite pitcher

How about the other 66 games where’s he struck out LITERALLY 100x?

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by Jman330

How about the other 66 games where’s he struck out LITERALLY 100x?

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[Archangel1775]

Hahaha, he's such a looser. I hope everyone here looses all the money they spent on him.I hope he gets sent to the Korean League cause he strikes out a lot and is such a looser. Hahaha!

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Hahaha, he's such a looser. I hope everyone here looses all the money they spent on him.I hope he gets sent to the Korean League cause he strikes out a lot and is such a looser. Hahaha!

Loose - "not tight"
Lose - "fail to win"

I wonder if Elly knows the difference between the two words.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

He faced an elite pitcher

Which pitcher are you referring to? The starter that he laced a triple digits line drive off of that just happened to be unlucky and right at a player? Or the closer where he battled for 10 pitches before being rung up on a pitch that even the diamondbacks announcers says wasn't even close? Just want to clarify which situation you want to shoehorn your little narrative into.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Which pitcher are you referring to? The starter that he laced a triple digits line drive off of that just happened to be unlucky and right at a player? Or the closer where he battled for 10 pitches before being rung up on a pitch that even the diamondbacks announcers says wasn't even close? Just want to clarify which situation you want to shoehorn your little narrative into.

Lol the narratives you craft are hilarious. Yea he got screwed on that 3rd K but let’s ignore that since not an elite bullpen arm. He struck out on 4 pitches looking, struck out on 4 pitches looking and hit a very hard ball right at an infielder (launch angle matters). I wouldn’t really use that result as a see I told you so moment.

If he keeps hitting the ball hard, he’ll
Stop getting unlucky and the avg will climbS. Granted he is like 5th in baseball in babip (to be fair this is partially a result of his incredible speed)

[Grave252]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Which pitcher are you referring to? The starter that he laced a triple digits line drive off of that just happened to be unlucky and right at a player?

I haven't been apart of this thread and have no skin in the Elly game, but this is a comical excuse. It's unlucky that he hit it right at a player? Imagine a player angling for a new contract and he went to the GM and said, sure my average is .xxx, but it would be .100 pts higher if the defenders weren't standing where I hit the ball, I am so unlucky!

That's how baseball works. Hitting the ball where someone is standing is not unlucky.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Triple B

Loose - "not tight"
Lose - "fail to win"

I wonder if Elly knows the difference between the two words.

Your correct

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Grave252

I haven't been apart of this thread and have no skin in the Elly game, but this is a comical excuse. It's unlucky that he hit it right at a player? Imagine a player angling for a new contract and he went to the GM and said, sure my average is .xxx, but it would be .100 pts higher if the defenders weren't standing where I hit the ball, I am so unlucky!

That's how baseball works. Hitting the ball where someone is standing is not unlucky.

In a sample of one at bat, yes, it's unlucky to hit a ball 100+ mph right at someone. That's how baseball works. Guessing you never played if you think otherwise. The firstbaseman is standing 1 foot the other direction and that's a triple and this conversation is different. Again, if you think a player even remotely has the ability to pinpoint a 100 mph line drive within a single foot, therefore removing all luck from the equation, you have never picked up a bat.