Elly De La Cruz

[Jwax13]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

How many are regretting their De La Cruz purchases over the past 1-2 months? I just wish I had the cards during that time period to sell the overhyped Red.

I bought this for 3K locally. I do not regret it.

https://goldin.co/item/2022-panini-d...ocity-rpsy39q8

[Slvnumber2]

I learned something new in this thread. Only hits and HR’s against good pitchers count in your stats. Does that mean SB’s against pitchers who are 1.6 and slower to home or catchers with a pop time of 2.0 or greater don’t count either �� Truly some of the funniest stuff on the web exists in this thread - either trolls or haters but always amusing.

[Handsome Wes]

So I got a blue parallel version of an Elly de la Cruz Topps Now card. It's one of 49 (maybe 490).

Hold or sell? It's not graded. Recent transactions on eBay have it somewhere between $70 and $100.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

I learned something new in this thread. Only hits and HR’s against good pitchers count in your stats. Does that mean SB’s against pitchers who are 1.6 and slower to home or catchers with a pop time of 2.0 or greater don’t count either �� Truly some of the funniest stuff on the web exists in this thread - either trolls or haters but always amusing.

Can you not see the implications for such a split. Besides the fact that pitchers are getting more and more elite with teams having more and more elite bullpen arms coming into games earlier, he will likely have less at bats in the future vs Tyler Anderson, Andre Jackson and Noah Davis types in the future.

More importantly, one of the best chances he has for a huge pump in near future would be having a big post season, in the post season he will only face elite arms, if these games happen they will likely be the last thing in people’s mind heading j to the offseason and have a decent impact on his prices

It also means there is an element of luck to his overall results. Take for example today, he had one of his best games of the year (despite the 3 Ks). It lets be honest if ohtani doesn’t leave with arm soreness who thinks he’s not going 0-4 with 3 Ks.

[Gthompson1978]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Can you not see the implications for such a split. Besides the fact that pitchers are getting more and more elite with teams having more and more elite bullpen arms coming into games earlier, he will likely have less at bats in the future vs Tyler Anderson, Andre Jackson and Noah Davis types in the future.

More importantly, one of the best chances he has for a huge pump in near future would be having a big post season, in the post season he will only face elite arms, if these games happen they will likely be the last thing in people’s mind heading j to the offseason and have a decent impact on his prices

It also means there is an element of luck to his overall results. Take for example today, he had one of his best games of the year (despite the 3 Ks). It lets be honest if ohtani doesn’t leave with arm soreness who thinks he’s not going 0-4 with 3 Ks.

IF such a big word, IF a frog had wings, IF Josh Hamilton was straight after he was drafted, IF Strawberry and Gooden hadn’t had drug problems, it’s always IF

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Gthompson1978

IF such a big word, IF a frog had wings, IF Josh Hamilton was straight after he was drafted, IF Strawberry and Gooden hadn’t had drug problems, it’s always IF

IF you want to bet I’ll lay -350 he does not get a hit every at bat vs elite starting pitchers rest of season. Keep a running total and loser donates to charity. Win win for everyone,

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Can you not see the implications for such a split. Besides the fact that pitchers are getting more and more elite with teams having more and more elite bullpen arms coming into games earlier, he will likely have less at bats in the future vs Tyler Anderson, Andre Jackson and Noah Davis types in the future.

More importantly, one of the best chances he has for a huge pump in near future would be having a big post season, in the post season he will only face elite arms, if these games happen they will likely be the last thing in people’s mind heading j to the offseason and have a decent impact on his prices

It also means there is an element of luck to his overall results. Take for example today, he had one of his best games of the year (despite the 3 Ks). It lets be honest if ohtani doesn’t leave with arm soreness who thinks he’s not going 0-4 with 3 Ks.

If the sample was more than 3 months then the implications might be relevant. For someone who acts like they are into statistics, you'd think you'd understand them better. He's never even faced the same "elite" pitcher twice.

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[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

. He's never even faced the same "elite" pitcher twice.

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He’s faced Corbin Burnes multiple times fwiw. Not sure about others. He’s 1-8 with a weak single and 4 Ks

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

He’s faced Corbin Burnes multiple times fwiw. Not sure about others. He’s 1-8 with a weak single and 4 Ks

And you find that to be statistically significant?

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[LVDan]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

So I got a blue parallel version of an Elly de la Cruz Topps Now card. It's one of 49 (maybe 490).

Hold or sell? It's not graded. Recent transactions on eBay have it somewhere between $70 and $100.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

And you find that to be statistically significant?

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I didn’t see it was, do you want a Z-score? But it does fit my hypothesis, but like I said I’m down for a friendly bet. I’ll post before game if pitcher qualifies for bet. If he gets a hit I’ll pay $350 (each at bat) if he doesn’t I get $100 (each at bat). All the money goes to charity.

If I’m correct, charity wins. If I’m horribly wrong charity wins way more. It’s a fun sweat and I don’t want it look like I’m jsut hoping for the guys to fail (I’m not) but this way if he does at least someone unfortunate can benefit

[vwnut13]

Best Red since Aristides Aquino

[seanbros55]

Terry O’Quinn36’s hard-on for Elly rivals carddude87’s irrational hatred for BWJ

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Can you not see the implications for such a split. Besides the fact that pitchers are getting more and more elite with teams having more and more elite bullpen arms coming into games earlier, he will likely have less at bats in the future vs Tyler Anderson, Andre Jackson and Noah Davis types in the future.

More importantly, one of the best chances he has for a huge pump in near future would be having a big post season, in the post season he will only face elite arms, if these games happen they will likely be the last thing in people’s mind heading j to the offseason and have a decent impact on his prices

It also means there is an element of luck to his overall results. Take for example today, he had one of his best games of the year (despite the 3 Ks). It lets be honest if ohtani doesn’t leave with arm soreness who thinks he’s not going 0-4 with 3 Ks.

Yet here you are shining a big light on yourself as an Elly hater along with a few others. I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I do find it odd that yourself and a few others go to great lengths to find metrics on him - BA against weak pitchers, strong pitchers, hypotheticals vs Nolan Ryan, Walter Johnson, Warren Spahn…

What is the point of constantly posting negative stuff about Elly and why Elly? What about Volpe and his batting .214 this year. What is the breakdown of his AB’s against weak pitchers, pitchers on their period, Cy Young award winners.

Seems a little petty and childish to bag on a 21 year old kid from the DR who has played what 90 games or so in the big leagues, and even when he goes 2-5 with a HR and 6 RBI you have reasons it should not count. Surely you don’t have that much free time to be looking up geeky stats so you can justify bashing Elly right?��

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

Yet here you are shining a big light on yourself as an Elly hater along with a few others. I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I do find it odd that yourself and a few others go to great lengths to find metrics on him - BA against weak pitchers, strong pitchers, hypotheticals vs Nolan Ryan, Walter Johnson, Warren Spahn…

What is the point of constantly posting negative stuff about Elly and why Elly? What about Volpe and his batting .214 this year. What is the breakdown of his AB’s against weak pitchers, pitchers on their period, Cy Young award winners.

Seems a little petty and childish to bag on a 21 year old kid from the DR who has played what 90 games or so in the big leagues, and even when he goes 2-5 with a HR and 6 RBI you have reasons it should not count. Surely you don’t have that much free time to be looking up geeky stats so you can justify bashing Elly right?��

Very simple, his unique splits create wildly profitable prop spots, simply sharing that info that I find valuable with others so that they can do with it what they like, or refute/ignore it if they like. The reason for the Elly “hate” has nothing to do with him personally just have not come across equally interesting spots with volpe or other big time prospects that are struggling.

Maybe some people find my analysis of his unlikely post season success beneficial if they are thinking of buying his cards pre pos season or Maybee it’s worthless. Fwiw his prices are down around 50% since I’ve been posting my Elly “hate”. But if the only purpose of these threads is to pump prospects then I apologize and will refrain from posting stats going forward

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

Yet here you are shining a big light on yourself as an Elly hater along with a few others. I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I do find it odd that yourself and a few others go to great lengths to find metrics on him - BA against weak pitchers, strong pitchers, hypotheticals vs Nolan Ryan, Walter Johnson, Warren Spahn…

What is the point of constantly posting negative stuff about Elly and why Elly? What about Volpe and his batting .214 this year. What is the breakdown of his AB’s against weak pitchers, pitchers on their period, Cy Young award winners.

Seems a little petty and childish to bag on a 21 year old kid from the DR who has played what 90 games or so in the big leagues, and even when he goes 2-5 with a HR and 6 RBI you have reasons it should not count. Surely you don’t have that much free time to be looking up geeky stats so you can justify bashing Elly right?🤔

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=Anthony+volpe

There's the link to the Anthony Volpe thread. Feel free to take a look and you'll see that there was plenty of people ripping him and his low average. And then the thread got buried because nobody cares. The Volpe fans aren't running out and bumping the thread every time he gets a hit

Just like this thread. It's fallen off the first page multiple times over the last few weeks. This thread had zero comments for like three days until Ohio came gloating about a little league home run. I've followed this thread long enough to know that there's been very little actual talk about Elly. And when there is, the haters don't come around.

What's hilarious is you saying you don't have a dog in this fight, yet here was one of your first comments in the thread

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

Thank you. I follow Elly and collect him and have watched his prices rise. Just in the last 1-2 days they have jumped pretty strong and he was not playing. The cycle gave him a huge bump and then the 3 SB’s. Guess every time he does it he legitimizes his potential and value.

I'm not sure how you can claim to not have a dog in the fight when you've already admitted you collect and follow him
This is a sports card forum. People talk about on field performance and card prices.

[SupermanBrandon]

Some of you all would die if you saw how much MLBs IG page pumps Elly. One of the most posted players of the last 2 months.


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[vwnut13]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Some of you all would die if you saw how much MLBs IG page pumps Elly. One of the most posted players of the last 2 months.

Luckily for MLB nobody watches the Reds so people just assume that he has been playing amazing.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by whitmm

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=Anthony+volpe

There's the link to the Anthony Volpe thread. Feel free to take a look and you'll see that there was plenty of people ripping him and his low average. And then the thread got buried because nobody cares. The Volpe fans aren't running out and bumping the thread every time he gets a hit

Just like this thread. It's fallen off the first page multiple times over the last few weeks. This thread had zero comments for like three days until Ohio came gloating about a little league home run. I've followed this thread long enough to know that there's been very little actual talk about Elly. And when there is, the haters don't come around.

What's hilarious is you saying you don't have a dog in this fight, yet here was one of your first comments in the thread



I'm not sure how you can claim to not have a dog in the fight when you've already admitted you collect and follow him
This is a sports card forum. People talk about on field performance and card prices.

LOL, gloating. I'm a fan. It's a thread where fans are discussing Elly. When he makes an exciting play, I come to talk about it with other fans.

In no way does a person's fandom require tempering by the wet blanket brigade. You are providing a service nobody needs or wants.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Very simple, his unique splits create wildly profitable prop spots, simply sharing that info that I find valuable with others so that they can do with it what they like, or refute/ignore it if they like. The reason for the Elly “hate” has nothing to do with him personally just have not come across equally interesting spots with volpe or other big time prospects that are struggling.

Maybe some people find my analysis of his unlikely post season success beneficial if they are thinking of buying his cards pre pos season or Maybee it’s worthless. Fwiw his prices are down around 50% since I’ve been posting my Elly “hate”. But if the only purpose of these threads is to pump prospects then I apologize and will refrain from posting stats going forward

You are such an altruistic saint. Thank you so much for your service. Your motivations are pure as the driven snow.

EDIT: But at least I see that it's pointless for us to ever engage again. You are looking at Elly from an investment standpoint. I couldn't care less about card prices other than hoping they are cheaper for me to buy my favorite players. I am a baseball fan first, and a card collector second. I never sell cards. Just buy those of my favorite players that I enjoy watching play the game. Your whole motivation is card prices. My whole motivation is enjoying the sport and my favorite players. That's why you will never see me in a thread of a player I am not a fan of making negative comments about that player or their performance. That's not what a fan does.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

LOL, gloating. I'm a fan. It's a thread where fans are discussing Elly. When he makes an exciting play, I come to talk about it with other fans.

In no way does a person's fandom require tempering by the wet blanket brigade. You are providing a service nobody needs or wants.

Except you don't come here to talk about it with other fans. You disappear until he has a big hit then you show up and argue with the people that have been trolling you. You say you are here to discuss Elly, yet you just sit and call anyone you even slightly mentions a hole in his game a hater. If you're here to discuss Elly, why do you disappear when he goes a game or two without having a big hit?

This thread was buried until you went and revived it over his little league home run. Maybe you should take it as a sign that nobody else is really that interested in talking about him. You should know by now that every time you post, the "haters" show up.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Except you don't come here to talk about it with other fans. You disappear until he has a big hit then you show up and argue with the people that have been trolling you. You say you are here to discuss Elly, yet you just sit and call anyone you even slightly mentions a hole in his game a hater. If you're here to discuss Elly, why do you disappear when he goes a game or two without having a big hit?

This thread was buried until you went and revived it over his little league home run. Maybe you should take it as a sign that nobody else is really that interested in talking about him. You should know by now that every time you post, the "haters" show up.

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Except you don't come here to talk about it with other fans. You disappear until he has a big hit then you show up and argue with the people that have been trolling you. You say you are here to discuss Elly, yet you just sit and call anyone you even slightly mentions a hole in his game a hater. If you're here to discuss Elly, why do you disappear when he goes a game or two without having a big hit?

This thread was buried until you went and revived it over his little league home run. Maybe you should take it as a sign that nobody else is really that interested in talking about him. You should know by now that every time you post, the "haters" show up.

If you're talking about Blowout, people like me tend to stay away from this thread because it's just par for the course of online negativity by the same people that jump from player thread to player thread spewing the same crap every day about how "He sucks" or "OMG, look at ALL his weaknesses". The greatest one is "Ha, it was ONLY a HR off a Non-HOF player"....like history really cares about that. We get it, you're dolng it to "save new hobbyists" from spending $5 on a Bowman Chrome prospect card. Slow clap.

Bottom line, I enjoy watching his highlights and seeing what he's done the next game. He's good for baseball.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Some of you all would die if you saw how much MLBs IG page pumps Elly. One of the most posted players of the last 2 months.


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He's front-page news at least AI makes it that way for me. I tend to check the box scores and Reds highlights.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

If you're talking about Blowout, people like me tend to stay away from this thread because it's just par for the course of online negativity by the same people that jump from player thread to player thread spewing the same crap every day about how "He sucks" or "OMG, look at ALL his weaknesses". The greatest one is "Ha, it was ONLY a HR off a Non-HOF player"....like history really cares about that. We get it, you're dolng it to "save new hobbyists" from spending $5 on a Bowman Chrome prospect card. Slow clap.

Bottom line, I enjoy watching his highlights and seeing what he's done the next game. He's good for baseball.

What I've seen in this thread is that when people actually talk about Elly, the haters stay away. When certain people that comment here seemingly have a large number of people that don't care for them, of course they bring out the trolls.

I'm not sure that anyone here is trying to save new hobbyists. I'm certainly not. Spend all your money on Elly. I don't collect him. I made out just fine on the one auto I had of his (It was Pro Debut, it wasn't going to hold it's value compared to his Bowman stuff). I'm a set builder. I'm a baseball fan. I've seen this many times. I've heard the "but he's going to be different" comment over and over.