20-24: A Nesmith Odyssey

[bkcardcollector]

don't worry, he's not moving on, it's like one of those breakups and get back togethers for attention

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Nomad

So watched the rest of the Blez break. Basketball wise, they really did redeem themselves a little. Iverson kept it real and watching those EX2000 get broke in dayglo two-card segments as he capped on and semi dissed Blez was something. Gonna have to crack out that Marcus Canby Essential Credentials /499, such a beautiful card. Even the box of that set went the extra mile.

Exquisite. Wow it was dusty. Shine's hands were shaking, I guess he is an actual collector. I do want to say that I was kind of ho hum though. Panini kind of used it as a basis for a lot of stuff, so the contemporary high end has come a long way. I think we are gonna miss that side of Panini. After all, Italy invented fashion. Hope we get some nice GU Pacers patches in the last hurrah.

You got me.

Also there is the fact that stuff just pops up. Woke up today and a green scope Prizm RC /8 was just going begging on eBay, with two minutes to go.

If I ever have the money to afford the cards still on my list before he breaks through.

Still refuse to sell the wrong Kobe silver until I get a real offer. And I am not talking a few thou.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by bkcardcollector

nice pickup. those hoops parallels are tough, there is a million packs.

interesting take on the proofs. I collect stamps and ya that's what it means but I think with cards it is just a stupid word they use. There is like artist and photographer and executive proofs where they sign the card back in the day.

I have never heard of one photographer or designer at Panini. That's wrong.

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by Nomad

You got me.

Also there is the fact that stuff just pops up. Woke up today and a green scope Prizm RC /8 was just going begging on eBay, with two minutes to go.

If I ever have the money to afford the cards still on my list before he breaks through.

Still refuse to sell the wrong Kobe silver until I get a real offer. And I am not talking a few thou.

I forgot all about your million dollar Kobe “silver” Stadium Club.

[Nomad]

I almost did too. Or rather waiting for the super interesting and confusing '90s basketball error market to evolve. It will happen, cause boxes from the era are typically bricked and dusty, and half the decade barely had parallels. New frontier of rarity.

As long as it's accepted that every single error must be meticulously examined and graded because of backdoor issues. But that battle has already been won as well. People now conditioned to pay more for a PSA 10 green Prizm (pop 1,000 + for Zion) than an OC green scope /8.

[bkcardcollector]

Originally Posted by Nomad

I have never heard of one photographer or designer at Panini. That's wrong.

youre wrong stupid face

[Nomad]

Why? I mean, we live in an era where 90s designers such as Arena are recognized. And Topps has artists who sign their stuff. Last time Panini had a non-digital artist was first year of Kaboom!, correct me if I'm wrong. They have never inserted sketch cards into product and the art for Downtown is lame.

I'd like to see at least those who create memorable inserts or photographs recognized. Just as athletes on the court are. Panini must have all kinds of clauses around work at their company.

Prolly a stupid face opinion, see you in the finals.

[Nomad]

So that Zion thread got me thinking it is time to populate some wisdom. Quiz here for 20-21 draft aficionados and the winner I will give an Origins RC auto, along with a Nomad collection sketch card.

Value of the Nesmith RC Prizm choice /8 sold a week ago relative to the fourth-year Obi Toppen sold a day ago and the Maxey RC with a day to go?






trust here, no looking up.

Just give me three numbers, can do the math.

[ninjacookies]

0.99 0 bids (res not met)

1.25 (includes free USPS flat rate ship)

3.75 (best offer accepted) high bidder: gyat_redbone_cashna$ty304

[Nomad]

Nothing about that computes. Except Maxey of course highest.

[ninjacookies]

[Nomad]

Okay, this isn't fun. Appreciate the support though ninja. Learning.

The answer leads to a fundamental card investment question. Let me give an analogy. If these three were stocks valued on medium-to-long term fundamentals, you might put two of the companies in the same ballpark. They wouldn't be in the same industry, but they would have been founded in the same era and have met similar milestones, though one progressed a little further.

The valuations would need to be somewhat aligned, to reflect operational costs and expected shareholder returns. Otherwise capital markets would cease to function rationally. Investor unsurety would abound and you would have a bubble. Not to say we haven't had such. AI stocks a classic example. But let's say these are blue chip companies that actually make something. Techy, but something.

Anyway, still waiting for a valid guess. Ninja, you've lost yours, sorry to say.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Okay, this isn't fun. Appreciate the support though ninja. Learning.

The answer leads to a fundamental card investment question. Let me give an analogy. If these three were stocks valued on medium-to-long term fundamentals, you might put two of the companies in the same ballpark. They wouldn't be in the same industry, but they would have been founded in the same era and have met similar milestones, though one progressed a little further.

The valuations would need to be somewhat aligned, to reflect operational costs and expected shareholder returns. Otherwise capital markets would cease to function rationally. Investor unsurety would abound and you would have a bubble. Not to say we haven't had such. AI stocks a classic example. But let's say these are blue chip companies that actually make something. Techy, but something.

Anyway, still waiting for a valid guess. Ninja, you've lost yours, sorry to say.

So… uh… what was the question supposed to be?

[duron]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Quiz here for 20-21 draft aficionados and the winner I will give an Origins RC auto, along with a Nomad collection sketch card.

If you’re thinking about giving Nomad an addy, it better be a PO box.

[Nomad]

Question is what did the three ungraded cards sell for. Admittedly, I didn't notice the Obi was a third year until I posted his ugly mug.

Dang, Wembanyama Youthquake base up to $67 with 6 days to go. Is it possible not to make money in this hobby?

[Nomad]

Wow, Topps slammed the ball out of the court. Yeah, talking about the long awaited Nesmith. For whatever reason, the CG guys at Panini never quite got Double A right. They would like add eyeshadow effects to his face, or pop out veins.



This captures a player I recognize. Boring, but would look great with a light blue marker auto. Thank you.


lanterns and cell phones. more to these patterns than you think.

[Nomad]

Im gonna have to go back on my initial impression. While they did do a good job of keeping the facial likeness, the whole person on the card looks super digital and processed. Yeah, the opposite of trad. Topps Chrome. Glad it's just an unlicensed warmup, time to get some things right.

[bkcardcollector]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Why? I mean, we live in an era where 90s designers such as Arena are recognized. And Topps has artists who sign their stuff. Last time Panini had a non-digital artist was first year of Kaboom!, correct me if I'm wrong. They have never inserted sketch cards into product and the art for Downtown is lame.

I'd like to see at least those who create memorable inserts or photographs recognized. Just as athletes on the court are. Panini must have all kinds of clauses around work at their company.

Prolly a stupid face opinion, see you in the finals.

ya, agreed, would be cool. i said back in the day, i think it was fleer that did it mostly.

[Nomad]

Not my cards. Just to be timely and of the moment. Saw them on the Bay as a lot and liked the look. I'm sure its random.

[Nomad]

Hey, it's my birthday so I splurged. Green dragon baby. Looks like the owner had it sticking up in his nipa hut a couple years, hulking reminiscent of vintage '96 Finest at its best. Another 20 years and it might make patina. Or is this one of those insta greening fake outs....



No matter, $32 all-in. Beats shelling out $9k for an Ant GD. I'd wait till he makes it to the finals for dat price, anyway.


Prized like prime Luka.

The low-sh pop on green drag surprised me. I guess print run in the mid-20s? Not a one-of-one 1899 Shamrock by any means....

[Nomad]

Sorry for the repeat. Just archiving this in the Odyssey thread.

flux is the only reg issue I am approaching a rainbow in. Just picked up the gold shimmer to join the gold laser and gold cracked ice. As well as the moonlight and sunrise. Have long had the black cracked ice and added the black pulsar, when I popped it and realized there was only one on the Bay. I love everything about the inserts in this set still and even the original base design pops in the creatively named color variations.


the 'rise.

Also like how flux offers a compelling use of the symbol x beyond the prevailing social media use. No one person owns a symbol, let's face it. I always think of it as x-factor, or as the unknown element, the beneficial randomness that drives evolution. And flux is like the social landscape that embodies that. "n. the action or process of flowing or flowing out." It's the potentiality of people who want to get somewhere new, natural, nice. Also the logo reminds me of a laptop cursor.


black pulsar... not sure if it's a low pop thing or there are a lot of GF (good flow)-authenticated unscanned factory sets sitting out in warehouses.

Aesthetically its not my favorite image, but at least they didn't over-use it across sets. The leggings are pandemic-era Tatum, even though they look ridic, they draw a chuckle.


Just learned that Panini sticker-on-soft-case is a thing. I guess it's either fake (no chance at $30) or the person took the effort to get a replacement sent for a damaged card? Personally I just like my messed up golds pack pulled, as evidence of manufacturing error.

Gold shimmer flux is just one of my all time favorite /10 looks. I like it in Incoming, I like it in this. I think there is some bigger name set where it gets as good as this, but never have afforded it.

This card actually has a lot of Smart in it. I thing Marcus really made him part of the team and backed him when it was his turn to play and help keep Boston afloat. That stuff Siakam, who also started bench/G-League is preaching, Aaron basically embodied it. He wasn't too big to stay on the Kings, ala Haliburton. He was so selfless that the Celtics found him a great home. What team is Smart on these days? I would be watching that.


I think that moonlight is even rarer than sunrise, around half the print run. I want to say that it was like pop 4 graded total for my usual benchmark, Edwards.

Also notice the up down use of x as some advertisement in the background. Maybe a stock market company. It's kind of like if one player goes up, another must go down. This self-defeating attitude is why a lot of good stuff is still accessible.

Ok Anthony Edwards PSA pop report:

742 fanatics cracked ice
717 pulsar factory set
235 bass
134 silver
11 lunar eclipse /25
8 black pulsar
6 gold cracked ice /10
6 sunrise
4 gold
4 moonlight

This would have been such a nice concept if they did a recon and kept retail and factory the heck out of it. First they underestimated and then overestimated demand.

[bkcardcollector]

happy bday! grats, mine is soon too, hopefully i can snag one i got my eye on.

[Nomad]

A quick mailday with a couple pressing questions.

First, what I consider the biggie, a 23/25 orange delight.



This is my third Pacers jersey number and really, the best, cause the others are that popping veins '22-23 Prizm.



This one I really don't get the 7 auto? I do see it crosses a line.



This one is the third gold Hoops I've purchased. Thing is, none of them have the "Artist's Proof" logo which I guess is standard. This is def not the holo gold, I can only think it's a Nesmith specific error, the first I've encountered. With a print run of 10 it's obviously uncorrected, but I actually like the simplicity much.

[bkcardcollector]

id say its holo gold

the card is psa 7 auto grade is 10. is it scratched over his name?

[Nomad]

Sorry, for hoops base Beckett and CC list only Artist Proof Gold #/10, Hyper Gold #/10. The latter being a cracked ice variant.

Amazing how low those are selling for. 20-21 Josh Green RC for $10, Zion second year $67. You could go cases and cases and not hit much.Great time to be alive in the hobby, what with wembynomics and all.

I remember in the day, peak pandemic, there was this dude in the Philippines who was firm on $700 for his /25 Artist's Proof Lamello RC. And that was considered going price. I mean, Lamello got talent and all, but sheesh.

The two supposed variants. Never seen either for dub A.