First Buzz: 2021-22 Topps Chrome UEFA Champions League

[axt]

For Hobby, yes.

Originally Posted by excel_b

$2,400 case - is that a good price?

[Sijavy]

Originally Posted by excel_b

$2,400 case - is that a good price?

It depends on what you mean by good?

It's base level price is probably around $80-$100per box. 12 boxes. So the mark-up is roughly 100%.

You are probably getting lower value than any case of this product released before.

I would estimate the average TMV (true market value) of each box being closer to $50.

I hope this helps.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by excel_b

$2,400 case - is that a good price?

Probably be 10% lower on Monday.

[mwash1983]

Opened two packs of lite, Cole Palmer Refractor and Luka Sucic Ray Wave, not bad.

[kingb22]

I opened a total of 8 hobby boxes. Overall the autos were solid but not spectacular (Fati, Muller, Jota, Timothy Weah, Charlie Savage, Riqui Puig Gold Lava, Miguel Guittierez, Yusef Demir).

However, in terms of rookie colored parallels, I only got 6 in 8 boxes, and none of them spectacular. The non-colored parallels were much better as expected. This is the space where you really felt the expanded 200 card checklist. Even though on paper there are a lot of rookies, the reality is there are a LOT of non-superstar Vets that aren't worth much. The inserts were better as you'd expect for those who like them, but not my thing.

Pretty easy pass for me moving forward - it's hard to imagine a scenario where buying Singles isn't a better deal even if some of the rookies make it big. Definitely closer to buyers remorse than I like, although not as bad as some of the expensive Panini duds like Donruss Road to Qatar.

[gomiamigo]

Opened 4 hobby lite and my best color hit was Nico Gonzalez /125. Only had once card numbered under 100.

This is an $85 product soon.

Doesn't Obsidian come out soon?

[YayNJ]

I've watched about 30 cases of this now and all I can say is, if you want a Riqui Puig auto, now is your chance.

He must have signed THOUSANDS in this lol

[kyleuk21]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

Opened 4 hobby lite and my best color hit was Nico Gonzalez /125. Only had once card numbered under 100.

This is an $85 product soon.

Doesn't Obsidian come out soon?

Lite needs to be busted by the case. It's far better than hobby as was talked about before. Vast majority of cases have an auto, a red, an orange, and a couple golds. A fair amount have more than one red.

[YayNJ]

Nothing should have to be busted by the case so you don't walk away feeling like you've had a thousand cuts and a lemon and lime bath afterwards.

[ashear]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

Nothing should have to be busted by the case so you don't walk away feeling like you've had a thousand cuts and a lemon and lime bath afterwards.

When a lite case costs the same amount as a Prizm hobby box of football or even a single box of Immaculate/Impeccable soccer though, its a good deal. To Kyle's point you really up your odds of hitting some really nice low numbered cards and you're probably going to hit a fair amount of good unnumbered color of some of the rookies along the way too. With these boxes being like $85-90 per now, I think it's a no brainer. Even if you have to cut down the amount of boxes you're breaking, I'd much rather open 3 boxes of lite chrome than 1 box of donruss. You'd get 9 #d cards in the Chrome, compared to just 2 #d optic cards in donruss.

[kyleuk21]

Originally Posted by ashear

When a lite case costs the same amount as a Prizm hobby box of football or even a single box of Immaculate/Impeccable soccer though, its a good deal. To Kyle's point you really up your odds of hitting some really nice low numbered cards and you're probably going to hit a fair amount of good unnumbered color of some of the rookies along the way too. With these boxes being like $85-90 per now, I think it's a no brainer. Even if you have to cut down the amount of boxes you're breaking, I'd much rather open 3 boxes of lite chrome than 1 box of donruss. You'd get 9 #d cards in the Chrome, compared to just 2 #d optic cards in donruss.

My point exactly. If boxes were $400/per, it's not very good to say "that has to be busted by the case". In this case, it's super inexpensive relatively to everything else and you need to really get into them to find those few particularly low numbered cards. Loss is minimal on these even if your low numbered cards are bad players since you're spending just $1600/case. Most products have case prices 3x that or more.

[Gin&Juice]

Originally Posted by kyleuk21

My point exactly. If boxes were $400/per, it's not very good to say "that has to be busted by the case". In this case, it's super inexpensive relatively to everything else and you need to really get into them to find those few particularly low numbered cards. Loss is minimal on these even if your low numbered cards are bad players since you're spending just $1600/case. Most products have case prices 3x that or more.

I think the problem is that our sense of value is so far out-of-whack that we now see $3200 in value from 2 autos of decent prospects and a handful of "low numbered" parallels that are only low numbered because there are 32 different colored parallels for each base card. Setting aside the inanity of a neon green lava parallel, it is a kind of meaningless card when you can also get two other neon green parallels of the same card and aqua lava, blue lava, and gold lava (although oddly enough no red or orange lava).

[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

I think the problem is that our sense of value is so far out-of-whack that we now see $3200 in value from 2 autos of decent prospects and a handful of "low numbered" parallels that are only low numbered because there are 32 different colored parallels for each base card. Setting aside the inanity of a neon green lava parallel, it is a kind of meaningless card when you can also get two other neon green parallels of the same card and aqua lava, blue lava, and gold lava (although oddly enough no red or orange lava).

UNLESS it's a variation ... THEN you can get an orange lava. OH - and they also apparently made 170 of those for each of the 5 subjects. Which makes sense because oranges are known in chrome for being to 170. I doubt that's going to trip anyone up.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

I think the problem is that our sense of value is so far out-of-whack that we now see $3200 in value from 2 autos of decent prospects and a handful of "low numbered" parallels that are only low numbered because there are 32 different colored parallels for each base card. Setting aside the inanity of a neon green lava parallel, it is a kind of meaningless card when you can also get two other neon green parallels of the same card and aqua lava, blue lava, and gold lava (although oddly enough no red or orange lava).

I think if you are the kind of person that moves sets and has a COMC port, there's a lot of value on the release. Specially if you can get cases at under 100 a box.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by ashear

When a lite case costs the same amount as a Prizm hobby box of football or even a single box of Immaculate/Impeccable soccer though, its a good deal.

and this is why the hobby is #@#@#@#@ed.

NEITHER is a "good deal".

[ATLOTP]

cost on allocation was around 185. Topps has raised the prices to the distro who have in turn raised the prices to hobby shops. so these boxes are generating no profit and not moving at no profit. this is a harbinger of things to come

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

and this is why the hobby is #@#@#@#@ed.

NEITHER is a "good deal".

Hear hear!!!!

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by ATLOTP

cost on allocation was around 185. Topps has raised the prices to the distro who have in turn raised the prices to hobby shops. so these boxes are generating no profit and not moving at no profit. this is a harbinger of things to come

They should have thought of that before printing tens of thousands of cases.

That's the biggest issue, it's just too much product out there.

[gomiamigo]

Might end up at $75 per the way prices are dropping, this thing is gonna die on the vine.

Market ain't helpin....

[The Accountant]

Good. Drop drop drop away. I want to bust some more. Soccer is my favorite rip

[kyleuk21]

Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

I think the problem is that our sense of value is so far out-of-whack that we now see $3200 in value from 2 autos of decent prospects and a handful of "low numbered" parallels that are only low numbered because there are 32 different colored parallels for each base card. Setting aside the inanity of a neon green lava parallel, it is a kind of meaningless card when you can also get two other neon green parallels of the same card and aqua lava, blue lava, and gold lava (although oddly enough no red or orange lava).

Not sure I'm following. I was speaking of Lite. Lavas are only in Hobby which I think is a terrible buy by the way.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by kyleuk21

Not sure I'm following. I was speaking of Lite. Lavas are only in Hobby which I think is a terrible buy by the way.

I'm a big fan of hobby personally. You get 12 autos, lavas, starballs, and about 3 numbered parallels a box. Speckles are lame though (2 a box)

[Gin&Juice]

Originally Posted by kyleuk21

Not sure I'm following. I was speaking of Lite. Lavas are only in Hobby which I think is a terrible buy by the way.

Yeah, I wasn't distinguishing between lite and hobby. My point is that the value of parallels whether from lite or hobby is diluted by the fact that there are so many across the product. When someone goes to buy a colored Raebiger and has three different neon green options, the value of your neon green goes down regardless of whether it came out of lite or hobby.

[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

Yeah, I wasn't distinguishing between lite and hobby. My point is that the value of parallels whether from lite or hobby is diluted by the fact that there are so many across the product. When someone goes to buy a colored Raebiger and has three different neon green options, the value of your neon green goes down regardless of whether it came out of lite or hobby.

Which is actually why I lean LITE here... try to avoid the "new" style parallels and stick with the classics. You are 2x more likely to hit a #'d card under 50 in a case of Lite as you are in a case of hobby (or you get 2x as many - take your pick). 4x more likely to hit a super. 70% of the Supers, Reds, Oranges (classic colors) and golds packed out in LITE.

It's really bizarre what they've done.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by reddragonthe

Which is actually why I lean LITE here... try to avoid the "new" style parallels and stick with the classics. You are 2x more likely to hit a #'d card under 50 in a case of Lite as you are in a case of hobby (or you get 2x as many - take your pick). 4x more likely to hit a super. 70% of the Supers, Reds, Oranges (classic colors) and golds packed out in LITE.

It's really bizarre what they've done.

Wow that’s a bizarre stat. I still would prefer autos but might have to test the lite waters a bit