✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

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Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

It's a 2021 release, from a product that is printed to the moon (base Topps) and a gimmicky card.



Classic example of listed prices having no correlation to actual going rate. All the sales I could find are $20 or less. If you can get $100 for it, you should be ecstatic.

Thanks for the reply, you could very well be right. At $20 a pop I'd much rather hold on to both, especially considering I could only find 2 active listings.

If I remember correctly these were hobby only (jumbo & hobby) pack outs and were only a couple a case. So maybe 10 cases per player represented. If that's the case, regardless of 2021 Series 1 being printed to the moon these cloth patch thingies are under 1k of each produced. Does this sound about right to yall that remember ripping this stuff?

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[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Tim

If Shohei gets traded to the NL, anyone thinking it's reasonable that he could win AL MVP is utterly delusional.

In a year with stronger candidates maybe but the AL mvp race is pretty weak behind shohei. Would be more strange imo to have Seager or one of the rays back into it.




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[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by zworykin

More asinine than deciding someone is ineligible for the award during the season because they were traded, which is generally out of their control? More asinine than saying "well, you did contribute more to your team while you were there than anyone else contributed to theirs all year, but you don't count"?

Acuna was the front runner a few years back in Greg NL late when he tore his ACL. He didn’t win. Playing a full season does matter to voters no matter how special a half is. Randy Johnson was traded to Houston in 1999 and absolutely dominated for them after trade. He very well could have won that CY but didn’t. 11 starts, 10-1, 1.28 ERA. 116 K and 26 walks in only 84 IP. Writers would absolutely not give him an MVP if he’s traded to the NL.


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[BRob1]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Acuna was the front runner a few years back in Greg NL late when he tore his ACL. He didn’t win. Playing a full season does matter to voters no matter how special a half is. Randy Johnson was traded to Houston in 1999 and absolutely dominated for them after trade. He very well could have won that CY but didn’t. 11 starts, 10-1, 1.28 ERA. 116 K and 26 walks in only 84 IP. Writers would absolutely not give him an MVP if he’s traded to the NL.


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Him playing 2 ways complicates the “full season” conversation. He’d hypothetically have played 2/3 of a season as a hitter AND 2/3 of a season as a pitcher.

Now if he plays the whole season he runs away with the award, if he plays (2) two thirds of a season I could see there being enough counting numbers to still outdo what anyone else in the AL puts up. The race is so weak behind him, and at this point he’s played 30 more games than Seager.


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[TBTC Baseball]

Originally Posted by redauto5

How about if his AL WAR for 100 games tops anyone else in the AL for a full season?

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Nobody else should get it if they can't top ~6.5 WAR for a full season.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by TBTC Baseball

Nobody else should get it if they can't top ~6.5 WAR for a full season.

What SHOULD happen and what WOULD happen are 2 different things.

[BC Hunt]

That last AB was both amazing and painful to watch.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Tim

If Shohei gets traded to the NL, anyone thinking it's reasonable that he could win AL MVP is utterly delusional.

Exactly.

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[SumoMenkoMan]

The Sports Card Investor calling Ohtani's 2013 Japanese Rookie Cards his "True Rookies"....makes sense to me.



https://youtu.be/uNjploHAmsA

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by SumoMenkoMan

The Sports Card Investor calling Ohtani's 2013 Japanese Rookie Cards his "True Rookies"....makes sense to me.



https://youtu.be/uNjploHAmsA

that guy is a moron

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by SumoMenkoMan

The Sports Card Investor calling Ohtani's 2013 Japanese Rookie Cards his "True Rookies"....makes sense to me.



https://youtu.be/uNjploHAmsA

Sports card investor is a clown. I don't remember him mentioning ohtani very much in all the videos I've watched of his in the last few years. But I do remember him mentioning Zion Williamson, Ja Morant, and Fernando Tatis many times.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

that guy is a moron

Actually - would love to hear your thoughts on whether international offerings can be “Rookie Cards.” Both the pre- and post-2005

Just never heard you speak on this aspect of the issue

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

Actually - would love to hear your thoughts on whether international offerings can be “Rookie Cards.” Both the pre- and post-2005

Just never heard you speak on this aspect of the issue

its an interesting topic.

They can be international Rookie Cards, but MLB Rookie Cards trump all Rookie Cards

i would rank them above MiLB and below MLB

[SumoMenkoMan]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

its an interesting topic.

They can be international Rookie Cards, but MLB Rookie Cards trump all Rookie Cards

i would rank them above MiLB and below MLB

In my opinion, this is too myopic and seems like an outdated stance in this world of international sports. Lots of international leagues out there with great talent. Not discounting the value or the legitimacy of Ohtani's 2018 U.S. Rookie cards, but the fact is that he does have rookie cards from 2013 from Japan. In my opinion, the 2013 Japanese cards are his true rookies and Japanese rookies while his 2018 are his U.S. rookies. I think people get nervous that something that isn't his true rookie card will lose value. His U.S. rookies cards likely will always have more value and have higher demand than his true rookie.

All just my opinion.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by SumoMenkoMan

In my opinion, this is too myopic and seems like an outdated stance in this world of international sports. Lots of international leagues out there with great talent. Not discounting the value or the legitimacy of Ohtani's 2018 U.S. Rookie cards, but the fact is that he does have rookie cards from 2013 from Japan. In my opinion, the 2013 Japanese cards are his true rookies and Japanese rookies while his 2018 are his U.S. rookies. I think people get nervous that something that isn't his true rookie card will lose value. His U.S. rookies cards likely will always have more value and have higher demand than his true rookie.

All just my opinion.

sounds like you have a lot of 2013s haha

[SumoMenkoMan]

Nope.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

its an interesting topic.

They can be international Rookie Cards, but MLB Rookie Cards trump all Rookie Cards

i would rank them above MiLB and below MLB

I only lean here because baseball cards are an American thing. BBM/Calbee/Bandai makes some great looking cards but it's just not a big market. Action figurines and action anime cards are a bigger hobby market than cards. It's the American expectations and claims that are pumping the prices up. It's not Japanese people that are going to the store and suddenly realizing they love baseball cards. You should collect what you like and Japanese baseball cards have their rightful place, but it's clearly the American market driving it up.

[ThoseBackPages]

Pump it ALL UP!!!!!!

[TGCollector]

As far as I'm concerned he has his Japanese rookie cards & MLB rookie cards. Both can be true without raising or lowering the value of said cards. Not sure I feel the need to determine his "true rookie card". What I find interesting is I constantly hear this about Ohtani but not players like Luka, who has Euro League "rookie cards"

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Big fly!

[Trueblue]

Shobomb #34

[Onepocketj]

BOOM!!!

[majestik101]

Hold your horses

[Trueblue]

Sho looks so mad rn