✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹ - Page 522

ScooterD · 07-01-2023, 02:31 PM

The reason I ask is because the whole thing is cyclical.

He hits better in the seasons where he also pitches. His “down” offensive years were when he wasn’t pitching. He didn’t pitch due to TJ surgery. Was the surgery cause by him hitting or playing OF or DH-ing? No - it was due to him pitching.

So - any team wanting to sign him long-term (10 years) has to weigh that pitching more = hitting better, but pitching = injury = not hitting as well.

I’m not being critical of the man - he’s incredible both ways.

It’s just that there is an argument to be made on both sides re: health if you are looking for a good long-term ROI as an owner/GM.

Give him $550M over 10 years. Fine - but here are your choices that will be questioned by pundits in retrospect:

(1) You knew that he hits better when you let him pitch - why didn’t you?
(2) You knew that pitching can injure him, and he doesn’t hit as well when he can’t pitch - why did you let him pitch?

I’m not being argumentative with anyone or in any way being critical of this man’s unique and amazing skill set, but I’m asking if any GM owner has asked themselves this question.

Trueblue · 07-01-2023, 02:34 PM

That's like saying what are you going to do with your lottery winnings after you buy the ticket and win.

Ziggy · 07-01-2023, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rage

All on eBay. Finding auctions at weird times ending too low or new listing BINs that are underpriced. Picking up lots of non RC stuff lately but still the random 2018 card here and there. Definitely see lots of people coming out of the woodwork to list any and all Ohtanis they have, some way over priced, but you can tell some listers haven't been keeping up with his market and under price it just enough to scoop up
Also helps that I search multiple times a day for many saved searches and have been looking almost exclusively at Ohtani cards for the last couple years so I can tell pretty quickly if I need to jump on a BIN before looking around for comps and missing out. Do your Market research!!

Same! I found some auctions that ended within 1-2 hours of each other, and was able to catch a deal 15% below comps, simply because buyers were either spooked at the low number of bids/price, or just plain luck. A coulple other times people just priced things way too low and I jumped on it. I buy for PC so it's nice to pick stuff up on the cheap.

deemsterz33 · 07-01-2023, 03:33 PM

What's the story behind the Topps Complete Set Chrome Refractor batting variation? Is it considered a parallel of the Topps set, since it's numbered #700?

PeteD · 07-01-2023, 09:16 PM

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1561044

Why can't i have luck like this?

ThoseBackPages · 07-01-2023, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

What's the story behind the Topps Complete Set Chrome Refractor batting variation? Is it considered a parallel of the Topps set, since it's numbered #700?

i am 99% sure they were only in the WalMart Green Cube Factory Sets.

i would not consider them a parallel of the Rookie Card, due to image change

Trueblue · 07-01-2023, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i am 99% sure they were only in the WalMart Green Cube Factory Sets.

i would not consider them a parallel of the Rookie Card, due to image change

Yep, the square blue box set. Those chromies are actually pretty tough to gem due to them being on the end and susceptible to denting. Man, 2018 was such a golden year.

Qubits · 07-01-2023, 09:39 PM

I'm putting together the #700 rainbow (other than clear and platinum) and don't personally consider the complete set chrome refractor as part of it.

I have however been contemplating picking up the #700 Babe Ruth image variation.

PLB9eight · 07-01-2023, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Qubits

I'm putting together the #700 rainbow (other than clear and platinum) and don't personally consider the complete set chrome refractor as part of it.

I have however been contemplating picking up the #700 Babe Ruth image variation.

I think the Ruth variation would be a cool addition to the rest.

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Trueblue · 07-01-2023, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Qubits

I'm putting together the #700 rainbow (other than clear and platinum) and don't personally consider the complete set chrome refractor as part of it.

I have however been contemplating picking up the #700 Babe Ruth image variation.

I hear you, but forget it's retail complete set for just one second and look. You need one.

SupermanBrandon · 07-01-2023, 09:59 PM

On the same pace as Aaron Judge. I can feel 63.

Ty Hope · 07-01-2023, 09:59 PM

05/20

Qubits · 07-01-2023, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PLB9eight

I think the Ruth variation would be a cool addition to the rest.

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Yeah I agree. That being said, it'll likely be the absolute last one I pick up.

Still missing purple, foilboard, vintage, negative, black.

I'm also missing the All Star game stamp version but I already have the complete set #5 insert one in a PSA 10 and to me its the same damn card so I'm unsure I'll ever pick up the #700.

Qubits · 07-01-2023, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

I hear you, but forget it's retail complete set for just one second and look. You need one.

Oh dear, I forgot there were colors of this one too.... yeah I'm just gonna continue ignoring its status in the rainbow to keep myself sane.

Ty Hope · 07-01-2023, 10:02 PM

ThoseBackPages · 07-01-2023, 10:03 PM

Ty with the unfair advantage

Qubits · 07-01-2023, 10:07 PM

That's a cool lookin' Ohtani

Ty Hope · 07-01-2023, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Ty with the unfair advantage

Hey buddy! Been waaaay too long. How goes?
I actually pulled both of these like 6 years ago. The patch os from bbm genesis and the Calbee is a bag of potato chips lol

ThoseBackPages · 07-01-2023, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Hope

Hey buddy! Been waaaay too long. How goes?
I actually pulled both of these like 6 years ago. The patch os from bbm genesis and the Calbee is a bag of potato chips lol

it goes! haha. hope (no pun intended haha) you are well on that side of the world!

those are some incredible Ohtani's!

FCB FOREVA!

Ty Hope · 07-01-2023, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

it goes! haha. hope (no pun intended haha) you are well on that side of the world!

those are some incredible Ohtani's!

FCB FOREVA!

It’s going well here. Very hot and humid… Night Crew! Good times!
Thanks, I’m glad I held those.

ThoseBackPages · 07-01-2023, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Hope

It’s going well here. Very hot and humid… Night Crew! Good times!
Thanks, I’m glad I held those.

Cards and 401K · 07-01-2023, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

I hear you, but forget it's retail complete set for just one second and look. You need one.

Dam nice card may have to open a couple 18 complete retail anyone know the print run or numbered on the orange?

Trueblue · 07-01-2023, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

Dam nice card may have to open a couple 18 complete retail anyone know the print run or numbered on the orange?

Standard TC numbering. /25

Ziggy · 07-01-2023, 10:53 PM

Rough night this evening. Maybe he'll catch a break on the next AB.. Some great pitches from Nelson.

Vdm2018 · 07-01-2023, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggy

Rough night this evening. Maybe he'll catch a break on the next AB.. Some great pitches from Nelson.

Time to sell

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ScooterD Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 5,347	The reason I ask is because the whole thing is cyclical. He hits better in the seasons where he also pitches. His “down” offensive years were when he wasn’t pitching. He didn’t pitch due to TJ surgery. Was the surgery cause by him hitting or playing OF or DH-ing? No - it was due to him pitching. So - any team wanting to sign him long-term (10 years) has to weigh that pitching more = hitting better, but pitching = injury = not hitting as well. I’m not being critical of the man - he’s incredible both ways. It’s just that there is an argument to be made on both sides re: health if you are looking for a good long-term ROI as an owner/GM. Give him $550M over 10 years. Fine - but here are your choices that will be questioned by pundits in retrospect: (1) You knew that he hits better when you let him pitch - why didn’t you? (2) You knew that pitching can injure him, and he doesn’t hit as well when he can’t pitch - why did you let him pitch? I’m not being argumentative with anyone or in any way being critical of this man’s unique and amazing skill set, but I’m asking if any GM owner has asked themselves this question.

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Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,738	That's like saying what are you going to do with your lottery winnings after you buy the ticket and win.

07-01-2023, 03:33 PM	#13029
deemsterz33 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 5,924 phunkified	What's the story behind the Topps Complete Set Chrome Refractor batting variation? Is it considered a parallel of the Topps set, since it's numbered #700?

07-01-2023, 09:39 PM	#13033
Qubits Member Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: South Carolina Posts: 840	I'm putting together the #700 rainbow (other than clear and platinum) and don't personally consider the complete set chrome refractor as part of it. I have however been contemplating picking up the #700 Babe Ruth image variation.

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SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	On the same pace as Aaron Judge. I can feel 63.

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Ty Hope Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,868	05/20

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07-01-2023, 10:07 PM	#13042
Qubits Member Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: South Carolina Posts: 840	That's a cool lookin' Ohtani

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Ziggy Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Posts: 178	Rough night this evening. Maybe he'll catch a break on the next AB.. Some great pitches from Nelson.