The burlap is back! First Buzz: 2017 Topps Heritage baseball cards (will update)

[phillysfinest]

Originally Posted by mfw13

You create new value in several ways:

#1 - increase the number of base cards and/or SP's per box. Heritage would be a perfect product to try this. How about 12-15 cards per pack instead of nine, and SP's seeded 1:2 instead of 1:3.

#2 - better designs and fresher product concepts....not applicable to Heritage, but very applicable to other product lines.

#3 - lower box prices

#4 - better distribution so that kids have more places they are exposed to cards....get cards into schools and little league programs....have card giveaways at every single MLB/MILB weekend game. I posted this in another thread, but when I was a kid (in the 80's), there were eight different places within walking distance of my house where I could buy cards....today there are ZERO.

I agree with you and wish things could go back to the way it was in the 80's but I think like everything else- baseball cards had their time and place in the pop culture spotlight but there is just too much else out there now a days and baseball cards are what they are- a niche. Everyone I knew collected them in the 80s but now I have three kids and non of there friends collect. My kids aren't interested most of the time other than to spend time with me at card shows or the LCS. I agree distribution seems worse but I really don't know what topps can do. As I mentioned earlier Baseball has by far the oldest fan demos of any of the major sports and I think that is what hurts cards the most. No amount of ease of access is going to get kids collecting. They need to enjoy baseball first and those numbers are dwindling. Also, its not like topps is making a boatload of money off heritage as it is- I just don't see how they can lower prices- considering how much they pay for licensing and other aspects of production. Topps has to cater to its largest coustomer base if it wants to stay in business. I agree it sucks to an extent and I do agree they could do better on the design aspect. My biggest pet peeve is not changing the flagship design more distinctly each year. I loved being able to look at a card and know what year it was by the design.

[ThoseBackPages]

and there we have it!

https://twitter.com/Topps/status/836647880958087168

all three in the action set!

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

11 Relics, 1 auto and no Major SP?

I'm assuming 12 action as well?

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

for $650, cant expect more then one auto per case IMO

Were long past that point though. Very few people in here ripping for that price.

$950/cs for 1 auto. Wam, Bam, Thank you Mam.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Were long past that point though. Very few people in here ripping for that price.

$950/cs for 1 auto. Wam, Bam, Thank you Mam.

That is not Topps' concern or fault though

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

FYI the codes for the color backs are same as base cards and same for blue borders. The trout was standard. The yellow is easy to see diff in person. Finished case. 11 relics and this ink:


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1 auto but looks like lot of other nice goodies...

Plus auto was pretty solid... There is 18 random 1968 players on checklist..

I cant stand those.. But im guessing lots of collectors like them

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

That is not Topps' concern or fault though

Correct. You and I know that. But will this surplus of 'new' Heritage guys know that?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Correct. You and I know that. But will this surplus of 'new' Heritage guys know that?

No, they absolutely will not! there WILL be a lot of "$85 and a white GU??!?!? WTF TOPPS?" folks LOL

[mfisher27]

I believe it was 20 actions of veterans and then 5 rookie actions.

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

how many Actions in Low# this year?

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

how many Actions in Low# this year?

I just posted checklist to CC and beckett, should be up both places soon

6 rc, kershaw #400 and then 18 401-500 guys


Codes...Base ends in 1867, SP 69, Error 70, Action 71, Throwback 72, Traded 73, Color Swap 74


ps-of approx 19 cases I know of, only heard of 1 throwback, BUT ZERO errors and ZERO traded, yet those are supposed to be 1 every 1,000 packs or so each
may have a major pack-out issue, or wrong odds posted on packs

[RollBamaRoll]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Correct. You and I know that. But will this surplus of 'new' Heritage guys know that?

This. Especially in the past when it seems like it's been 3-4 autos per case (may not be accurate, can't remember)

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I just posted checklist to CC and beckett, should be up both places soon

6 rc, kershaw #400 and then 18 401-500 guys


Codes...Base ends in 1867, SP 69, Error 70, Action 71, Throwback 72, Traded 73, Color Swap 74

NICE! TY!

[mfisher27]

Skipping 68?

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I just posted checklist to CC and beckett, should be up both places soon

6 rc, kershaw #400 and then 18 401-500 guys


Codes...Base ends in 1867, SP 69, Error 70, Action 71, Throwback 72, Traded 73, Color Swap 74

[chezball]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

No, they absolutely will not! there WILL be a lot of "$85 and a white GU??!?!? WTF TOPPS?" folks LOL

happens every year, this year won't be any different.
choo choo get on the heritage train or get off.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Gmrson

I don't think this is economically possible.

Sure it is...you could do it easily for Heritage by having:

12-15 base cards a pack instead of nine
SP's at a 1:2 ratio instead of 1:3
more chromes/refractors per box (maybe 4-6, instead of just one)
guaranteed mini in every box
guaranteed Bazooka in every box
guaranteed 3D in every box (instead of having them as box toppers)
guaranteed action variation in every box
more creative & valuable box-toppers

All of these ideas would cost Topps almost nothing, increase the value proposition at the box level, and have only a minimal effect on value at the case level (inserts would decrease in value, but case-breakers would get more of them).

The SSP's errors & throwbacks would stay as rare as they are currently, as would the autographs.

[ThoseBackPages]

Just saw that the picture on Bennys Base RC and Action RC are the same. Major mess up by Topps on that

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I just posted checklist to CC and beckett, should be up both places soon

6 rc, kershaw #400 and then 18 401-500 guys


Codes...Base ends in 1867, SP 69, Error 70, Action 71, Throwback 72, Traded 73, Color Swap 74


ps-of approx 19 cases I know of, only heard of 1 throwback, BUT ZERO errors and ZERO traded, yet those are supposed to be 1 every 1,000 packs or so each
may have a major pack-out issue, or wrong odds posted on packs

How Many autos per case are you generally seeing 1,2, 3?

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

How Many autos per case are you generally seeing 1,2, 3?

I don't have reports from everyone on that but 1-3 is the norm

[Technochocolate]

I don't get the ROI talk on individual boxes. 8 SPs, 8 inserts (tougher to get), 4-5 other things that can be worth a couple bucks apiece...you're getting 50-60% of your money back minimum in the worst box, right? There's an extremely high floor in this product, isn't there?

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I don't have reports from everyone on that but 1-3 is the norm

Ok so the 1 is not an outlier is what I am trying to confirm. Was hoping the 1 cases would have something else huge in them.

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I don't have reports from everyone on that but 1-3 is the norm

i have heard of 3 breaks

all had 1 auto

[parkerj33]

Quick summary: I only checked codes of cards in middle of pack (the hit spot). I could have missed. Case summary :
96 sp (4 dupes)
3 color
12 action
11 relics( 1 teal #/99)
1 blue ink
1 gold back
1 yellow back
12 chrome
5 refs #/568
24 purple refs
1 mini
1 3D
1 blue ref #/68
5 buyback
6 panels
8 blue
2 giveaways
Rediscover: 4 blue 1 red 10 gold 23 bronze 10 silver
29 game
13 fb
15 news
15 tn
24 nap



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[GreatAlbert]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Sure it is...you could do it easily for Heritage by having:

12-15 base cards a pack instead of nine
SP's at a 1:2 ratio instead of 1:3
more chromes/refractors per box (maybe 4-6, instead of just one)
guaranteed mini in every box
guaranteed Bazooka in every box
guaranteed 3D in every box (instead of having them as box toppers)
guaranteed action variation in every box
more creative & valuable box-toppers

All of these ideas would cost Topps almost nothing, increase the value proposition at the box level, and have only a minimal effect on value at the case level (inserts would decrease in value, but case-breakers would get more of them).

The SSP's errors & throwbacks would stay as rare as they are currently, as would the autographs.

I don't think you're getting it. This would have a MASSIVE effect on the value. Bazookas would go from 15-20 per down to 3-5. Plus others.

[BlowoutBuzz]

Up to six solo rookies here >> BlowoutBuzz.com #collect

[mfisher27]

I think they're all like that this year.

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Just saw that the picture on Bennys Base RC and Action RC are the same. Major mess up by Topps on that