The burlap is back! First Buzz: 2017 Topps Heritage baseball cards (will update)

[Gmrson]

Originally Posted by mfw13

In the past, most people opened boxes of baseball cards in order to enjoy the cards inside. They did not open them for the sole purpose of trying to re-sell them for a profit.

Or worry about value....

[PoPCulture]

Originally Posted by mfw13

And it wasn't gambling back then....a box of 1983 Topps cost under $11 and netted you 540 cards.....

Don't forget about the 36 pieces of gum.....

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by phillysfinest

My take as someone who grew up collecting in the 80's is that the baseball card industry can't afford to go back to that model you want. I don't think there are enough people who want to collect cards and have no intentions of selling them. The market place for all entertainment and hobby related items have so many more options than they did before which has shrunk the number of new customers to the hobby and those peoples starting point would be the sets you advocate. The customer base/just like the fan base of baseball in general is aging and I just don't think the industry could sustain itself catering to a base of collector that is shrinking. With an older demographic comes more disposable income and I just don't see a bunch of $20-40 boxes catching anyone's desire to collect and you want more value- well value is only determined by someone else wanting to buy something for a shrinking industry how do you propose creating this new demand which I turn creates the value? I see a bunch of dead horse Beating but no actually solutions offered.

You create new value in several ways:

#1 - increase the number of base cards and/or SP's per box. Heritage would be a perfect product to try this. How about 12-15 cards per pack instead of nine, and SP's seeded 1:2 instead of 1:3.

#2 - better designs and fresher product concepts....not applicable to Heritage, but very applicable to other product lines.

#3 - lower box prices

#4 - better distribution so that kids have more places they are exposed to cards....get cards into schools and little league programs....have card giveaways at every single MLB/MILB weekend game. I posted this in another thread, but when I was a kid (in the 80's), there were eight different places within walking distance of my house where I could buy cards....today there are ZERO.

[ThoseBackPages]

it really is scary that in 2017, doing a wax search on eBay, you MUST include " -break "

[mfisher27]

So does this mean your Trout from your previous post was a yellow back? It looks like the Teheran pic. What did the Russell end up being? It was really dark.

What were the codes?

Originally Posted by parkerj33

I was wrong. Here is a yellow Teheran. And here is what the color swaps look like.


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[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Tim

agree partially but you said it only started when topps took over in the last 5-10 years and I am telling you it started in 1983 - I was a collector/buyer/dealer then and I know this first hand. Happened again in 1984 with Mattingly, on and on. when people - kids and adults alike - open packs of cards and hope for mattingly and don't get it - and then throw the cards away - that's no different from getting a worthless lottery ticket. they gambled and lost lol.

if anything heritage is the product the least likely to be considered gambling since there IS value in every single box.

Well, you hit on a crucial fact....in 1983 you were also a dealer....i.e. by setting up at shows/owning a store you had a way to sell cards at full price. But for most collectors, your only option back then was to sell to a dealer at 25-30% of Beckett. EBay didn't exist. The market was highly illiquid, and very few people had the means to re-sell the cards they had.

[GreatAlbert]

I would think most collectors and dealers would easily consider Heritage a low end product. There's a reason why these products are made at their price point, and it all boils down to simple economics. If you can't afford a product that is $3-4 a pack, then you have other problems and money shouldn't be spent on cards. Cut and dry. If you can only afford a box that's $1/pack then buy Opening Day and Bunt. There's a reason why there aren't more of these products produced and that's because money doesn't and wouldn't flow into those products today. Does it suck for you, yes. But we have ample opportunities out there to provide for ourselves.

[parkerj33]

FYI the codes for the color backs are same as base cards and same for blue borders. The trout was standard. The yellow is easy to see diff in person. Finished case. 11 relics and this ink:


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[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by GreatAlbert

I would think most collectors and dealers would easily consider Heritage a low end product. There's a reason why these products are made at their price point, and it all boils down to simple economics. If you can't afford a product that is $3-4 a pack, then you have other problems and money shouldn't be spent on cards. Cut and dry. If you can only afford a box that's $1/pack then buy Opening Day and Bunt. There's a reason why there aren't more of these products produced and that's because money doesn't and wouldn't flow into those products today. Does it suck for you, yes. But we have ample opportunities out there to provide for ourselves.

Without talking to much economics, because I am pumped to get my cases and rip.....this is what I was trying to say about 15 pages ago. Heritage is on its way to a $5-6 a pack product. That will have long term repercussions which is why I hope the price deflates after release at least a little.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Gmrson

Or worry about value....

It's not worrying about value, per se, it's worrying about the size of the potential loss.

I'm happy to routinely take a 10-20% loss on a box, because that is compensated for by the pleasure of opening the box and getting the cards.

I'm neither able or willing to routinely take 50%+ losses on boxes.

That's why I'm arguing that the value needs to be redirected to providing more value at the box level, instead of the case level.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

FYI the codes for the color backs are same as base cards and same for blue borders. The trout was standard. The yellow is easy to see diff in person. Finished case. 11 relics and this ink:


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11 Relics, 1 auto and no Major SP?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

So if I know that my package is on the way to UPS in my town can I pick it up this afternoon or tonight when it arrives?

If it's due for delivery tomorrow then the trailer won't be unloaded until tomorrow.

[ThoseBackPages]

Heritage is NOT worth $5 a pack, any year

[RollBamaRoll]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Finished case. 11 relics and this ink

So 1 auto per case on average?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

11 Relics, 1 auto and no Major SP?

sounds about right

[RollBamaRoll]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

sounds about right

Oof.

[parkerj33]

It that I can find. I did get a blue ref and a trout color swap. Those blue refs look very close to the purple hot box ref.


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[GreatAlbert]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Without talking to much economics, because I am pumped to get my cases and rip.....this is what I was trying to say about 15 pages ago. Heritage is on its way to a $5-6 a pack product. That will have long term repurcussions which is why I hope the price deflates after release at least a little.

I agree that it should stick between 3-4 bucks per, but I'm on the train and I'm not getting off. If they start going to 10 per, maybe I go half a case.

I guess I could make the same argument with Flawless and say I want to bring it down to 200/box because that's what I can afford, but let's be honest with ourselves.

I rip for fun and something to do with my dad. I'm glad I have a good job that I worked very hard for and am able to afford to buy a case of this product. I see more value outside of simply what it sold for on eBay.

Now back to the action...

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by RollBamaRoll

Oof.

for $650, cant expect more then one auto per case IMO

[chezball]

Don't know you guys respond to certain members.

[brentandbecca]

Codes...Base ends in 1867, SP 69, Error 70, Action 71, Throwback 72, Traded 73, Color Swap 74

[parkerj33]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

It that I can find. I did get a blue ref and a trout color swap. Those blue refs look very close to the purple hot box ref.


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#/568 ozuna. purple bumgarner. #/68 (guilito)



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[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by BigSeph

It would appear they will have RC variations for the guys like Swanson and Benintendi (like last year). If someone finds out odds (they were ~1/case last year, right?) please pass it along.

Andrew Benintendi 2017 TOPPS HERITAGE ROOKIE SSP PHOTO VARIATION #314 RED SOX | eBay

1 per box for an action sp, same as last year

[parkerj33]

I am going to Start posting in a box break thread so as to not clutter this thread with baseball cards !!


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[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

1 per box for an action sp, same as last year

how many Actions in Low# this year?