Harry Potter Artbox Autographs

[daviswr7]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Guys, thank you for the kind comments. Unlike sports cards, I've found that the HP stuff is tougher to find like-minded collectors. I started a fun group of collectors on IG where we chat about this stuff, but, there isn't really a organized way to talk about these things.

A few thoughts on the comments above -

The GoF quad is one of the best looking cards in the whole run, imo. The Bellatrix HBP auto is my personal favorite aesthetically - and the Luna from the same set is really nice too (still need to add that one).

The GoF quad is just a really really well designed card with 4 actors who have a good reason to be on the same card. I've argued that the first Hermoine and first Harry are better cards, but I think the general consensus is that the quad is the second best HP card next to the triple... I can live with that, though, I still think it's 4th. To me, the first Harry and Hermoine are just incredible incredible cards. That's why you'll notice I have two graded copies of each in the pic above.

The Triple is the reason I started collecting this stuff. @yamwax on IG sent me a picture and I just became obsessed. I spent so much time over a few months scowering the internet, Facebook groups, here on BO, IG, old websites, writing messages looking for the card. I found 9 individual copies of the card... and I couldn't believe how strongly those owners held those cards. I couldn't get anyone to cave. I started with a price that seemed outlandishly high, and in the end paid more than 2x that price. I just can't emphasize enough how emotionally connected the owners are to that card.

One kind lady basically told me "It's the center of my whole collection. If I sell that, why would I keep the rest?" One owner said something like "I'll throw out a crazy number. When you get there, let's talk". I got to that number later that week and he responded, "I'm so sorry, I just can't sell the card". One guy I found on here couldn't believe my first offer was real. By then end, I had doubled it, but he said his wife still wouldn't sell the card.

The chase was frustrating and so much fun at the same time. I am sure I overspent... but you know what? I seriously don't even care. Lol. I'm glad to have it and I'm seriously having so much fun with this stuff. My kids have been a part of it, and that makes it more fun.

I have a list of about 10 more HP cards that I think i want to add but it keeps growing. I'm going to take it slow, I think, and hope that they come to me somehow, but no need to rush it now that i have the biggies out of the way. Plus, I have to get back to a good financial situation. I sold a lot of good stuff to get this one. Basketball will continue to be more focus... like 95% of my focus. But I am loving this stuff.

I sent my first ever direct submission to PSA last week. Wish me luck!

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Did you pick that Garnett card up recently here in Utah? That card was in my shop back in December, really wanted to buy it from a customer, but he was not selling.

[the27guy]

Did you pick that Garnett card up recently here in Utah? That card was in my shop back in December, really wanted to buy it from a customer, but he was not selling.[/QUOTE]

yep. sure did.

[daviswr7]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Did you pick that Garnett card up recently here in Utah? That card was in my shop back in December, really wanted to buy it from a customer, but he was not selling.

yep. sure did.[/QUOTE]

Lol good on u. That one slipped through my fingers for sure.

[alifaxwa2]

Thought you all might like my recent custom;

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by alifaxwa2

Thought you all might like my recent custom;

This is very very cool. Oh how I wish they would have gotten him to sign! I can't remember if I've mentioned it before in this thread, but he's definitely in the top 10 cards I wish Artbox had been able to make (At least we have Michel Gambon).

1. Snape - Alan Rickman. This would have been one of the true chases of the run, but, alas, he didn't sign.
2. Hagrid - Robbie Coltraine. Huge omission.
3. JK Rowling - Doesn't fit for obvious reasons, but would have been huge.
4. Voldamort- Ralph Fiennes
5. Umbridge - Imelda Staunton - so scary, I'm not sure I'd want to own this one. Lol.
6. Original Dumbledore - Richard Harris - especially if he just had one auto... it would have been huge.
7. Arthur Weasley - Mark Williams. The actress who played Molly only signed one card. Her partner in crime didn't sign any. It's too bad. They were more important to the series than they get credit for.

Nobody else really important really comes to my mind right off. I think basically all of the other important characters throughout the films have autographs.

[ddearing]

Anyone else notice that the hobby box of POA Update running at auction is going to set an all time high and it still has some time to go?

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by ddearing

Anyone else notice that the hobby box of POA Update running at auction is going to set an all time high and it still has some time to go?

Yep. I know several people who are watching that closely. I'm not a wax guy, but most of my friends in the HP world are.

Unlike Marvel, Pokemon, and some of the other non-sports stuff, HP just doesn't have enough open auctions to drive interest. Goldin had the three big auctions, but besides that, we've seen virtually no open auctions. This box, and the Daniel Radcliffe OOTP auto PSA 6 in a few days are really two of the only significant auctions we've seen this year. I wish people would auction more.

[triplefrog]

Originally Posted by ddearing

Anyone else notice that the hobby box of POA Update running at auction is going to set an all time high and it still has some time to go?

It's crazy , only two boxes in each case had an autograph and the majority of those were common signers .

[gghobby]

Originally Posted by triplefrog

It's crazy , only two boxes in each case had an autograph and the majority of those were common signers .

i would love to see if its actually opened.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by triplefrog

It's crazy , only two boxes in each case had an autograph and the majority of those were common signers .

Good news is that very few of them were redemptions at least.

Set Character Name Quantity / Rarity Redemption?
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Harry / Ron / Hermione Triple < 100 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Harry Potter < 100 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Ron Weasley 150 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Hermione Granger 150 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Weasley Brothers 300 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Argus Filch 425 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) The Choir Conductor 425 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Aunt Marge 425 Yes
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) The Fat Lady 425 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Ernie Prang 425 Yes
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Pansy Parkinson 425 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Uncle Vernon 425 Yes
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Stan Shunpike 425 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Dudley Dursley 425 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Percy Weasley 425 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Vincent Crabbe 425 No
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) Choir Director 400 Tin exclusive
Prisoner of Azkaban Update (2004) The Executioner Unknown Incentive

[PrinceVegeta]

Lot of us opened cases of POA Update and it is a brutal set to open. Was fun at 40-50 a box but was a loser most of the time. My autos from my last 2 cases about 6 years ago now

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by PrinceVegeta

Lot of us opened cases of POA Update and it is a brutal set to open. Was fun at 40-50 a box but was a loser most of the time. My autos from my last 2 cases about 6 years ago now

For sure. I get that. $40 to whatever it is today is just so tough if you're opening. But if you want a chance at any of the big cards... and you love a thrill... I can see someone talking themselves into it. 100% not me though. I'd buy a case and get shorted an auto and have another be a redemption. haha.


It's the same in basketball. My mom bought me a 2012 Prizm box for Christmas back then from the LCS for $85.... plus tax. Lol. And today that box is... I don't even know, $15k? Last I heard sell was a little less than that maybe a year ago.

But as you know, the price of wax often doesn't correlate perfectly with the price of singles. That's because it's also a function of how hard those boxes are to find. Fortunately, it seems that some of you smart non-smart people were smarter than us sports guys, and actually saved some sealed boxes. haha. I know several people who have at least a single box of 2004 PoAu. I don't know if I know anyone who's holding 2012 Prizm (which is funny since it's nearly a decade newer).

[DynaEtch]

A definite save-unopened imo. All the major autos live. The value is in that potential, however slim- this box could be a connection to those major autos for some people, the only possible connection, since finding/acquiring the autos themselves is prohibitive for most. The connection is almost certainly gone once the box is opened.

[the27guy]

Seller messaged me that the box was sold and paid for at $3050. I don’t know boxes well enough but I’m hearing from others that that’s a record.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Seller messaged me that the box was sold and paid for at $3050. I don’t know boxes well enough but I’m hearing from others that that’s a record.

$3050 for a box of Harry Potter is insane. Just nothing to justify that price point. Even with the long shot of a triple.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

$3050 for a box of Harry Potter is insane. Just nothing to justify that price point. Even with the long shot of a triple.

Hey brother. My first reaction to this was going to be something along the lines of "yeah, you're right" but I think I want to qualify that.

I don't open wax. Almost ever. That's because, in general, it's a terrible value proposition across the board, and I think it's true that this stuff at $3k a box is very likely to be a ninety something percent loss.

But, I think what's worth pointing out here is that that's obviously not something that's limited to HP POAU boxes.... I see box break after box break of 90's basketball (literally my favorite thing to collect) and it's just a total disaster. Like, boxes where you've got virtually no chance of pulling a single rare parallel, and then, even if you do pull it, you're not paying for your box unless you hit a top 20 guy in the set of 200... and don't even get me started on Exquisite era stuff. 90-something percent loss stuff at this point. I'm not sure newer stuff is that much better, either.

Even 2012 Prizm, which I mentioned earlier. Sure, you'll get all the base that you can grade and you might even get lucky and get a gold - very likely a nobody... but the odds of recouping your cost is probably 40:1 at this point on that stuff too.

At least with the HP stuff, you have a realistic chance of getting something good - again, not that people are going to actually open this stuff.

Check this out. According to the nslists data I posted earlier, there are 5,475-ish Poau autographs and they are reported to be 2-3/case, or 1:4 boxes. If that's all true, and the triple, Harry, Ron, and Weasley brothers cards are each limited to 100, 100, 150, 150, and 300 as estimated on nslists, then those 5 cards make up nearly 15% of all autographs from the product and combine to fall, on average about 1:27.4 boxes. You get one of the best HP auto cards 1:27.4 boxes. That's not great when you consider that it's going to cost you $85k to get one, lol, but it still feels better than opening 90's basketball.

Again, I'm not a wax guy. It's not my thing. But, I think there's far worse wax than $3k a box of PoAu which at least gives you some chance of probably 3 of the best 5 HP cards out there.

[nabzy28]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Hey brother. My first reaction to this was going to be something along the lines of "yeah, you're right" but I think I want to qualify that.

I don't open wax. Almost ever. That's because, in general, it's a terrible value proposition across the board, and I think it's true that this stuff at $3k a box is very likely to be a ninety something percent loss.

But, I think what's worth pointing out here is that that's obviously not something that's limited to HP POAU boxes.... I see box break after box break of 90's basketball (literally my favorite thing to collect) and it's just a total disaster. Like, boxes where you've got virtually no chance of pulling a single rare parallel, and then, even if you do pull it, you're not paying for your box unless you hit a top 20 guy in the set of 200... and don't even get me started on Exquisite era stuff. 90-something percent loss stuff at this point. I'm not sure newer stuff is that much better, either.

Even 2012 Prizm, which I mentioned earlier. Sure, you'll get all the base that you can grade and you might even get lucky and get a gold - very likely a nobody... but the odds of recouping your cost is probably 40:1 at this point on that stuff too.

At least with the HP stuff, you have a realistic chance of getting something good - again, not that people are going to actually open this stuff.

Check this out. According to the nslists data I posted earlier, there are 5,475-ish Poau autographs and they are reported to be 2-3/case, or 1:4 boxes. If that's all true, and the triple, Harry, Ron, and Weasley brothers cards are each limited to 100, 100, 150, 150, and 300 as estimated on nslists, then those 5 cards make up nearly 15% of all autographs from the product and combine to fall, on average about 1:27.4 boxes. You get one of the best HP auto cards 1:27.4 boxes. That's not great when you consider that it's going to cost you $85k to get one, lol, but it still feels better than opening 90's basketball.

Again, I'm not a wax guy. It's not my thing. But, I think there's far worse wax than $3k a box of PoAu which at least gives you some chance of probably 3 of the best 5 HP cards out there.

There is, because it's all that's left. I just clicked on the link for the UD online retailers in the spidey thread and LOL'd at the prices. $80 boxes of cards that were, literally, given away as free 'gifts' with your order years ago. $100 boxes of Rittenhouse marvel stuff from a decade ago where most of the sketch cards would net you about $3, unless it's somewhat decent of a major character and, even then, a lot of those weren't so good either. Non sports is only in the beginning of people/collectors looking at it like sports collectors look at cards. Factoring in scarcity is only VERY recent in non-sports. There are, absolutely, still a lot of opportunities in non-sports.

[DynaEtch]

The sealed box is a collectible unit in itself, sometimes not even proportional to contents. Its serial number is the number of boxes that remain in existence out there- subject to change, always in the decreasing direction. I know very little about these , but I wonder just how many sealed boxes of some of these artbox boxes still exist out there. Comparable to like Marvel Retro perhaps? I see one other box of POAU on ebay for 10k obo.

[yaoming]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Seller messaged me that the box was sold and paid for at $3050. I don’t know boxes well enough but I’m hearing from others that that’s a record.

That s insane wow. How about other series? I have a couple of sealed boxes left.


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[the27guy]

Originally Posted by nabzy28

There is, because it's all that's left. I just clicked on the link for the UD online retailers in the spidey thread and LOL'd at the prices. $80 boxes of cards that were, literally, given away as free 'gifts' with your order years ago. $100 boxes of Rittenhouse marvel stuff from a decade ago where most of the sketch cards would net you about $3, unless it's somewhat decent of a major character and, even then, a lot of those weren't so good either. Non sports is only in the beginning of people/collectors looking at it like sports collectors look at cards. Factoring in scarcity is only VERY recent in non-sports. There are, absolutely, still a lot of opportunities in non-sports.

Yeah, the whole wax market for basically everything has just gone absolutely cuckoo.

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

The sealed box is a collectible unit in itself, sometimes not even proportional to contents. Its serial number is the number of boxes that remain in existence out there- subject to change, always in the decreasing direction. I know very little about these , but I wonder just how many sealed boxes of some of these artbox boxes still exist out there. Comparable to like Marvel Retro perhaps? I see one other box of POAU on ebay for 10k obo.

I have never collected boxes. But some people do. I get the appeal but just can't see past the avg value of the contents. The serial numbering is interesting. I'd honestly like to know more about that.

Originally Posted by yaoming

That s insane wow. How about other series? I have a couple of sealed boxes left.


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My guess is that you know more about this than I do brother. I am not in on the wax market at all. But it does make sense if the autos go up the wax does too.

One thing to note is that PoA and PoAU (The two first sets) have very few redemptions and none for the most popular cards. GOF has a ton of redemptions. GoF update has the Quad which is a redemption. OOTP is almost all redemptions (Harry, Ron and Hermoine were all redemptions). And so on.

So even though PoAu is not the best odds, it does have the biggest cards and they're not redemptions.

[the27guy]

A few notable sales that I can personally confirm.

1. Harry Potter OOTP PSA 6 closed on ebay and was paid for - $3,551.00
2. Luna Lovegood HBP raw closed on ebay and was paid for - $400
3. Ginny Weasley PoA raw closed on ebay and was paid for - $162.50

[DynaEtch]

Someone got a good deal on that Harry Potter...dang kind of wish I was following that one.

I dont know if others are like me, but for a card this desirable, one of the big 3, and so few out there on the marketplace, it really doesnt matter much whether it is a PSA 6. I'd be cracking that right out...not being a big fan of grading and also who even cares that much about the condition, still a Radcliffe auto just the same. I compare a graded desirable auto card like this to a graded sketch card: not needed.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Someone got a good deal on that Harry Potter...dang kind of wish I was following that one.

I dont know if others are like me, but for a card this desirable, one of the big 3, and so few out there on the marketplace, it really doesnt matter much whether it is a PSA 6. I'd be cracking that right out...not being a big fan of grading and also who even cares that much about the condition, still a Radcliffe auto just the same. I compare a graded desirable auto card like this to a graded sketch card: not needed.

I'm the same in that I don't think grade matters a lot, but the prices have gotten to the point, that I do care about them being authenticated.

And my reasoning of getting the card and auto both graded is that I figure, if I'm going to send it in, I might as well get it all done at the same time. Lol. I have a Sirius coming back from PSA that is likely a 6. I thought my Hermoine was a 9... they're not easy grades.

That's my long way of saying, nothing wrong with a 6 on that card, imo.

[oldgoldy97]

Harry Potter Prizm.....


$5000 a box? Shouldn’t be hard to get the main cast autos since they don’t do much nowadays.

[daxwills]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Harry Potter Prizm.....


$5000 a box? Shouldn’t be hard to get the main cast autos since they don’t do much nowadays.

I’m not exactly president of her fan club but Emma Watson seems like her career will be fine. But all 3 could just live off residuals and doing cons if they wanted.