Daniel Jones named the starter

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by 7hTarget

Idk how this beauty was just glossed over. Perfect.

Make it seem like it was 10 pages ago

[LC2nine10]

Originally Posted by ILOVEBEER

Seems like he's getting another "pass". The hypocrisy in this hobby is amazing.

He also hasnt been running his mouth nonstop since ge got drafted. On a team expected to be pretty horrible. He wasnt hyped coming in, most people thiught his pick was a reach, so its expected. If he was a bonafide consensus top 5 pick playing like this people would be talking more.

[ILOVEBEER]

Originally Posted by LC2nine10

He also hasnt been running his mouth nonstop since ge got drafted. On a team expected to be pretty horrible. He wasnt hyped coming in, most people thiught his pick was a reach, so its expected. If he was a bonafide consensus top 5 pick playing like this people would be talking more.

Playing bad knows no boundaries. Hate to break it to you, but it will be pretty tough for Jones to beat Baker's rookie numbers. Baker isn't playing that well this season, but we saw what he's capable of.

I've been in the hobby long enough. Jones is a rookie behind a hated Eli Manning. No matter how bad he plays, most in this hobby will ignore it just because. Some have him pegged as another Mahomes. I don't see that comparison at all.

[bigp621]

Once he has all of his weapons we will see. Tough stretch but doesn't matter how good you are but if that o-line is trash, d is trash makes for a tough time don't care who it is. D needs to make stops and allow the Offense time then the Offense needs to play well to give the d time to breath, pretty sure giants don't really have either right now

[Grid]

Originally Posted by ILOVEBEER

He's playing like Baker.....

Baker wishes

Mayfield is averaging 248 total yards per start, fewer than 1 TD per game and a QBR of 33.2 (31st in the league). He has thrown twice as many picks as touchdowns

Jones is averaging 246 total yards per start, almost 2 TD's per game and a QBR of 58.6 (10th in the league) His INT to TD ration is nearly 1 for 1 after last night.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by ILOVEBEER

Playing bad knows no boundaries. Hate to break it to you, but it will be pretty tough for Jones to beat Baker's rookie numbers. Baker isn't playing that well this season, but we saw what he's capable of.

I've been in the hobby long enough. Jones is a rookie behind a hated Eli Manning. No matter how bad he plays, most in this hobby will ignore it just because. Some have him pegged as another Mahomes. I don't see that comparison at all.

100% agree with DJ not being the next Mahomes. Ironically enough, he might ascend to be the next Eli manning.

As for Baker's rookie year, its amazing what having game film out on you will do to a QB once coaches can scheme against them.

Not saying baker wont bounce back, but a lot of rookie QB's start off hot, then fizzle their sophomore years once the word is out.

Remember when Vince Young won ROY? Yup.

Sam Bradford went from hope to hopeless fast.

Rookie Year: 354 of 590 for 3,512 yds, 18 TDs vs. 15 INTs, 60 completion percentage

Sophomore Year: 191 of 357 for 2,164 yds, 6 TDs vs. 6 INTs, 53.5 completion percentage

And since we are talking about the Browns, their fans saw a savoir in Tim Couch that 1st year. But...

Rookie Year: 223 of 399 for 2,447 yds, 15 TDs vs. 13 INTs, 55.9 completion percentage

Sophomore Year: 137 of 215 for 1,483 yds, 7 TDs vs. 9 INTs, 63.7 completion percentage

[ILOVEBEER]

Originally Posted by Grid

100% agree with DJ not being the next Mahomes. Ironically enough, he might ascend to be the next Eli manning.

As for Baker's rookie year, its amazing what having game film out on you will do to a QB once coaches can scheme against them.

Not saying baker wont bounce back, but a lot of rookie QB's start off hot, then fizzle their sophomore years once the word is out.

Remember when Vince Young won ROY? Yup.

Sam Bradford went from hope to hopeless fast.

Rookie Year: 354 of 590 for 3,512 yds, 18 TDs vs. 15 INTs, 60 completion percentage

Sophomore Year: 191 of 357 for 2,164 yds, 6 TDs vs. 6 INTs, 53.5 completion percentage

And since we are talking about the Browns, their fans saw a savoir in Tim Couch that 1st year. But...

Rookie Year: 223 of 399 for 2,447 yds, 15 TDs vs. 13 INTs, 55.9 completion percentage

Sophomore Year: 137 of 215 for 1,483 yds, 7 TDs vs. 9 INTs, 63.7 completion percentage

Ok?? So what will happen to Jones? What happens when teams have 14 games to look at? What happens when he has more INTs than TDs this season. I suppose since it's Daniel Jones, we'll have to excuse all that. Haskins has played in one game on one of the worst teams. He's already being written off. Jones?? No way. He's golden.

I just think it's funny who gets love and who gets thrown out. You provided some cool stats for a few QBs. Is Jones the one exception. May be his numbers will be worse next year...

**If you want to throw out some stats, we can bring up Baker's record TD passes last season. He's not winning a SB this season, but look at the two guys behind him in that category. Took Peyton several years to finally get a ring. Just saying, if we're not writing off Jones right now, you can't write off Baker.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by ILOVEBEER

Ok?? So what will happen to Jones? What happens when teams have 14 games to look at? What happens when he has more INTs than TDs this season. I suppose since it's Daniel Jones, we'll have to excuse all that. Haskins has played in one game on one of the worst teams. He's already being written off. Jones?? No way. He's golden.

I just think it's funny who gets love and who gets thrown out. You provided some cool stats for a few QBs. Is Jones the one exception. May be his numbers will be worse next year...

We cant say what will happen in Jones sophomore season, since it hasn't happened yet. But we can look at Baker's, since it is unfolding right now. That is the only comparison you can draw.

I'm not saying Jones is the exception, I'm not a fan of his at all. There doesn't need to be an exception. That is not what my post was about.

Hell, a lot of great QB's continued to build upon their 1st season and become better and better. Like Peyton Manning, Brett Favre and many others.

But you still have players, like Matt Leinart, who set an NFL rookie record with 405 passing yards in a single game, and then...

The hype is fun with Baker. But if anyone who watches football thinks what is happening to him now is nearly impossible, they are nuts. it happens all the time. The Browns work up some new plays, Baker stops showing the same tendencies, he starts having different looks ETC and all that game film and planing becomes worthless. But as long as that team keeps doing "what worked last year" it will start to fizzle against coaches that know what they are doing.

PS, I'm going through the same thing with the Bears O. Nagy ran the same style in KC. It sort of kinda worked in the NFC last year. Now, its garbage, and he needs to blow it up and evolve. Its been figured out. That well has run dry.

I watched a reporter ask Belichick last season, before the Pats played the Bears, if he was worried about played Nagy, and that KC offense now in Chicago. Since the Pats struggled against it with the actual Chiefs. Billy boy said "No, this isn't the Chiefs offense. Its last years Chiefs offense" And he then beat the Bears!

[7hTarget]

I know that Danny Dimes will be better than Trubisky. That much is sure.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by 7hTarget

I know that Danny Dimes will be better than Trubisky. That much is sure.

That seems pretty random. Did someone earlier bring up Mitch in this thread, and I somehow missed it?

I know that Danny Dimes will be better than Ryan Finley. Or better than Brett Hundley.

[7hTarget]

Definitely better than Brett Hundley. IDK about Finley though.

[WallyatJCCards]

Originally Posted by LC2nine10

If he was a bonafide consensus top 5 pick playing like this people would be talking more.

Top 5 QB or Top 5 Overall?

[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by 7hTarget

I know that Danny Dimes will be better than Trubisky. That much is sure.

Trubisky's story isnt done. Needs a fresh start. The O he is on is basically like asking Flacco to run the Lamar Jackson o, in terms of a system using the strengths of a QB to build on.

Trubisky is really good when he gets outside the pocket, can run, and use that skillset. Nagy's crap system is based on short routes, has Mitch stay in the pocket, and theve told him not to run. Also, 4 of the 5 weapons are mini-sized and cant get off the line.

Not saying hes some hidden gem, but Nagy and crew are using him in the worst possible way to take advantage of his skillset.

[ILOVEBEER]

Originally Posted by Grid

We cant say what will happen in Jones sophomore season, since it hasn't happened yet. But we can look at Baker's, since it is unfolding right now. That is the only comparison you can draw.

I'm not saying Jones is the exception, I'm not a fan of his at all. There doesn't need to be an exception. That is not what my post was about.

Hell, a lot of great QB's continued to build upon their 1st season and become better and better. Like Peyton Manning, Brett Favre and many others.

But you still have players, like Matt Leinart, who set an NFL rookie record with 405 passing yards in a single game, and then...

The hype is fun with Baker. But if anyone who watches football thinks what is happening to him now is nearly impossible, they are nuts. it happens all the time. The Browns work up some new plays, Baker stops showing the same tendencies, he starts having different looks ETC and all that game film and planing becomes worthless. But as long as that team keeps doing "what worked last year" it will start to fizzle against coaches that know what they are doing.

PS, I'm going through the same thing with the Bears O. Nagy ran the same style in KC. It sort of kinda worked in the NFC last year. Now, its garbage, and he needs to blow it up and evolve. Its been figured out. That well has run dry.

I watched a reporter ask Belichick last season, before the Pats played the Bears, if he was worried about played Nagy, and that KC offense now in Chicago. Since the Pats struggled against it with the actual Chiefs. Billy boy said "No, this isn't the Chiefs offense. Its last years Chiefs offense" And he then beat the Bears!

I just like playing devil's advocate. Something I've always heard from people is the "look at Peyton Manning's rookie year" when they refer to a rookie QB they like. He threw 28 INTs his rookie year! Seems like a lot, but if you look at stats, some really good QBs have thrown around the same or more in their career. A bad year doesn't predict the future...same as a good year.

Again, I'm just laughing because people here are so quick to jump on and off some players. There's always some stats or comparison to throw out there for your players-good or bad.

[kyle1707]

That giants offense Thursday is as bad as jets dolphins cardinals

Can’t get on kyler Jones darnold Rosen etc.

I’m optimistic

I think they all are going to be decent wants teams get better

[hxcmilkshake]

Maybe Zack Britton

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[majestik101]

Time for concern?

He has 12 turnovers this season and 11 in his five starts. Jones has thrown at least one interception in four straight games and has six touchdown passes and seven interceptions this season.

[asujbl]

Jones sucks

Baker might also suck... for that debate above

Jones definitely does

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by armoursave

I’d say he has the most upside. Considering the circumstances surrounding his draft and all the negativity it created, the expectations were/are quite low. If the G-men are 0.500 at the end of the season it’s a monumental success. If they can somehow make the playoffs (playoffs?!?) it will be the second coming. Eli got benched way before anybody thought he would (should is a different issue) and now this guy wins 2 games and actually looks pretty good doing it. He has things the Giants haven’t had at QB in a long time: mobility, arm strength, some pocket presence, size, etc.

Also, the Giants have shown their willingness to stick with a QB forever so this guy barring injury may well be the face of that franchise for a very long time

But hey, one guy’s opinions.

Still buying?

[jasonm2121]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Jones sucks

Baker might also suck... for that debate above

Jones definitely does

Hahahaha, think he’s basically Mitchy with less random scrambles?

[armoursave]

0.500 seems like a stretch, but he’s got the potential to be an average NFL QB.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by jasonm2121

Hahahaha, think he’s basically Mitchy with less random scrambles?

Which guy? Haha

Baker? My heart says might be worth investing at an all time low

Jones sucks and will always suck

We all knew this.

People tried to convince themselves after a pitchers goes against a team

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Seeing as it says you're in the USA, you're supposed to think the way that you are currently.

The rest of the world isn't making Reggie Bush to Zion comparisons.

once... he’s figured out

I did a super weird quote from my phone. Sorry

[jasonm2121]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Which guy? Haha

Baker? My heart says might be worth investing at an all time low

Jones sucks and will always suck

We all knew this.

People tried to convince themselves after a pitchers goes against a team

once... he’s figured out

I did a super weird quote from my phone. Sorry

Meant Jones ha

[yankees18]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Jones sucks and will always suck

We all knew this.

5 starts into his career with a bad o-line and receivers dropping balls like nothing I’ve ever seen, but yeah he’ll always be terrible, no chance he ever gets good. For sure.

Lol. Yikes.

I mean, the fumbling issues have been terrible, don’t get me wrong, but that is something that is extremely fixable. Other than that, he’s actually been pretty good. Especially considering the obstacles I’ve listed above.

[yankees18]

Originally Posted by yankees18

5 starts into his career with a bad o-line and receivers dropping balls like nothing I’ve ever seen, but yeah he’ll always be terrible, no chance he ever gets good. For sure.

Lol. Yikes.

I mean, the fumbling issues have been terrible, don’t get me wrong, but that is something that is extremely fixable. Other than that, he’s actually been pretty good. Especially considering the obstacles I’ve listed above.

Plus, this was his first full game with an actual running back today.