Daniel Jones named the starter - Page 4

armoursave · 10-03-2019, 05:47 PM

Other than Mahomes this is the guy to own.

asujbl · 10-03-2019, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by armoursave

Other than Mahomes this is the guy to own.

Explain...

armoursave · 10-03-2019, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Explain...

I’d say he has the most upside. Considering the circumstances surrounding his draft and all the negativity it created, the expectations were/are quite low. If the G-men are 0.500 at the end of the season it’s a monumental success. If they can somehow make the playoffs (playoffs?!?) it will be the second coming. Eli got benched way before anybody thought he would (should is a different issue) and now this guy wins 2 games and actually looks pretty good doing it. He has things the Giants haven’t had at QB in a long time: mobility, arm strength, some pocket presence, size, etc.

Also, the Giants have shown their willingness to stick with a QB forever so this guy barring injury may well be the face of that franchise for a very long time

But hey, one guy’s opinions.

asujbl · 10-03-2019, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by armoursave

I’d say he has the most upside. Considering the circumstances surrounding his draft and all the negativity it created, the expectations were/are quite low. If the G-men are 0.500 at the end of the season it’s a monumental success. If they can somehow make the playoffs (playoffs?!?) it will be the second coming. Eli got benched way before anybody thought he would (should is a different issue) and now this guy wins 2 games and actually looks pretty good doing it. He has things the Giants haven’t had at QB in a long time: mobility, arm strength, some pocket presence, size, etc.

Also, the Giants have shown their willingness to stick with a QB forever so this guy barring injury may well be the face of that franchise for a very long time

But hey, one guy’s opinions.

All that can be true

Doesn’t make him the hobby second coming

armoursave · 10-03-2019, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

All that can be true

Doesn’t make him the hobby second coming

No he’s no Mahomes for sure. He’s an average NFL QB prospect....and that is such a cosmic upgrade for the Giants it cannot be overstated.

I’d much rather own Jones than say Murray. And the Giants kind of have the last laugh don’t they? I mean they could have taken Haskins.

asujbl · 10-03-2019, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by armoursave

No he’s no Mahomes for sure. He’s an average NFL QB prospect....and that is such a cosmic upgrade for the Giants it cannot be overstated.

I’d much rather own Jones than say Murray. And the Giants kind of have the last laugh don’t they? I mean they could have taken Haskins.

So your original post was nonsensical and insane

Got it... which was my point

armoursave · 10-03-2019, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

So your original post was nonsensical and insane

Got it... which was my point

asujbl · 10-03-2019, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by armoursave

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rman112 · 10-04-2019, 12:54 AM

He should be getting some help. Tate will be back, and Barkley coming back next week is looking realistic. Giants have a chance to sneak in the playoffs.

SethMurphy · 10-04-2019, 07:45 AM

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He should be getting some help. Tate will be back, and Barkley coming back next week is looking realistic. Giants have a chance to sneak in the playoffs.

I'm an optimistic Giants fan, but our defense can't hold up when the schedule gets tougher.

vs Vikings
@ Patriots
vs Cardinals
@ Lions
vs Cowboys
@ Jets
@ Bears
vs Packers
@ Eagles
vs Dolphins
@ Redskins
vs Eagles

I'd say we have 4 games we should win (AZ, NYJ, MIA, WAS) but outside of that those Vikings/Patriots/Bears defenses are legit, Eagles/Cowboys are tough all around. Lions are a crapshoot but that defense is stout too.

I guess we finish 7-9

rman112 · 10-04-2019, 07:49 AM

Yeah, their defense will be a weak link.

I'm curious to see how Jones looks against Minnesota. They obviously have talent on defense, but that is a team that could be hitting a tailspin really fast.

HeadstrongRSS · 10-04-2019, 10:03 AM

Why does Jones get a complete pass for what should have been a 3-INT game?

rman112 · 10-04-2019, 10:14 AM

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Why does Jones get a complete pass for what should have been a 3-INT game?

Probably because it was his second game, and their wasn't a Daniel Jones hype train. And they won.

HeadstrongRSS · 10-06-2019, 05:02 PM

#DannyNickels

Looking avg as eff.

NYGiants72 · 10-06-2019, 11:53 PM

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#DannyNickels

Looking avg as eff.

Not at all. Obviously I am a Giants fan, but no bias here. I thought Jones was a horrible pick when it happened and I am eating crow.

As for the bad. Jones is a rookie who is making rookie mistakes - so the INTs and fumbles (which he seems prone to especially given the preseason) are there.

But the good - some things to consider.
-If you watch the games, his accuracy and arm are pretty solid. He has great ball placement, especially when he isn't under duress. His receivers don't get the separation they need for the throws to connect - but he seemingly has all the tools except for the bad decisions common with almost all rookies.
-He doesn't have a ton to work with. Receivers are well below average sans Engram. The offensive line has been improved, but was very exposed against the Vikings
-Jones has a good sense of when and how to use his mobility. He isn't reckless, but is a constant threat with his legs, with very good pocket presence to sense when he should run and where to go with it. Also, has the frame to absorb some hits without shattering.

I am not saying he is Mahomes. He isn't. But also its not a completely fair comparison. Mahomes had an absolute burner in Hill last year and got a year of experience under his belt before he started and lit the league on fire. It's not inconceivable from what I have seen that he could be a top 5 QB with more talent and experience.

In terms of hobby, he doesn't need to be Mahomes. He is one of the better looking rookie QBs in a few years, and is in one of the hottest markets. Especially paired with a healthy Saquon, he could do some great things in the next few years, especially if he gets a legit #1 receiver at some point while keeping Engram.

kyle1707 · 10-07-2019, 11:08 AM

QB's like Jones Kyler Darnold and Rosen should just be praised for being able to survive

ucLAkers · 10-07-2019, 11:13 AM

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QB's like Jones Kyler Darnold and Rosen should just be praised for being able to survive

Bad OL are early career enders for some QBs....Rosen has had 2 of the absolute worst. He survived twice

armoursave · 10-10-2019, 09:15 PM

These picks are killing me. C’mon man!

hxcmilkshake · 10-10-2019, 09:25 PM

He reminds me of Davey

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ILOVEBEER · 10-10-2019, 10:00 PM

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These picks are killing me. C’mon man!

He's playing like Baker.....

bigp621 · 10-10-2019, 10:06 PM

I’ll go back to when I said once he plays a good defense we will see. 2 good defenses in a row . 2 td and 5 ints.

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blevins26 · 10-11-2019, 09:41 AM

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I’ll go back to when I said once he plays a good defense we will see. 2 good defenses in a row . 2 td and 5 ints.

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I think he's shown some bright spots beyond just those TD/INT numbers. He fit it into some tight windows last night.

Playing without his top 2 RB's the past 2 weeks has been a killer. This is a team that's built around Saquon. Then, on a short week this week, he's missing top 2 RB's, Top WR, Top TE.

Moving on from MIN & NE, it will be interesting to see the showdown between the top 2 QB's from the draft next week when they play the Cards. Giants should have all their guys back (maybe with the exception of Shepard) and I would expect a better statistical performance from Jones. Hopefully he delivers.

kyle1707 · 10-11-2019, 10:05 AM

This giants offense is like the jets Dolphins etc...

What do you want him to do?

Its brutal...

7hTarget · 10-11-2019, 10:07 AM

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He reminds me of Davey

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Idk how this beauty was just glossed over. Perfect.

ILOVEBEER · 10-11-2019, 10:12 AM

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Why does Jones get a complete pass for what should have been a 3-INT game?

Seems like he's getting another "pass". The hypocrisy in this hobby is amazing.

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armoursave Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 709	Other than Mahomes this is the guy to own.

10-04-2019, 12:54 AM	#84
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	He should be getting some help. Tate will be back, and Barkley coming back next week is looking realistic. Giants have a chance to sneak in the playoffs.

10-04-2019, 07:49 AM	#86
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Yeah, their defense will be a weak link. I'm curious to see how Jones looks against Minnesota. They obviously have talent on defense, but that is a team that could be hitting a tailspin really fast.

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HeadstrongRSS Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: WI Posts: 1,390 HeadstrongRSS HeadstrongRSS	Why does Jones get a complete pass for what should have been a 3-INT game?

10-06-2019, 05:02 PM	#89
HeadstrongRSS Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: WI Posts: 1,390 HeadstrongRSS HeadstrongRSS	#DannyNickels Looking avg as eff.

10-07-2019, 11:08 AM	#91
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,416	QB's like Jones Kyler Darnold and Rosen should just be praised for being able to survive

10-10-2019, 09:15 PM	#93
armoursave Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 709	These picks are killing me. C’mon man!

10-10-2019, 09:25 PM	#94
hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,408 hxcmilkshake	He reminds me of Davey Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

10-11-2019, 10:05 AM	#98
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,416	This giants offense is like the jets Dolphins etc... What do you want him to do? Its brutal...