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BoxBreaker72 · 11-07-2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

I do want both of those things. Which candidate should I vote for, and why? Please explain without sending me to some random website and without using the words 'e-mail' or 'p***y'.

Ill try my best..lol

At best, Hillary Clinton says she won't raise taxes on anyone under 250K. So you definitely aren't getting a tax cut with her and even left leaning sites are saying there may be a "small increase" in taxes.

Trump has stated time and time again that the middle class is getting the biggest tax break since Reagan.

Trump is building a wall (Yes, he really is). That keeps drugs, illegals and criminals out. He is also not taking in the thousands of refuges that we can not vet. I want people to come in to America, but they need to be vetted and come in fair and square like everyone else.

Hillary want's something like a 500%+ increase on the refuges that we can not vet properly. That is asking for a terror attack. She has also stated that her dream includes wide open borders...

I think the difference is clear and simple. It just depends on what you value most.

no10pin · 11-07-2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

Well, Hillary will take more money out of your pockets and make the country less safe and considerably more corrupt.

Based on what? Seriously, I don't want to vote for either of these candidates, but people on both side make these absolute statements as if they are fact. What has Trump proposed that will make me more money and make the country safer as stated above?

Umpy9 · 11-07-2016, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Sorry that isn't right leaning enough for 70% of these boards. Only conservative links welcome.

I think parties are outdated now, it makes people lazier with their votes. A lot of people are just rooting for their "team". I know plenty of people that vote against what they believe in and they don't even know why. I'm not a party voter, I do tend to sway to the left typically, but I'm embarrassed for the right this election. The only ones I can see their point are the extremely wealthy, but I only feel sorry for them because it's such a selfish stance given the campaign Trump has run.

mnvikingstwins · 11-07-2016, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

Based on what? Seriously, I don't want to vote for either of these candidates, but people on both side make these absolute statements as if they are fact. What has Trump proposed that will make me more money and make the country safer as stated above?

That's basically the tldr version of 72's post

Umpy9 · 11-07-2016, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

This is not true and you should feel bad for typing this.

What a great rebuttal

no10pin · 11-07-2016, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Ill try my best..lol

At best, Hillary Clinton says she won't raise taxes on anyone under 250K. So you definitely aren't getting a tax cut with her and even left leaning sites are saying there may be a "small increase" in taxes.

Trump has stated time and time again that the middle class is getting the biggest tax break since Reagan.

Trump is building a wall (Yes, he really is). That keeps drugs, illegals and criminals out. He is also not taking in the thousands of refuges that we can not vet. I want people to come in to America, but they need to be vetting and come in fair and square like everyone else.

Hillary want's something like a 500%+ increase on the refuges that we can not vet properly. That is asking for a terror attack. She has also stated that her dream includes wide open borders...

I think the difference is clear and simple. It just depends on what you value most.

I can certainly see the country being safer as far as people coming in that way, if it were true. I'm curious how the rest of the world would perceive us under President Trump, and if we would be safer in that regard.

I struggle with the whole financial part, because while it would appear that Hillary's plan will raise taxes for some, Trump hasn't shared his. The middle class will get the 'biggest tax break', but how? That's where it just sounds like campaign promises. There is NO path for everyone to pay less taxes and work on eliminating the debt.

Clarka3 · 11-07-2016, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tke1600

Dots are being connected. 5 FBI agents reportedly fired today ("forced retirement") who were trying to break the story from what they found out of the 650K emails last week. Some of the fbi leaks said that emails related to this kind of stuff. Very evil if true.

maybe the firings are in relation to the supposed leaks sent out to the Trump campaign? or just the leaks in general that were fueling incorrect speculation.

TheHeel · 11-07-2016, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

I do want both of those things. Which candidate should I vote for, and why? Please explain without sending me to some random website and without using the words 'e-mail' or 'p***y'.

Hillary will continue President Obama's legacy. A legacy in which more people than ever have affordable healthcare.

She is a proponent of rights for all, not just a select population.

The environment is also a huge selling point for me. Obama was one of the biggest advocates for the environment. Hillary will continue to do damage control that has been done to our world.

Tax reform. Unlike many of my peers on this forum, I am not a rich man. I am the epitome of middle class. She has proposed a tax plan in which it benefits the middle class.

Last but not least, Hillary will allow refugees into our country. Now, it may not be the perfect scenario BUT we are a country founded on liberty and freedom. A stronger vetting process needs to be put into place though. I look at this way....we are hypocrites if we do not allow people in. In 1492, Native Americans were slaughtered and raped by the European terrorists. The argument that terrorists will come in is null and void in my opinion. I believe all terrorist attacks in the last few years were from homegrown or citizens who came to USA when they were children. Someone fact check that, please.

Hillary 2016

Devi8or · 11-07-2016, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

I can certainly see the country being safer as far as people coming in that way, if it were true. I'm curious how the rest of the world would perceive us under President Trump, and if we would be safer in that regard.

I struggle with the whole financial part, because while it would appear that Hillary's plan will raise taxes for some, Trump hasn't shared his. The middle class will get the 'biggest tax break', but how? That's where it just sounds like campaign promises. There is NO path for everyone to pay less taxes and work on eliminating the debt.

just vote for whoever makes the best hollow promises, that's basically what it comes down to cause most of the crap they spew is not gonna happen

BoxBreaker72 · 11-07-2016, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

I can certainly see the country being safer as far as people coming in that way, if it were true. I'm curious how the rest of the world would perceive us under President Trump, and if we would be safer in that regard.

I struggle with the whole financial part, because while it would appear that Hillary's plan will raise taxes for some, Trump hasn't shared his. The middle class will get the 'biggest tax break', but how? That's where it just sounds like campaign promises. There is NO path for everyone to pay less taxes and work on eliminating the debt.

I agree that you can't believe everything a candidate says. That's all we got right now though.

National security alone is the #1 reason Trump is the right one for me. She is dangerous and I don't use that word lightly.

Umpy9 · 11-07-2016, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

Director for that website works/ed for CNN, how convenient...

The same news source jumped the gun calling her out, as almost all did. You didn't even read the article did you?

37Jetson · 11-07-2016, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Umpy9

She didn't delete them, someone from Platte River Networks did. It's a pretty convoluted yet exaggerated scandal if you check facts. She's the most investigated person in the world right now and they still can't convict her of anything despite multiple attempts. It's gotten to a point that skeptics have entered a complete state of soldier mindset. She definitely didn't handle it the best, but it's hardly a reason to choose a person with no experience over someone qualified. If you don't want to vote for Hillary at least do some research and come up with a better reason why.

Here's everything you need to know The FBI Files on Clinton’s Emails

Where you wearing your Sheep Costume when you typed this? People of both sides need to learn to decifer flat out BS before they post it.

Devi8or · 11-07-2016, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

I agree that you can't believe everything a candidate says. That's all we got right now though.

National security alone is the #1 reason Trump is the right one for me. She is dangerous and I don't use that word lightly.

where does he fund his wall? Mexico isn't paying for it

JosieD · 11-07-2016, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Ill try my best..lol

At best, Hillary Clinton says she won't raise taxes on anyone under 250K. So you definitely aren't getting a tax cut with her and even left leaning sites are saying there may be a "small increase" in taxes.

Trump has stated time and time again that the middle class is getting the biggest tax break since Reagan.

Trump is building a wall (Yes, he really is). That keeps drugs, illegals and criminals out. He is also not taking in the thousands of refuges that we can not vet. I want people to come in to America, but they need to be vetted and come in fair and square like everyone else.

Hillary want's something like a 500%+ increase on the refuges that we can not vet properly. That is asking for a terror attack. She has also stated that her dream includes wide open borders...

I think the difference is clear and simple. It just depends on what you value most.

I hope he is a good brick layer. A wall will not keep out drugs or illegals. Both are sought after too much in this country. Drugs keep us numb to the stupidity going on around us and illegal immigrants do all the jobs Americans deem below them. Maybe if people would be willing to take jobs that are back breaking then we wouldn't have such a high unemployment rate. I have heard time and time again "I won't work there, its is below me." A job is a job. If it pays enough to put food on the table, work it and be thankful. Continue to improve yourself so you can get the job you really want. We have a country of people who make excuse after excuse than get mad when someone fills the role they rejected time and time again.

ILOVEBEER · 11-07-2016, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Hillary will continue President Obama's legacy. A legacy in which more people than ever have affordable healthcare.

She is a proponent of rights for all, not just a select population.

The environment is also a huge selling point for me. Obama was one of the biggest advocates for the environment. Hillary will continue to do damage control that has been done to our world.

Tax reform. Unlike many of my peers on this forum, I am not a rich man. I am the epitome of middle class. She has proposed a tax plan in which it benefits the middle class.

Last but not least, Hillary will allow refugees into our country. Now, it may not be the perfect scenario BUT we are a country founded on liberty and freedom. A stronger vetting process needs to be put into place though. I look at this way....we are hypocrites if we do not allow people in. In 1492, Native Americans were slaughtered and raped by the European terrorists. The argument that terrorists will come in is null and void in my opinion. I believe all terrorist attacks in the last few years were from homegrown or citizens who came to USA when they were children. Someone fact check that, please.

Hillary 2016

I just puked.

BoxBreaker72 · 11-07-2016, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Hillary will continue President Obama's legacy. A legacy in which more people than ever have affordable healthcare.

She is a proponent of rights for all, not just a select population.

The environment is also a huge selling point for me. Obama was one of the biggest advocates for the environment. Hillary will continue to do damage control that has been done to our world.

Tax reform on the wealthy. Unlike many of my peers on this forum, I am not a rich man. I am the epitome of middle class. She has proposed a tax plan in which it benefits the middle class.

Last but not least, Hillary will allow refugees into our country. Now, it may not be the perfect scenario BUT we are a country founded on liberty and freedom. A stronger vetting process needs to be put into place though. I look at this way....we are hypocrites if we do not allow people in. In 1492, Native Americans were slaughtered and raped by the European terrorists. The argument that terrorists will come in is null and void in my opinion. I believe all terrorist attacks in the last few years were from homegrown or citizens who came to USA when they were children. Someone fact check that, please.

Hillary 2016

Affordable health care? Please LMK how that is when it is skyrocketing in cost. Honestly, please explain that.

How does her tax plan help the middle class? Taxes are staying the same or even rising according to everything I read. If you know something I don't please tell me. I would love to know.

You WANT the refuges here? You totally lost me. That's pure insanity.

Umpy9 · 11-07-2016, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 37Jetson

Where you wearing your Sheep Costume when you typed this? People of both sides need to learn to decifer flat out BS before they post it.

Wow this website is toxic isn't it? Just like I said, soldier mentality. you guys just say things. Prove me wrong.

BoxBreaker72 · 11-07-2016, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JosieD

I hope he is a good brick layer. A wall will not keep out drugs or illegals. Both are sought after too much in this country. Drugs keep us numb to the stupidity going on around us and illegal immigrants do all the jobs Americans deem below them. Maybe if people would be willing to take jobs that are back breaking then we wouldn't have such a high unemployment rate. I have heard time and time again "I won't work there, its is below me." A job is a job. If it pays enough to put food on the table, work it and be thankful. Continue to improve yourself so you can get the job you really want. We have a country of people who make excuse after excuse than get mad when someone fills the role they rejected time and time again.

Walls work. There is evidence of this all around the world.

Nothing is perfect and attacks will still happen, but they will be reduced eventually.

We can try to make it safer here or we can continue to be a wide open target and play Russian roulette with American lives.

I am not willing to play anymore.

IndySportsCards · 11-07-2016, 01:15 PM

After everything that's came out, I don't see how any person (even if they hate Trump) could vote Hillary.

JosieD · 11-07-2016, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Affordable health care? Please LMK how that is when it is skyrocketing in cost. Honestly, please explain that.

How does her tax plan help the middle class? Taxes are staying the same or even rising according to everything I read. If you know something I don't please tell me. I would love to know.

You WANT the refuges here? You totally lost me. That's pure insanity.

The costs are skyrocketing because portions of the ACA are expiring. For example, the portion of the ACA that controlled how much per year insurance companies could raise premiums just expired hence why costs are skyrocketing in 2017. The insurance companies are greedy jerks who will profit anyway they can.

They also has a lot more sick older people utilize the market place than healthy young people. They needed the two to offest each other. So, companies didn't make any money and paid out more than anticipated.

Firerunner4 · 11-07-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Hillary will continue President Obama's legacy. A legacy in which more people than ever have affordable healthcare.

I guess that's why my mothers health insurance skyrocketed to the point to where she can no longer afford it and not only that, her medication that she has taken for 15 years for Multiple Sclerosis that had been covered 100% has been dropped totally and she can't afford that either because it's tens of thousands a year out of pocket

Really great healthcare

Umpy9 · 11-07-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Walls work. There is evidence of this all around the world.

Nothing is perfect and attacks will still happen, but they will be reduced eventually.

We can try to make it safer here or we can continue to be a wide open target and play Russian roulette with American lives.

I am not willing to play anymore.

Walls may have worked for the Mongolians, there's airplanes now.

pac213up · 11-07-2016, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

After everything that's came out, I don't see how any person (even if they hate Trump) could vote Hillary.

I cannot see how anyone can vote Dem or Repub at this point. How many times do you have to be punched in the face before you duck?

JosieD · 11-07-2016, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Walls work. There is evidence of this all around the world.

Nothing is perfect and attacks will still happen, but they will be reduced eventually.

We can try to make it safer here or we can continue to be a wide open target and play Russian roulette with American lives.

I am not willing to play anymore.

Are there a large number attacks from Mexico that just aren't reported because I live on the East Coast? This is a serious question. When I visited family I noticed all their news was funneled in from a conservative stand point. They seriously had no clue about Mr. Trump's infamous grab the by the p comments. It wasn't even talked about in their area or shown on tv. Their cable package also didn't offer CNN. Just fox news.

TheHeel · 11-07-2016, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ILOVEBEER

I just puked.

Wipe the puke off the side of your mouth.

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Affordable health care? Please LMK how that is when it is skyrocketing in cost. Honestly, please explain that.

How does her tax plan help the middle class? Taxes are staying the same or even rising according to everything I read. If you know something I don't please tell me. I would love to know.

You WANT the refuges here? You totally lost me. That's pure insanity.

If greedy insurance companies wouldn't give out millions in bonuses to their CEOs and take a little less profit, the system would work.

From what Hillary has stated, she wants to end all the loopholes on corporations and the ultra rich. She also wants to cut small business taxes.

Our country was founded on immigration. I do want a stronger vetting process and they need to work.

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IndySportsCards Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: EO 13848 Posts: 42,009 braco0 IndySportsCards	After everything that's came out, I don't see how any person (even if they hate Trump) could vote Hillary. __________________ Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right.