Running CGC (old CSG) Order Tracker - Page 40

The_Reverend · 06-09-2021, 10:57 AM

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My first order shipped back on 6/1. But now it is in limbo because apparently either I or CSG entered my return address incorrectly. When I use tracking on USPS.com it says "Alert - Forwarded" to a town I do not live in. Anyone have experience with Registered Mail and this happening to them? Thanks

My first order was FedEx. This order also is shipping FedEx

TSonn · 06-09-2021, 12:21 PM

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My first order was FedEx. This order also is shipping FedEx

Beauty! What do you think about the slabs and labels now that you've got some in hand?

The_Reverend · 06-09-2021, 12:26 PM

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Beauty! What do you think about the slabs and labels now that you've got some in hand?

They are much better then PSA and if CSG gains traction with collector/investor types, #2 is very possible. My 5 card sub was 1 9....LBJ Triple Dimensions RC (likely same with PSA. 3 9.5...Zion and Ja Essentials and Zion Hoops. I was shocked by the Tiger. Those are very thought to grade because of the paper stock.

KeltonB · 06-09-2021, 12:40 PM

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TIGER WOODS UPPER DECK RC CSG 10.

Wow, that's an awesome card! Congrats!

TSonn · 06-09-2021, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Reverend

They are much better then PSA and if CSG gains traction with collector/investor types, #2 is very possible. My 5 card sub was 1 9....LBJ Triple Dimensions RC (likely same with PSA. 3 9.5...Zion and Ja Essentials and Zion Hoops. I was shocked by the Tiger. Those are very thought to grade because of the paper stock.

Glad to hear! Yeah, the ROI isn't there yet but they have everything going for them right now to take over #2. Except for the green flip which looks better in hand and is also not a distraction once you own a couple.

The_Reverend · 06-09-2021, 12:51 PM

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Glad to hear! Yeah, the ROI isn't there yet but they have everything going for them right now to take over #2. Except for the green flip which looks better in hand and is also not a distraction once you own a couple.

The flip does not bother me, especially on cards with green like the Tiger!

discodanman45 · 06-09-2021, 01:16 PM

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The flip does not bother me, especially on cards with green like the Tiger!

The flip doesn't bother me at all if it has subgrades. That same flip with no subgrades would look horrific. How quickly CSG checks in submissions from the week of April 5th to April 11th will be very telling. If it takes them two months to check in orders from that one week, things will get very bad for them.

I still think a smaller label with subgrades on the back would have been the way to go. I don't care that they use green, it is their identifying color. PSA uses red. I haven't bought a CSG slab yet, but I have been looking on eBay for a decent price on a vintage card to see how it looks. I have to spend $150 in grading since I bought that membership and I am not messing around with the bulk order I could have sent in.

interestingcool · 06-09-2021, 01:26 PM

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The flip doesn't bother me at all if it has subgrades. That same flip with no subgrades would look horrific. How quickly CSG checks in submissions from the week of April 5th to April 11th will be very telling. If it takes them two months to check in orders from that one week, things will get very bad for them.

I still think a smaller label with subgrades on the back would have been the way to go. I don't care that they use green, it is their identifying color. PSA uses red. I haven't bought a CSG slab yet, but I have been looking on eBay for a decent price on a vintage card to see how it looks. I have to spend $150 in grading since I bought that membership and I am not messing around with the bulk order I could have sent in.

Horrific huh? It's not a great design, but are we here to look at cards or labels?

TSonn · 06-09-2021, 01:33 PM

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The flip doesn't bother me at all if it has subgrades. That same flip with no subgrades would look horrific. How quickly CSG checks in submissions from the week of April 5th to April 11th will be very telling. If it takes them two months to check in orders from that one week, things will get very bad for them.

I still think a smaller label with subgrades on the back would have been the way to go. I don't care that they use green, it is their identifying color. PSA uses red. I haven't bought a CSG slab yet, but I have been looking on eBay for a decent price on a vintage card to see how it looks. I have to spend $150 in grading since I bought that membership and I am not messing around with the bulk order I could have sent in.

The label "issue" is really blown out of proportion. Do you own any CSG slabs? CSG uses way more of the case (which is smaller than PSA) for the flip than PSA does. PSA flips go wider than the card, CSG does not. When you look at them next to one another the PSA slab looks poorly designed because of all of the plastic areas while CSG was thoughtful in designing a label that will fit all the 107 parallels of Panini products while still keeping the entire slab smaller than the PSA slab. If you line up the card in a PSA slab with a card in a CSG slab, there's almost identical space above it to the top of the slab - CSG just uses that space better.

TSonn · 06-09-2021, 01:40 PM

Give me more label space over frosted plastic please.

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discodanman45 · 06-09-2021, 02:11 PM

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The label "issue" is really blown out of proportion. Do you own any CSG slabs? CSG uses way more of the case (which is smaller than PSA) for the flip than PSA does. PSA flips go wider than the card, CSG does not. When you look at them next to one another the PSA slab looks poorly designed because of all of the plastic areas while CSG was thoughtful in designing a label that will fit all the 107 parallels of Panini products while still keeping the entire slab smaller than the PSA slab. If you line up the card in a PSA slab with a card in a CSG slab, there's almost identical space above it to the top of the slab - CSG just uses that space better.

I have seen a few on modern cards and the labels with subgrades look great. That is not my issue. It is the cards without subgrades, especially if they only have two lines of text, which is common in older cards. The empty space is distracting and it looked horrific to me in person. That was a slab with three lines of text by the way. I could just imagine what the Woods card would look like without subgrades. 50% white blank space.

The_Reverend · 06-09-2021, 02:46 PM

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I have seen a few on modern cards and the labels with subgrades look great. That is not my issue. It is the cards without subgrades, especially if they only have two lines of text, which is common in older cards. The empty space is distracting and it looked horrific to me in person. That was a slab with three lines of text by the way. I could just imagine what the Woods card would look like without subgrades. 50% white blank space.

The Tiger without subs would look terrible. I went with the subs after looking at both the appearance and the ROI of CSG slabs with and without. I will never own a non-sub CSG. Even with the added cost for subs they are less expensive.

discodanman45 · 06-09-2021, 02:53 PM

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The Tiger without subs would look terrible. I went with the subs after looking at both the appearance and the ROI of CSG slabs with and without. I will never own a non-sub CSG. Even with the added cost for subs they are less expensive.

A smaller label without subgrades would look sharp IMO. I know the logistics of having multiple cases isn't financial prudent. However, I think CSG should definitely have two flips.

The_Reverend · 06-09-2021, 03:06 PM

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A smaller label without subgrades would look sharp IMO. I know the logistics of having multiple cases isn't financial prudent. However, I think CSG should definitely have two flips.

I do not disagree with this. No subs could work, but not with this flip. The economy from arrival 03/23 to shipped 06/09 is fair in my opinion. The cards was logged on 04/30. Their turnaround times are getting longer, but if using express the turnaround is still great. Currently CSG would be my number 2, but down the line I probably will try SGC again.

TSonn · 06-09-2021, 03:18 PM

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A smaller label without subgrades would look sharp IMO. I know the logistics of having multiple cases isn't financial prudent. However, I think CSG should definitely have two flips.

Someone did a mock-up of the CSG label with the barcode and cert number on the front of a no-sub flip and it looked great. I don't mind the current no-sub flips but seems like moving the barcode and cert number to the front would be a much easier "fix" than creating a new slab for a smaller label.

Keep the holo sticker and auto grade on the back of the no-sub flips.

TSonn · 06-09-2021, 03:25 PM

Here's a quick mock:
(I removed the third line of details here just to show what it would look like with the least amount of text)

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interestingcool · 06-09-2021, 05:33 PM

Here's my personal take. Could the label look better? Definitely. Do I really care that much? No.

Saraste · 06-09-2021, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TSonn

Here's a quick mock:
(I removed the third line of details here just to show what it would look like with the least amount of text)

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The problem I see with this mockup is that you could not do it with the Optic Trae above, or any card needing more than 3 lines of text for the description. The mockup would require a whole other template for them and once again cost could come into it.

Personally I do not see a "solution" to this. This was going to be an issue the moment they decided to offer grading with and without subgrades. I'm hoping that eventually we will all get used to both versions.

KeltonB · 06-09-2021, 07:15 PM

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Here's my personal take. Could the label look better? Definitely. Do I really care that much? No.

Bingo. And seeing the label in person, it looks so much better than in pictures.

The_Reverend · 06-09-2021, 07:33 PM

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Bingo. And seeing the label in person, it looks so much better than in pictures.

He only thing on any of the flips I look at are the grades. I like the CSG SLABS better then the SGC slabs when both are in hand. My #2 has just become CSG. For now PSA continues to be my go to,but that is a ROI thing only.

TSonn · 06-09-2021, 07:51 PM

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The problem I see with this mockup is that you could not do it with the Optic Trae above, or any card needing more than 3 lines of text for the description. The mockup would require a whole other template for them and once again cost could come into it.

Personally I do not see a "solution" to this. This was going to be an issue the moment they decided to offer grading with and without subgrades. I'm hoping that eventually we will all get used to both versions.

The barcode/cert number would take up the exact same amount of space as they use currently for the subgrades. So assuming they have enough space on the labels with the sub-grades, they'd have enough space with the barcode too.

But I'm not too terribly concerned with the no sub flips. The no sub BGS flips look similar and don't look bad to me. In general, I prefer no subgrades (see: PSA) so it's all good to me - the barcode/cert moving to the front could potentially help with some people who are put off by the no sub slabs.

Splish · 06-09-2021, 11:44 PM

I definitely like the more label space on the CSG slabs. But both the red and the green text from PSA/CSG just dont look very good. Why dont these grading companies use more neutral colors? It's too distracting from the card itself.

forjlf · 06-10-2021, 09:36 AM

I've been searching myself but if any of you find a video of how to crack open a CSG case safely please post it here. CSG made label errors on two cards so I sent them back in for correction and reholdering - just got them back and they are exactly the same, just with a ton of dust all over them. I don't want to mess around with trying this again so just want to break the cards out. Thanks in advance.

interestingcool · 06-10-2021, 09:40 AM

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I've been searching myself but if any of you find a video of how to crack open a CSG case safely please post it here. CSG made label errors on two cards so I sent them back in for correction and reholdering - just got them back and they are exactly the same, just with a ton of dust all over them. I don't want to mess around with trying this again so just want to break the cards out. Thanks in advance.

Gosh, well that's annoying.

tyrith · 06-10-2021, 10:14 AM

Just look up how to crack a CGC slab, they're the same slabs.

06-09-2021, 01:40 PM	#985
TSonn Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,989 TSonnMI	Give me more label space over frosted plastic please. Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk

06-09-2021, 03:25 PM	#991
TSonn Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,989 TSonnMI	Here's a quick mock: (I removed the third line of details here just to show what it would look like with the least amount of text) Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk

06-09-2021, 05:33 PM	#992
interestingcool Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 333	Here's my personal take. Could the label look better? Definitely. Do I really care that much? No.

06-09-2021, 11:44 PM	#997
Splish Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 48	I definitely like the more label space on the CSG slabs. But both the red and the green text from PSA/CSG just dont look very good. Why dont these grading companies use more neutral colors? It's too distracting from the card itself.

06-10-2021, 09:36 AM	#998
forjlf Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 311	I've been searching myself but if any of you find a video of how to crack open a CSG case safely please post it here. CSG made label errors on two cards so I sent them back in for correction and reholdering - just got them back and they are exactly the same, just with a ton of dust all over them. I don't want to mess around with trying this again so just want to break the cards out. Thanks in advance.

06-10-2021, 10:14 AM	#1000
tyrith Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 1,892 tyrith	Just look up how to crack a CGC slab, they're the same slabs.