The Unofficial 2023 Summer Transfer Rumors/Done Deals Thread - Page 4

Meets1 · 06-20-2023, 01:03 PM

I blame Oscar

panenkacards · 06-20-2023, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by YayNJ

It's the state of the modern game. He could have joined Barcelona if he so desired - they have been tracking him for a year. I get that he will be made for life after this, but effectively ending your career at 26 while coveted by many competitive teams in Europe is just bonkers.

We will see more of it of course. As I posted in another thread, it's all corrupt - all of these teams are ultimately owned by the same fund, and they have money all over the European game on the sly. Chelsea selling possibly five players this summer to Saudi absolutely stinks.

Axel Witsel managed to come back from China after a year and a half and has played Champions League for Dortmund and Atletico, so there's precedent for coming back from this type of deal at least.

YayNJ · 06-21-2023, 06:25 AM

Kovacic is a great signing for Manchester City. He's criminally underrated. One of the best no-nonsense midfielders in Europe easily.

kellmuff · 06-21-2023, 08:18 AM

Pep's going to turn him into one of the best no doubt. So good at progressing the ball.

YayNJ · 06-21-2023, 07:14 PM

So Saudi have signed Neves for 47m and now they are going to loan him to Newcastle.

It's disgusting. Blatant in your face cheating and manipulation of FFP.

mikee1186 · 06-22-2023, 08:32 AM

Tonali to newcastle looks final as well. They are really gearing up in center mid if they take on Neves as well. Will be a formidable champions league side.

Man city also looking to wreck arsenals plans for Declan rice. Will be interesting to see how that one unfolds. Wonder if they’ll actually put in a bid or are starting rumors to make it more expensive for arsenal.

gomiamigo · 06-22-2023, 01:44 PM

Saudi PIF is less than 5% of Clearlake capital's fund. Clearlake is one of the largest, most successful PE funds out there, they would never disadvantage 95% of their investors [may of whom as big as PIF like Norway and GSIC, Norway's fund is the biggest in the world] and ruin the firm's reputation to earn a couple extra million selling players.

Comments to that effect are totally ignorant of reality. They just raised another $14 Billion fund.

Gin&Juice · 06-22-2023, 02:37 PM

Not sure I follow, you don’t think an asset management firm that has a client who invests billions with it would move some of its other assets to make the major investor happy, especially when doing so also advantages the other fund from which it is moving some of the assets? How does that tarnish its reputation or hurt other investors? The point is that Saudi PIF is investing in ways that enhance its influence over player movement. Seems beyond doubt that Saudi PIFs investment of billions with Clearlake after Clearlake acquired a majority interest in Chelsea was intended to grant priority access to Chelsea and facilitate relationship between the two.

YayNJ · 06-22-2023, 04:42 PM

It's not about making money.

Gin&Juice · 06-22-2023, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by YayNJ

It's not about making money.

Exactly, for Saudi PIF. They want access and they want credibility. And, they will invest billions with Clearlake and overpay for out of favor players to get it.

I do think it is about money for Clearlake. They want the Saudi's billions, and, if they can shave some bad contracts off the Chelsea books in the process, even better.

Tones · 06-26-2023, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Meets1

I blame Oscar

Nooo, remember Oscar said he supported Shanghai SIPG as a kid, watched them on the tele in Brazil, duhhhh

jmcca170 · 06-26-2023, 07:23 PM

I wouldn’t believe it until I saw him on the pitch, but it sounds like Harry Kane is at least open to the idea of playing for Bayern… they’ve been in talks with him and he’s their #1 target

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mfw13 · 06-26-2023, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcca170

I wouldn’t believe it until I saw him on the pitch, but it sounds like Harry Kane is at least open to the idea of playing for Bayern… they’ve been in talks with him and he’s their #1 target

Why wouldn't he be?

They're a top club who can offer him regular appearances in the Champions League as well consistent domestic silverware.

That's a lot more than he'll get staying at Spurs....

mfw13 · 06-26-2023, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

Not sure I follow, you don’t think an asset management firm that has a client who invests billions with it would move some of its other assets to make the major investor happy, especially when doing so also advantages the other fund from which it is moving some of the assets? How does that tarnish its reputation or hurt other investors? The point is that Saudi PIF is investing in ways that enhance its influence over player movement. Seems beyond doubt that Saudi PIFs investment of billions with Clearlake after Clearlake acquired a majority interest in Chelsea was intended to grant priority access to Chelsea and facilitate relationship between the two.

I think the more interesting question is going to be how the relationship between the PIF's four Saudi clubs and it's other interests develops.

By the end of the summer, they're going to have enough good players playing for those four clubs that in theory they'll be able to loan Newcastle (or Chelsea) an all-star team.

jmcca170 · 06-26-2023, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Why wouldn't he be?

They're a top club who can offer him regular appearances in the Champions League as well consistent domestic silverware.

That's a lot more than he'll get staying at Spurs....

Same reason I said it was a waste of time for Bayern to pursue Declan Rice. I realize they’re at different stages, but By and large, I just think top English players would rather stay in England. Especially now with as much money that’s floating around. IMO Kane being open to Bayern has as much to do with whatever options he has in England falling apart. I obviously get Bayern’s appeal, but it would still shock me if that’s the move he made

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YayNJ · 06-27-2023, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Why wouldn't he be?

Premier League goal record is meant to be his entire purpose for living.

kellmuff · 06-27-2023, 10:49 AM

yea be surprised to see him move abroad. Still think he ends up at City or United. The clock is running out for Spurs to make money on him. They're dumb, but not that dumb.

kellmuff · 06-27-2023, 10:51 AM

rumours of West Ham turning down 90M from City for Rice are wild

I'm a big fan and think he's going to be a top top player for years to come, but that's wild money. Are Arsenal really going to spend more than that?

gomiamigo · 06-27-2023, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

Exactly, for Saudi PIF. They want access and they want credibility. And, they will invest billions with Clearlake ...
I do think it is about money for Clearlake.

PIF isn't allowed to be more than 5% of their fund, as per their [Clearlake] bylaws and legal documents.

I don't think you understand how the PE industry really works.

Furthermore, doing any sort of underhanded deals to benefit any investor at the expense of others [PIF, or anyone] would bring them the wrong kind of attention at the SEC and, ultimately, kill their entire business.

The Saudis only have the 5th largest sovereign wealth fund. PIF is a smaller subset of that. Clearlake has bigger investors than them.

Jadaki · 06-27-2023, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kellmuff

rumours of West Ham turning down 90M from City for Rice are wild

I'm a big fan and think he's going to be a top top player for years to come, but that's wild money. Are Arsenal really going to spend more than that?

Arsenal's next bid is going to come in just short of 100 mil, by guess is something like 88+10, but i don't think City or Arsenal will go higher than 100. A lot the discussion I've seen following it comes down to payment terms. West Ham wants more money sooner and add-ons that are likely to hit.

Gin&Juice · 06-27-2023, 02:55 PM

Why is it relevant that Clearlake has bigger investors? Saudi PIF is still investing billions with them.

Are you suggesting that investment managers looking to recruit billion dollar investments don't go to lengths to entice potential investors, including making introductions, facilitating mutually beneficial business deals, and generally trying to make their investors happy? Clearlake isn't disadvantaging its other investors by facilitating a deal b/n Saudi PIF and Chelsea.

The Saudis want to infiltrate the European soccer market as much as possible, and it is not a coincidence that they have invested billions of dollars with a PE firm that recently acquired a majority stake in Chelsea and now has also acquired a stake in Strasbourg.

I don't know how the connection can be more apparent. It is clear as day what is happening.

YayNJ · 06-27-2023, 04:22 PM

I think some people are just happy to put their fingers in their ears.

BonVoyage · 06-28-2023, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jadaki

Arsenal's next bid is going to come in just short of 100 mil, by guess is something like 88+10, but i don't think City or Arsenal will go higher than 100. A lot the discussion I've seen following it comes down to payment terms. West Ham wants more money sooner and add-ons that are likely to hit.

Sounds like Arsenal went to 100 + 5-10 in addons.

kingb22 · 06-28-2023, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BonVoyage

Sounds like Arsenal went to 100 + 5-10 in addons.

Hard to believe it won't get done at that fee. Of course, given Arsenal's historic transfer luck w/ big signings, he'll probably go and fail the physical

kingb22 · 06-28-2023, 03:03 PM

I saw there is now discussions of Szoboslai moving from Leipzig to Liverpool. It's amazing to look at that 20-21 class now that they are all hitting their prime and see the depth of talent in that year. Bellingham, Pedri, Szobo, Florian Wirtz, Osimhen, Gabriel Martinelli, Musiala, Xavi Simons, Wesley Fofana (based on his transfer fee), Camavinga, Darwin Nunez, Luis Diaz, Moukoko, Christopher Nkunku now of Chelski - the high end is pretty crazy.

Even some of the lesser known guys like Goncalo Ramos, Jurien Timber now w/ Arsenal, Anatoliy Trubin (considered one of the top U-21 goalies in the world now), Yunus Musah, Eze and Connor Gallagher, Malik Tillman, Curtis Jones are also pretty solid. (And I'm sure could be argued they could be among the high end or the next group)

You also have some of the guys like Antony, Adeyemi, Doku, etc where they either have moved for big $$'s or still have the prospects on the horizon - but we have no idea of how they'll turn out.

It's a shame the production runs were so high on most of the 20-21 stuff outside of maybe Mosaic Serie A and Obsidian - some of those guys have astounding #'s of cards for soccer.

06-22-2023, 01:44 PM	#82
gomiamigo Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: in your head Posts: 10,954 esmoney gomiamigo	Saudi PIF is less than 5% of Clearlake capital's fund. Clearlake is one of the largest, most successful PE funds out there, they would never disadvantage 95% of their investors [may of whom as big as PIF like Norway and GSIC, Norway's fund is the biggest in the world] and ruin the firm's reputation to earn a couple extra million selling players. Comments to that effect are totally ignorant of reality. They just raised another $14 Billion fund. __________________ IG: KevinDurant35Cards

06-20-2023, 01:03 PM	#76
Meets1 Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 194 meets2	I blame Oscar

06-21-2023, 06:25 AM	#78
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,265 hanelcocards	Kovacic is a great signing for Manchester City. He's criminally underrated. One of the best no-nonsense midfielders in Europe easily.

06-21-2023, 08:18 AM	#79
kellmuff Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,348	Pep's going to turn him into one of the best no doubt. So good at progressing the ball.

06-21-2023, 07:14 PM	#80
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,265 hanelcocards	So Saudi have signed Neves for 47m and now they are going to loan him to Newcastle. It's disgusting. Blatant in your face cheating and manipulation of FFP.

06-22-2023, 08:32 AM	#81
mikee1186 Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: TN Posts: 2,119 mikee1186	Tonali to newcastle looks final as well. They are really gearing up in center mid if they take on Neves as well. Will be a formidable champions league side. Man city also looking to wreck arsenals plans for Declan rice. Will be interesting to see how that one unfolds. Wonder if they’ll actually put in a bid or are starting rumors to make it more expensive for arsenal.

06-22-2023, 02:37 PM	#83
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,162 edelsteind	Not sure I follow, you don’t think an asset management firm that has a client who invests billions with it would move some of its other assets to make the major investor happy, especially when doing so also advantages the other fund from which it is moving some of the assets? How does that tarnish its reputation or hurt other investors? The point is that Saudi PIF is investing in ways that enhance its influence over player movement. Seems beyond doubt that Saudi PIFs investment of billions with Clearlake after Clearlake acquired a majority interest in Chelsea was intended to grant priority access to Chelsea and facilitate relationship between the two.

06-22-2023, 04:42 PM	#84
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,265 hanelcocards	It's not about making money.

06-26-2023, 07:23 PM	#87
jmcca170 Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 803	I wouldn’t believe it until I saw him on the pitch, but it sounds like Harry Kane is at least open to the idea of playing for Bayern… they’ve been in talks with him and he’s their #1 target Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

06-27-2023, 10:49 AM	#92
kellmuff Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,348	yea be surprised to see him move abroad. Still think he ends up at City or United. The clock is running out for Spurs to make money on him. They're dumb, but not that dumb.

06-27-2023, 10:51 AM	#93
kellmuff Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,348	rumours of West Ham turning down 90M from City for Rice are wild I'm a big fan and think he's going to be a top top player for years to come, but that's wild money. Are Arsenal really going to spend more than that?

06-27-2023, 02:55 PM	#96
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,162 edelsteind	Why is it relevant that Clearlake has bigger investors? Saudi PIF is still investing billions with them. Are you suggesting that investment managers looking to recruit billion dollar investments don't go to lengths to entice potential investors, including making introductions, facilitating mutually beneficial business deals, and generally trying to make their investors happy? Clearlake isn't disadvantaging its other investors by facilitating a deal b/n Saudi PIF and Chelsea. The Saudis want to infiltrate the European soccer market as much as possible, and it is not a coincidence that they have invested billions of dollars with a PE firm that recently acquired a majority stake in Chelsea and now has also acquired a stake in Strasbourg. I don't know how the connection can be more apparent. It is clear as day what is happening.

06-27-2023, 04:22 PM	#97
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,265 hanelcocards	I think some people are just happy to put their fingers in their ears.

06-28-2023, 03:03 PM	#100
kingb22 Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 1,035	I saw there is now discussions of Szoboslai moving from Leipzig to Liverpool. It's amazing to look at that 20-21 class now that they are all hitting their prime and see the depth of talent in that year. Bellingham, Pedri, Szobo, Florian Wirtz, Osimhen, Gabriel Martinelli, Musiala, Xavi Simons, Wesley Fofana (based on his transfer fee), Camavinga, Darwin Nunez, Luis Diaz, Moukoko, Christopher Nkunku now of Chelski - the high end is pretty crazy. Even some of the lesser known guys like Goncalo Ramos, Jurien Timber now w/ Arsenal, Anatoliy Trubin (considered one of the top U-21 goalies in the world now), Yunus Musah, Eze and Connor Gallagher, Malik Tillman, Curtis Jones are also pretty solid. (And I'm sure could be argued they could be among the high end or the next group) You also have some of the guys like Antony, Adeyemi, Doku, etc where they either have moved for big $$'s or still have the prospects on the horizon - but we have no idea of how they'll turn out. It's a shame the production runs were so high on most of the 20-21 stuff outside of maybe Mosaic Serie A and Obsidian - some of those guys have astounding #'s of cards for soccer.