✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

He’s already at around 130 by the end of this season. 200 hr seems a certainty. I’m thinking more in the 300-400 range on his career.

And if he has a second half just as good as the first half he will have 30 wins at the end of this season. 12 wins per year for 6 seasons gets him to 100. Not totally in his control though as to the wins.

I think as long as he effectively pitches and hits, his WAR is going to tell the best story.

This and the fact that he's quite literally doing something that nobody has ever done in MLB history (at this level) and will likely never be done again in the near future. In 10 years, we'll all look back at this like it was all a fever dream.

When Ohtani inevitably transitions to a full time Pitcher or Hitter, it'll take a year or two to sink in. But we'll gradually assess the MLB landscape in 2027 (or whenever) and realize there either aren't any two way players or there aren't any effective two-way players and examining Ohtani's career will be less about WAR and more about the recent nostalgia as we realize we all witnessed maybe the most uniquely talented baseball player ever. No hyperbole, there.

His counting numbers will not end up being Ruthian and WAR will almost certainly tell you there are a couple hundred better players in the annals of MLB history. But we'll remember 2021 and 2022 and toss out weird box scores that look like video game sh%t and ESPN will flash "This week in MLB history, Shohei Ohtani followed up an 8RBI day at the plate with an 8IP, 2H, 0ER, 13K win" and we'll all just wish we had appreciated this as we should have.

Hell, up until last night I even had Judge as MVP and when I analyze my thought process I realize there was a certain bit of trying to find a reason NOT to give it to Ohtani again.

[whalechaser]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

This and the fact that he's quite literally doing something that nobody has ever done in MLB history (at this level) and will likely never be done again in the near future. In 10 years, we'll all look back at this like it was all a fever dream.

When Ohtani inevitably transitions to a full time Pitcher or Hitter, it'll take a year or two to sink in. But we'll gradually assess the MLB landscape in 2027 (or whenever) and realize there either aren't any two way players or there aren't any effective two-way players and examining Ohtani's career will be less about WAR and more about the recent nostalgia as we realize we all witnessed maybe the most uniquely talented baseball player ever. No hyperbole, there.

His counting numbers will not end up being Ruthian and WAR will almost certainly tell you there are a couple hundred better players in the annals of MLB history. But we'll remember 2021 and 2022 and toss out weird box scores that look like video game sh%t and ESPN will flash "This week in MLB history, Shohei Ohtani followed up an 8RBI day at the plate with an 8IP, 2H, 0ER, 13K win" and we'll all just wish we had appreciated this as we should have.

Hell, up until last night I even had Judge as MVP and when I analyze my thought process I realize there was a certain bit of trying to find a reason NOT to give it to Ohtani again.

This is the type of take I need to encourage me to buy more Ohtani cards
I am really interested in how we will look back at Shohei 10 year's from now.

[seanrs1]

Wanted to get some thoughts from everyone on here. I mainly collect low to mid end Ohtani cards (as everyone can see from my posts on this thread) and despite Ohtani producing another MVP caliber season the majority the cards I bought last year are still down from their peak prices (peak was right around the all star break to a little past). Do people on here think his prices are down due to market conditions (the whole card market seems down)? Or is it possible 2021 will be his peak moving forward despite his current performance? I keep on buying because in my opinion he seems to be under appreciated from a hobby perspective. Not that I expect his RC cards to approach Trout level (mainly due to supply), but of all the current players it seems his cards should be higher than they are.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Wanted to get some thoughts from everyone on here. I mainly collect low to mid end Ohtani cards (as everyone can see from my posts on this thread) and despite Ohtani producing another MVP caliber season the majority the cards I bought last year are still down from their peak prices (peak was right around the all star break to a little past). Do people on here think his prices are down due to market conditions (the whole card market seems down)? Or is it possible 2021 will be his peak moving forward despite his current performance? I keep on buying because in my opinion he seems to be under appreciated from a hobby perspective. Not that I expect his RC cards to approach Trout level (mainly due to supply), but of all the current players it seems his cards should be higher than they are.

During the peak of card craziness, his low end RC cards had pretty low graded pop, but now those have jumped. So its a combo of higher pop and the entire market tanking. Long term.... is anyones guess.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Wanted to get some thoughts from everyone on here. I mainly collect low to mid end Ohtani cards (as everyone can see from my posts on this thread) and despite Ohtani producing another MVP caliber season the majority the cards I bought last year are still down from their peak prices (peak was right around the all star break to a little past). Do people on here think his prices are down due to market conditions (the whole card market seems down)? Or is it possible 2021 will be his peak moving forward despite his current performance? I keep on buying because in my opinion he seems to be under appreciated from a hobby perspective. Not that I expect his RC cards to approach Trout level (mainly due to supply), but of all the current players it seems his cards should be higher than they are.

i would keep collecting!

[spiffycards]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

This and the fact that he's quite literally doing something that nobody has ever done in MLB history (at this level) and will likely never be done again in the near future. In 10 years, we'll all look back at this like it was all a fever dream.

When Ohtani inevitably transitions to a full time Pitcher or Hitter, it'll take a year or two to sink in. But we'll gradually assess the MLB landscape in 2027 (or whenever) and realize there either aren't any two way players or there aren't any effective two-way players and examining Ohtani's career will be less about WAR and more about the recent nostalgia as we realize we all witnessed maybe the most uniquely talented baseball player ever. No hyperbole, there.

His counting numbers will not end up being Ruthian and WAR will almost certainly tell you there are a couple hundred better players in the annals of MLB history. But we'll remember 2021 and 2022 and toss out weird box scores that look like video game sh%t and ESPN will flash "This week in MLB history, Shohei Ohtani followed up an 8RBI day at the plate with an 8IP, 2H, 0ER, 13K win" and we'll all just wish we had appreciated this as we should have.

Hell, up until last night I even had Judge as MVP and when I analyze my thought process I realize there was a certain bit of trying to find a reason NOT to give it to Ohtani again.

Ohtani is the first player I've collected in about 12 years. The only other one now is Mariano Rivera. I live on the east coast and used to put on Dodgers games to listen to as I went to sleep; now it's the Angels. I watch most Angels games and all of his starts. He is the most impressive baseball player I've ever seen. Card wise, I bought a lot of his stuff cheap in spring training last year and sold almost all of it at a big profit. I kept the stuff I really liked and am now going back and picking up anything that seems cool. I'm not a big spender; probably the nicest one I have is a 2019 Topps Heritage Black Refractor. But he is someone I actually look forward to watching play baseball and I really don't know how in a few years his stuff isn't more valuable than everyone else's taking into consideration print runs, etc.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i would keep collecting!

Sure thing! Will post my latest purchase when I get the card.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by spiffycards

Ohtani is the first player I've collected in about 12 years. The only other one now is Mariano Rivera. I live on the east coast and used to put on Dodgers games to listen to as I went to sleep; now it's the Angels. I watch most Angels games and all of his starts. He is the most impressive baseball player I've ever seen. Card wise, I bought a lot of his stuff cheap in spring training last year and sold almost all of it at a big profit. I kept the stuff I really liked and am now going back and picking up anything that seems cool. I'm not a big spender; probably the nicest one I have is a 2019 Topps Heritage Black Refractor. But he is someone I actually look forward to watching play baseball and I really don't know how in a few years his stuff isn't more valuable than everyone else's taking into consideration print runs, etc.

Love, love, love this post! Thank you for sharing!

[hammertime]

A couple recent rookie cup pickups.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Wanted to get some thoughts from everyone on here. I mainly collect low to mid end Ohtani cards (as everyone can see from my posts on this thread) and despite Ohtani producing another MVP caliber season the majority the cards I bought last year are still down from their peak prices (peak was right around the all star break to a little past). Do people on here think his prices are down due to market conditions (the whole card market seems down)? Or is it possible 2021 will be his peak moving forward despite his current performance? I keep on buying because in my opinion he seems to be under appreciated from a hobby perspective. Not that I expect his RC cards to approach Trout level (mainly due to supply), but of all the current players it seems his cards should be higher than they are.

My collection is also almost entirely low end. I don’t know what anyone considers his chrome rookies raw but I have some and also consider those low end. I have duplicates of lots of them that were sort of intended as sell extras if things get crazy and I did just that for a handful at the peak last year.

He had a slow start this year and lots of people haven’t caught on yet. If he wins another mvp you will see things get crazy.

My one high end…I got lucky in 2020 and hit a Trout auto/20 in a box of Ginter X and then an Ohtani/5 gold auto. I got even luckier when no one so much as nibbled when I listed it around $700 and no offers higher than $225 when I dropped the price to $450. Around spring training 2021 a light went on in my head and I began to question my sanity of even listing the card at any price. And so it remains in my collection and I’m unlikely to ever sell. After that card, my next priciest are raw 2018 Ginter X and Topps Chrome base and Chrome Update base. So everything low end except the auto

Someone earlier posted if you’ve been stocking up on Ohtani’s, your grandkids will thank you. I think that poster (TBP?) was very correct.

[Trueblue]

Ohtani's prices last year were meteoric and unsustainable. Look for more gradual increases as he inches toward a HoF caliber resume, which could in theory happen before his age 30 season. 4 years of sheer two way dominance will not go unrecognized.

I would have sold more last year but there's a lot of stuff that I knew if I sold, I would never see it again. Zero regrets.

[Vdm2018]

Originally Posted by hammertime

A couple recent rookie cup pickups.

Nice pick up. I bought another card with a rookie cup logo. Can’t wait to get it on my hand

[seanrs1]

Probably over paid, but for some reason I really like the xfractor. Here is my latest pick up.



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[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Probably over paid, but for some reason I really like the xfractor. Here is my latest pick up.



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IMO no such thing as "overpaying" for something you want to own*




*unless of course you are putting yourself into extreme debt and wont be able to cover your adulting.

[seanrs1]

I am responsible with my finances. I only buy cards with my fun money. So I am able to afford any card I want. I just meant I paid current fair market price for the card. But I imagine if I waited for the off season I could have paid less. But I will keep on buying when I feel prices are reasonable. I am a long term collector when it comes to Ohtani.

[rock97430]

Latest Pick Up for the PC

[Vdm2018]

Beautiful cards everyone

[Mister2Bits]

Originally Posted by rock97430

Latest Pick Up for the PC

Bravo. That's a good one!

[Trueblue]

Interesting how the media is catching on that the Soto situation is not unlike the Ohtani situation. If anything, there is more urgency since the contract ends *two years earlier.

Arte is faced with three choices here: trade Sho for an absolute haul and be known in history as the guy that traded Mega Cyborg Babe Ruth, ignore luxury tax and invest in acquiring talent to firmly win 2023 (not this minimal crapshoot that we saw this past offseason) with the potential of it being a wasted investment (what's new), or waste another year of Sho and let him walk.

I would typically say it's choice one or two as a no-brainer, but with this owner, it's so hard to tell. His background is in the ad business and he clearly sucks at playing GM, so he may just milk it for the year. Damn shame. At least there may be plenty of bobbleheads in 2023!

[rock97430]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

Bravo. That's a good one!

thanks mate

[Garrison8]

I haven’t collected baseball in probably 15 years. But with Ohtani, I feel like I’m seeing something so incredible and unique, that I wanted a small part of it. I think so many of his cards are incredibly undervalued. Who is setting themselves apart from everyone else in a sport, like Ohtani? I’m not sure what it will take for his cards to approach appropriate value. Maybe team wins? Maybe another mvp and CY? I’m not sure, I just know that I feel like I can’t go wrong collecting Ohtani. At worst, he chooses to focus on pitching or hitting, but has created a legacy as a top end hitter and pitcher. When you think of this era, Ohtani should be the first player to come to mind.

[BC Hunt]

Same photo, different angle.

2018 blue /50 and 2019 Refractor

[Rabs]

He’s not going to pitch in the All Star game per Dusty.

[Vdm2018]

Picked up another Purple Sapphire (/10) with a rookie cup logo.




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[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by Garrison8

I haven’t collected baseball in probably 15 years. But with Ohtani, I feel like I’m seeing something so incredible and unique, that I wanted a small part of it. I think so many of his cards are incredibly undervalued. Who is setting themselves apart from everyone else in a sport, like Ohtani? I’m not sure what it will take for his cards to approach appropriate value. Maybe team wins? Maybe another mvp and CY? I’m not sure, I just know that I feel like I can’t go wrong collecting Ohtani. At worst, he chooses to focus on pitching or hitting, but has created a legacy as a top end hitter and pitcher. When you think of this era, Ohtani should be the first player to come to mind.

Nice! Can never go wrong with a BCA. Now you just need the matching pitching version, the 1st BCA