Skybox 2024 1992 MM Platinum

[DynaEtch]

I think it’s fairly popular…if you look on reddit in the marvel card subs for example, it’s lots of posts on there of this set. You don’t see many on the 2024MM Grego set in comparison, but then again that’s a $600 hobby box and these are blasters you can pick up for $40 at most major retailers, so this set is much more accessible.

I think some people (especially on those Reddit subs where it’s probably more casual collectors) are re-discovering the 92MM set freshly through this. The 92 set is old news for me and I’m sure most others on here, but for a reprint set this set is still enjoyable and very nice looking. I love the look of many of these parallels, and it’s fun trying to put together 100-card sets of them. Normally I’m not a huge fan of reprints but being chrome and the notion of introducing scarcity to the very mass-produced 92 set is interesting to me.

Said it before, but because this is a 1-off type thing (or 2-off if you include reg Platinum), shiny chrome, awesome bright art of Jusko…I suspect this will actually do better than some of the regular MMs like 2018 and 2020 MM down the road. Keeping in mind the print run is absolutely massive in this set compared to those sets, but talking about overall demand.

I just hope this mostly chrome set doesn’t end up as utterly bowed “C’s” down the road (already noticing my base having a minor bend and set’s been out a month) and I’m trying to take precautions to make sure they don’t, but we’ll see how that plays out in the long run.

[DynaEtch]

I think you hit the nail on the head though- it’s the nostalgia. It reminds me of the era I originally collected in, and which I still think is the best in terms of marvel cards. This set captures the 90s feel in ways that those other sets you mentioned do not as much (and not just because this literally features a 90s set). The one thing that is strikingly different from the 90s though is the low number of cards per pack- 3 in a blaster pack, 4 in hobby- and number of packs per box (8 and 12). I do miss boxes having like 36 packs and packs like 6 cards….some major shrinkflation.

[comicbooksgo]

I love the original set to death, but UD running the presses straight into hell on this has my interest at minimal at best. I only have 2 golden treasures from it that I'm keeping for my PC. Busting boxes is an absolute bloodbath. UD definitely wanted to get their $, and they ultimately will I guess. I don't care at all about collecting PMG's+ most of them look terrible in this with all the white anyway. Greens to 10 is not my thing, and The golds being numbered to 92 has me not caring about collecting those either. Basically, I'm in on any GT's that pop up, but at the price for what you get, this set was the biggest letdown I could have imagined coming on the heels of Marvel Platinum.

[comicbooksgo]

I bought A LOT of Marvel Platinum, and haven't even thought about buying anything to bust since the minimal amount they put on E-pack sold out. $40 a blaster is ridiculous with a terrible chance at hitting anything worth a damn. Hobby is $ straight down the drain 99% of the time. I'll stick to bidding on whatever GT's pop up from it, but literally everything else they did with this makes me want to vomit.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by comicbooksgo

I love the original set to death, but UD running the presses straight into hell on this has my interest at minimal at best. I only have 2 golden treasures from it that I'm keeping for my PC. Busting boxes is an absolute bloodbath. UD definitely wanted to get their $, and they ultimately will I guess. I don't care at all about collecting PMG's+ most of them look terrible in this with all the white anyway. Greens to 10 is not my thing, and The golds being numbered to 92 has me not caring about collecting those either. Basically, I'm in on any GT's that pop up, but at the price for what you get, this set was the biggest letdown I could have imagined coming on the heels of Marvel Platinum.

Massive print run: bad for opening wax, awesome for building sets and finding singles cheaply. I’m fine with it. Compare how hard as a set collector it is to build sets within the new MM24 Grego set right now vs this (which will be compounded if that Grego set never reaches ePack which looks like it won’t).

The print run of unnumbered inserts in this, from Rainbows to Leather to Mirage, to even Holofoils and Battle Spectra Rainbow, are simply going to be large- many hundreds if not over 1000- and quite doable as a set collector.

What else I low key-like in this is outside the PMGs (which I’m almost ignoring in this set because the white patterns), there is nothing between /92 and /292. I like that distinction and makes the golds (and less) more special. If there was instead a continuous spectrum of colors, including /150, /200, /233 or whatever between that, it kind of just runs together. The /292’s and above are pretty attainable as a set collector…and the /92 golds might just be, although the expensive enough for sure. I will be having a field day with this overall 92MM platinum set in terms of the long term future and chipping away at things.

For someone breaking wax though- 100% this is a lackluster and frustrating set. I got clobbered money-wise in what I opened both hobby and blasters- like next level clobbered. I didn’t do any epack at all, which was probably a good decision. My money is going to COMC for singles.

[DynaEtch]

The GT landscape regarding this set seems like it’d be annoying to get into (see the story about the one I bought on eBay above)- too competitive and the underhanded tactics. If I can manage to land one GT- even a common- as a cherry-on-top thing for the set eventually, I’ll leave it at that and be thrilled. Really kicking myself about not making an offer on that Archangel GT that went for a very fair price of 1200 looking back.

[DynaEtch]

If we’re comparing this to Marvel Platinum, it’s true regular Platinum has some advantages: wax is more lucrative, is (partly) new art, and has autos and very rare sketches.

But one thing this set has that Platinum doesn’t as much is the card art in this is iconic. These Jusko card images are legendary in the hobby. So not only would it be for example a 1/1 golden treasures of a Cyclops card…it is a 1/1 golden treasures of the iconic Cyclops card. Stuff like this makes this set really stand out and the reason I think it is viewed quite favorably by the market in the long run. (As long as they don’t keep rehashing this same set in future sets going forward, like by Topps etc).

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by glorbgorb

I definitely think it would have hit differently if sets had been spread out over time as (I assume) the intention would have been. We don't know what release schedules were supposed to look like because we were still catching up from covid delays, then rushed with the flurry of releases due to the license moving.

I am but one collector, but this set did not interest me at all. It is just a reprint set in my mind. I also do not have the nostalgia as I did not start collecting Marvel until the early 2000s. So yeah, it's not for everyone. Because of the reprint aspect, if I wanted the artwork I would just buy the original set. This is not one that needed all the parallels.

But I get why UD did it.

The reprint doesn't bother me cause the original set is overprinted and I'm only after the rarer variant sets in this set, which the original set doesn't have (I'm not going to bother with the base set). Furthermore, aren't all card arts not original, but simply a copy of the original painting or drawing?

Originally Posted by Tim

Why don't you think it's popular? From my perspective it is.

I don't see as much facebook postings on this set, when compared to the original platinum set, and not as much breakings, when compared to matriarch and spiderman rendition. Also, while those two sealed prices have increased, platinum masterpieces have dropped.

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I think it’s fairly popular…if you look on reddit in the marvel card subs for example, it’s lots of posts on there of this set. You don’t see many on the 2024MM Grego set in comparison, but then again that’s a $600 hobby box and these are blasters you can pick up for $40 at most major retailers, so this set is much more accessible.

I think some people (especially on those Reddit subs where it’s probably more casual collectors) are re-discovering the 92MM set freshly through this. The 92 set is old news for me and I’m sure most others on here, but for a reprint set this set is still enjoyable and very nice looking. I love the look of many of these parallels, and it’s fun trying to put together 100-card sets of them. Normally I’m not a huge fan of reprints but being chrome and the notion of introducing scarcity to the very mass-produced 92 set is interesting to me.

Said it before, but because this is a 1-off type thing (or 2-off if you include reg Platinum), shiny chrome, awesome bright art of Jusko…I suspect this will actually do better than some of the regular MMs like 2018 and 2020 MM down the road. Keeping in mind the print run is absolutely massive in this set compared to those sets, but talking about overall demand.

I just hope this mostly chrome set doesn’t end up as utterly bowed “C’s” down the road (already noticing my base having a minor bend and set’s been out a month) and I’m trying to take precautions to make sure they don’t, but we’ll see how that plays out in the long run.

For such a popular set, any idea where collectors post trades to complete sets? Last time I opened Marvel sealed product was 2015 fleer retro and there were plenty of posts asking for trades to complete sets, for this, there were a few posts about sales and that's it.

Originally Posted by comicbooksgo

I love the original set to death, but UD running the presses straight into hell on this has my interest at minimal at best. I only have 2 golden treasures from it that I'm keeping for my PC. Busting boxes is an absolute bloodbath. UD definitely wanted to get their $, and they ultimately will I guess. I don't care at all about collecting PMG's+ most of them look terrible in this with all the white anyway. Greens to 10 is not my thing, and The golds being numbered to 92 has me not caring about collecting those either. Basically, I'm in on any GT's that pop up, but at the price for what you get, this set was the biggest letdown I could have imagined coming on the heels of Marvel Platinum.

There are plenty of PMG without the whitening errors, so it wouldn't bother me, unless I plan to make a set. Mind sharing which 2 golden treasures you have? We need to add to the list, so character collectors would know what have been pulled.

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

The GT landscape regarding this set seems like it’d be annoying to get into (see the story about the one I bought on eBay above)- too competitive and the underhanded tactics. If I can manage to land one GT- even a common- as a cherry-on-top thing for the set eventually, I’ll leave it at that and be thrilled. Really kicking myself about not making an offer on that Archangel GT that went for a very fair price of 1200 looking back.

Any idea how much is the Lizards golden treasure worth? Approximate? These 1/1 seems to be quite rare, I have been watching over 7 case breaks and have not seen one 1/1 being pulled.

[comicbooksgo]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

The GT landscape regarding this set seems like it’d be annoying to get into (see the story about the one I bought on eBay above)- too competitive and the underhanded tactics. If I can manage to land one GT- even a common- as a cherry-on-top thing for the set eventually, I’ll leave it at that and be thrilled. Really kicking myself about not making an offer on that Archangel GT that went for a very fair price of 1200 looking back.

Can you quote that story about the one you bought on Ebay? I'm not seeing it and I'm curious..

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Any idea how much is the Lizards golden treasure worth? Approximate? These 1/1 seems to be quite rare, I have been watching over 7 case breaks and have not seen one 1/1 being pulled.

The none in 7 cases isn’t surprising. With the estimated 175k hobby box number, we should expect a 1/1 to show up 1 every 32 cases (and that includes PMG gold 1/1s as well as both types of gold treasures). Shows how incredible your pull in one case was.

Hard to give an exact value. In the few sales I’ve seen so far, it seems there might be a slight preference for regular over variant based on the ones that are selling. Lizard is obviously a more minor character and not many collectors of him out there….but with a 1/1 it’s still going to be a lot. (If it helps, I do like the art of the Lizard…more than a typical minor character in this). Practically speaking in the current market with money spread thin with almost everyone, maybe like $800-1500. But certainly nothing wrong with asking higher than that being a 1/1.

True about not many trade threads etc…could be a reflection of the sparse number of people on this forum in nonsports if anything. Part of it is people do a bulk of their trading on ePack these days and just go to comc for buying up cheap singles.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by comicbooksgo

Can you quote that story about the one you bought on Ebay? I'm not seeing it and I'm curious..

Was the Northstar regular golden treasures, posted about below

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

One word of caution with the Golden Treasures and PMG golds in this…there are shenanigans going on in the market. Dishonest players making it bad. Something that is all too common in the higher echelon of the Marvel card market unfortunately- and with this I include things like 1/1s, original art, and highest end sketches. I bought a Golden Treasures of a common character from this for $500….not a bad price tbh….and the seller then canceled it on me a couple hours later. I have little doubt a Golden Treasures whale swooped in after the sale and offered more for it.

So be prepared even if you successfully buy something like a Surfer golden treasure, to expect shenanigans. Marvel card market can really suck at some of the higher levels- just the nature of this hobby unfortunately.

Edit: unless of course it’s on COMC and an instant transfer…then it shouldn’t matter.

[comicbooksgo]

Oh, wow. That sucks. Sorry that happened to you. I'd be livid.
One note about golden treasures. I'd definitely pay more for cover variants and have than I would nons. I have 12 total GT's. Bought 6 and pulled 6. This is speaking more to Marvel Platinum proper and not Masterpieces, but the CV's are noticeably brighter and just look cooler to me with the logos. The brightness is the same w Masterpieces to my eyes, so that isn't a factor, but the logo puts the CV's over the top. There haven't been enough sales of Masterpiece GT's to say one way or the other which is more valuable at this point, but I believe the gold cv's outdo the nons. To me that's a good indicator.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by comicbooksgo

Oh, wow. That sucks. Sorry that happened to you. I'd be livid.
One note about golden treasures. I'd definitely pay more for cover variants and have than I would nons. I have 12 total GT's. Bought 6 and pulled 6. This is speaking more to Marvel Platinum proper and not Masterpieces, but the CV's are noticeably brighter and just look cooler to me with the logos. The brightness is the same w Masterpieces to my eyes, so that isn't a factor, but the logo puts the CV's over the top. There haven't been enough sales of Masterpiece GT's to say one way or the other which is more valuable at this point, but I believe the gold cv's outdo the nons. To me that's a good indicator.

The comment about preference is just based on most if not all GTs I’ve seen sell so far in 92MM Plat were regular. It’s early of course.

I agree the logos look great on these…I had a similar dilemma when deciding to collect either the gold seismics or gold seismic variants (it’s important I pick one and stick to it if I have any hope of completing it). Some people I think do prefer “base” things, and hence would prefer the regular GT.

This could be compounded by adding the PMG golds into the discussion, but both GT’s beat the PMG gold if only for the white border issues alone imo…but the superfractor look I like better as well.

[comicbooksgo]

100% agree that either version of GT> PMG gold. I'm biased though because I've never gotten really into any of the Metal sets or got sucked into the PMG craze. They just do nothing for me. That GT superfractor look though...They are just awesome in hand.

[fabiani12333]

The super high print run and lack of expected value in boxes is only one big issue with this release. I'd argue the poor execution and apparent rushed production really hurt its chances of being popular in the long run.

The potential for this product was through the roof. Can you imagine all the different possibilities? BSGs; cosmic parallels; framed inserts like in 24' MM -- I could have had a joygasm.

There are still some nice cards in this release. But man, I can't unsee some of the mistakes, like the white-out areas on the PMGs, and the sloppy cropping and etching at the borders of the chrome cards.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The super high print run and lack of expected value in boxes is only one big issue with this release. I'd argue the poor execution and apparent rushed production really hurt its chances of being popular in the long run.

The potential for this product was through the roof. Can you imagine all the different possibilities? BSGs; cosmic parallels; framed inserts like in 24' MM -- I could have had a joygasm.

There are still some nice cards in this release. But man, I can't unsee some of the mistakes, like the white-out areas on the PMGs, and the sloppy cropping and etching at the borders of the chrome cards.

The PMG thing is laughably bad I agree…my solution is I just ignore the PMGs as a collector (or at least the ones affected).

It’s a sharp looking set for the most part- the choice of parallel designs and logos used for cover variants were great imo.

Not particularly a grader but these will look great in a gem mint holder too (below card was from ebay and not my card). While the regular base do often have chrome edge chipping, and certain parallels have O/C issues like Holofoils, the typical parallels like this seem to be much less affected. If this isn’t a great looking marvel card, I must be collecting wrong (!)



The super high print run is bad for busting wax and flipping but great news for a set collector, so that goes both ways. I think this set will do fine in the long run but that depends a little on if yet another set comes out rehashing the 92MMs or not (from Topps) and floods the market even more on this set. If it doesn’t and this remains the only limited version 92MM set, I think it’ll do fairly well.

[DynaEtch]

I think we can finally make some reasonable estimates of the print run of all unnumbered inserts. It depends on exactly 3 numbers: hobby box number, blaster box number, and physical/epack % breakdown. If we knew each of those 3 numbers, everything would be 100% known. Instead we have estimates of them, discussed below.

Hobby box number: 173,000 boxes (very confident. Based off 30 numbered/case. This number determines by far the biggest part of the print runs below.)
Physical/epack breakdown: 8% epack (being generous here, but somewhat confident. Based on epack marketplace numbers. This number barely matters at all for the print runs below).
Blaster box number: 75,000 blaster boxes (probably the least confident of anything. Based off purple variants falling about 1:1.5 cases. They could be 1:2 cases which pushes that up to 100k boxes. This number does affect print runs- only of retail included inserts- slightly but not much total).

Below uses hard stated odds from packs/epack, so is more accurate than GoGTS’s checklist odds, which were wrong in some cases.

Print Runs of Unnumbered
Base - /53,520 (compare to original 92MM cards which were each /780,000)
Base (Warlock or Apoc error) - /26,760
Base (Warlock or Apoc correct) - /26,760
Fantastic Cover - /17,051
Corner Box - /16,971
Battle Spectrum - /11,880
Canvas - /11,380
Variant Cover - /5,940
Clear Cut - /5,690
Rainbow - /4,460
Leather - /2,845
Blue Traxx - /2,230
Fantastic Cover Rainbow - /2,222
Corner Box Rainbow - /2,205
Variant Cover Rainbow - /1,980
Lenticular - /1,897
Battle Spectrum Rainbow - /1,485
Variant Cover Blue Traxx - /990
Holofoil - /935
Purple Crystals - /750
Plexi - /577
Wood - /288
Metallurgy - /95

One of the biggest surprises is Battle Spectrum rainbows being /1,485. Some of these were selling for $100 early on.

[rj.cataldo]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I think we can finally make some reasonable estimates of the print run of all unnumbered inserts. It depends on exactly 3 numbers: hobby box number, blaster box number, and physical/epack % breakdown. If we knew each of those 3 numbers, everything would be 100% known. Instead we have estimates of them, discussed below.

Hobby box number: 173,000 boxes (very confident. Based off 30 numbered/case. This number determines by far the biggest part of the print runs below.)
Physical/epack breakdown: 8% epack (being generous here, but somewhat confident. Based on epack marketplace numbers. This number barely matters at all for the print runs below).
Blaster box number: 75,000 blaster boxes (probably the least confident of anything. Based off purple variants falling about 1:1.5 cases. They could be 1:2 cases which pushes that up to 100k boxes. This number does affect print runs- only of retail included inserts- slightly but not much total).

Below uses hard stated odds from packs/epack, so is more accurate than GoGTS’s checklist odds, which were wrong in some cases.

Print Runs of Unnumbered
Base - /53,520 (compare to original 92MM cards which were each /780,000)
Base (Warlock or Apoc error) - /26,760
Base (Warlock or Apoc correct) - /26,760
Fantastic Cover - /17,051
Corner Box - /16,971
Battle Spectrum - /11,880
Canvas - /11,380
Variant Cover - /5,940
Clear Cut - /5,690
Rainbow - /4,460
Leather - /2,845
Blue Traxx - /2,230
Fantastic Cover Rainbow - /2,222
Corner Box Rainbow - /2,205
Variant Cover Rainbow - /1,980
Lenticular - /1,897
Battle Spectrum Rainbow - /1,485
Variant Cover Blue Traxx - /990
Holofoil - /935
Plexi - /577
Wood - /288
Metallurgy - /95

One of the biggest surprises is Battle Spectrum rainbows being /1,485. Some of these were selling for $100 early on.

This was very similar to what I estimated back of the napkins assuming 180K boxes.

Understanding the print run is high on this set, I actually think that is somewhat cool as it is reminiscent of the 90s when numbered cards were super easy to hit.

Originally I was out on this set, and it has really grown on me. I don’t collect Marvel in the early 90s so for me this is “new” and it’s a modern way to collect this set. I think this was a strong offering by UD and a fun chase on epack as well.


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[GFD18]

anyone out there still sitting on a Spider-Man digital base?

I am down to needing TWO more to finish my Kaleidoscope. Any help is appreciated. You can look at GFD18 for trades

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by GFD18

anyone out there still sitting on a Spider-Man digital base?

I am down to needing TWO more to finish my Kaleidoscope. Any help is appreciated. You can look at GFD18 for trades

Best of luck…did you get the last 2? Heck of a kaleidoscope to obtain. What is the trade value of a Spidey base at this point on epack? Sounds brutal trying to do that.

[DynaEtch]

Here’s a Venom VIP I picked up. They look pretty nice on hand with the rainbowing over the card. The black marble on the back for VIP blacks is a nice touch.

There is 1 currently showing on the epack marketplace, I think I saw 3 total at one point (including this one). I wonder what the print run of this will end up as.





Oh to whoever bought my extra Doom VIP black from comc…I probably sold that for way too little at only like $125…you got a nice deal I think!

[Kobefan]

Given how bad of a value it is to open platinum masterpieces boxes, if you are one of those people who continues to open packs, what is your reasoning? For me, it's the desire to get a Silver Surfer 1/1, an almost impossible goal. It's probably one of those cards that get snatched up by collectors and never to be seen or maybe listed for astronomical prices. Opening other pricier 1/1, like Spiderman, Wolverine, or Venom would be amazing, but it's almost no different from opening other 6-figure grail cards in other hobbies, so I wouldn't keep opening this product for those cards. It's fun to think that if I haven't bought any packs and used those cards to just buy singles, I would have enough for 3 Surfer PMG blue, 2 green surges, 1 lava orange, 1 kaleidoscope, and 1 cover variant purple crystal.

Anyway, since I'm still chasing the impossible, I bought another 5 boxes, and these are my pulls:

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[Spacemanspif]

man... where are you getting these boxes from? based on estimated print run, as well as a lot of personal experience lighting money on fire, the hits /100 or lower are about 1:4 boxes, so you crushed it yet again with pulling very short print cards in a limited amount of boxes

[GFD18]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Best of luck…did you get the last 2? Heck of a kaleidoscope to obtain. What is the trade value of a Spidey base at this point on epack? Sounds brutal trying to do that.

I'm still hunting. Just need ONE more now. Anyone have one gathering digital dust? I have a Wolverine or Venom base (locked, so just ask and i can send the trade your way)
I'm: GFD18

imo the trade value is between $3 and $5, but some people still think they can get $20-$40 value on a digital spidey

[DynaEtch]

Edit: re: Kobefan

I’d say you’re still way above the odds. I just watched a live 18-box hobby case break this morning and it had 1 gold seismic, 1 blue PMG, and 0 orange lavas. So to get that in 5 boxes is quite remarkable. The only hobby I bought in this release was a lot of 3 hobby boxes (at expensive presale), and got nothing better than a few pink lasers and one red wave. One of the biggest value hits I took in this hobby in recent memory, if not ever. $950 for like 30 bucks worth of cards on comc.

This set is no different than others and people are ripping for exactly the reason you state, to get a miraculous Spidey, Wolverine, Venom, Psylocke 1/1. Ok maybe the terrible expected return, even for wax standards, is a little different from some other sets. I do think opening wax is quite irrational for 92MM, either hobby or blasters (this coming someone who opened plenty). Blasters are even worse value now that reg purple crystals have all but plummeted (not surprising being /750 - /1000ish), and even purple variant singles not going for that much.

The chances of getting a 1/1 at all is like 1 in 32 hobby cases- this number is astounding, picture 32 cases lined up in a room, that’s what it takes. I’ve watched many breaks to date and have not seen one pulled live. If to pull one is 1 in 32 cases (market price like 80 thousand dollars), you can do the math what it is to pull a particular character…that’s a devil of a bargain trying to bust wax for one character’s 1/1..in short not worth it! With 3 possible Surfer 1/1s out there, it’s possible at least 1 may hit the market.

Ps- you should rainbow that Lizard at this point