✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by dantheman514

Sho has got to be MVP if he stays healthy, right? Even if his numbers are not nearly as good as last year, he is doing things no one has ever done before. He's incredible.

Depends, as ever, on how you define "valuable." Personally - if I'm a GM putting together a brand new team, is he number one on my wishlist?

Probably... but I acknowledge that it's possible he shouldn't be.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by Boo

No, just no

It’s a bit of a stretch at this point since the season is so young, but say he goes 130 IP with a sub 3 era and also hits 30 homeruns and knocks in 100.

In what universe does that not merit mvp consideration?

[Lonewolf]

Wow, 8 RBIs one night, then 13 strikeouts the next...he is something!

[NYBBFAN]

Babe Whoth??

j/k Babe, there’s room in my collection for both of you.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

It’s a bit of a stretch at this point since the season is so young, but say he goes 130 IP with a sub 3 era and also hits 30 homeruns and knocks in 100.

In what universe does that not merit mvp consideration?

What he's doing is just so crazy. Its not like say Judge could go out there and be even a 5 era pitcher. He can't do it at all. Same with say Scherzer, go out and hit 30 HR. Its not like he will hit 10, he will hit 0. From strictly a payroll standpoint, Ohtani is by far the most valuable player because he's two players. That said, I think if Judge hits around 60HR and the Yankees win 105+, he's going to get the mvp. Ohtani hasn't really gotten on fire hitting wise, but if he does, its going to take a historic hitting season from another player for him to not get the mvp.

[whalechaser]

I understand if he's not MVP this year with the way Judge is hitting and the Yankees winning.

I hope he at least makes the All Star team. He's one of the main reasons I even watch baseball. The fact that he might not make the All Star team is kind of weird.


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[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by JRX

What he's doing is just so crazy. Its not like say Judge could go out there and be even a 5 era pitcher. He can't do it at all. Same with say Scherzer, go out and hit 30 HR. Its not like he will hit 10, he will hit 0. From strictly a payroll standpoint, Ohtani is by far the most valuable player because he's two players. That said, I think if Judge hits around 60HR and the Yankees win 105+, he's going to get the mvp. Ohtani hasn't really gotten on fire hitting wise, but if he does, its going to take a historic hitting season from another player for him to not get the mvp.

I would say that Judge hitting 60 would do it. Devers has multiple paths to putting up some sort of ridiculous season line that could warrant an MVP. Jose Ramirez is currently on pace for 100+ XBH (40 of them being HRs) to go with 160 RBI and a BB/K ration of 1.3/1. In a "dead ball" season, there are some ridiculous AL seasons being had. And that doesn't even mention the Yordan/Trout seasons or that Luis Arraez is hitting .360 - all big seasons that aren't MVP caliber in this field.

[Trueblue]

I love that we're starting to have Yankee fans burst in this thread crying that their player deserves MVP more. It means our boy is dominating.

Very reminiscent of 2018 and 2021 if you nah mean

[Spunky245]

I love watching BOTH Judge and Ohtani. You shouldn’t have to choose between one or the other. What a time to be a baseball fan!

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I love that we're starting to have Yankee fans burst in this thread crying that their player deserves MVP more. It means our boy is dominating.

Very reminiscent of 2018 and 2021 if you nah mean

If the season ended today, Judge is the mvp. Ohtani has had flashes (last two games are a perfect example), but he's not what he was last year. However, if he goes on a crazy run its going to be a really interesting mvp race.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by Spunky245

I love watching BOTH Judge and Ohtani. You shouldn’t have to choose between one or the other. What a time to be a baseball fan!

Agreed, I don't really understand the bickering...Ohtani is my favorite for a slew of reasons but at the end of the day I enjoy watching people who are good at baseball.

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Agreed, I don't really understand the bickering...Ohtani is my favorite for a slew of reasons but at the end of the day I enjoy watching people who are good at baseball.

With a few exceptions for personal reasons, I concur.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by whalechaser

I understand if he's not MVP this year with the way Judge is hitting and the Yankees winning.

I hope he at least makes the All Star team. He's one of the main reasons I even watch baseball. The fact that he might not make the All Star team is kind of weird.


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He’s a lock for the AS game right now. Dudes in the top ten in AL in homeruns and strikeouts. That’s a crazy stat.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

He’s a lock for the AS game right now. Dudes in the top ten in AL in homeruns and strikeouts. That’s a crazy stat.

Aaron Judge is only one strikeout shy of being in the AL top ten for strikeouts as well... of course, that's a different type of strikeout...

(To be fair - he and Shohei are actually tied on that one. Wouldn't that be something, to end the season in the top ten in Ks both directions.)

[SidVish]

Originally Posted by zworykin

Jealous! That Performers Atomic is one the last few I'm missing for that set. And yet it's my least favorite card from this post. Go figure!

Thanks!

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[rman112]

It's so early, but you could have a real old school vs. new school ideology clash for the AL MVP:

You could have Ohtani:

35 HR
12 wins
Team wins 78 games, misses the postseason even with expanded playoffs

vs. Judge:

55 HR
Team wins 115 games

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by rman112

It's so early, but you could have a real old school vs. new school ideology clash for the AL MVP:



You could have Ohtani:



35 HR

12 wins

Team wins 78 games, misses the postseason even with expanded playoffs



vs. Judge:



55 HR

Team wins 115 games

I like this debate more than whether Ohtani should quit pitching or hitting . Funny what a year and change can do.

[imbluestreak23]

WAR is not accurate. Shohei literally should be awarded a 1.0 for winning the game yesterday. Okay, maybe 0.95 or something since he got some help with fielders and a couple of dudes on offense coming through.

For those betting, his MVP line is looking enticing.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I like this debate more than whether Ohtani should quit pitching or hitting . Funny what a year and change can do.

Ohtani's still got to show he can minimize that second half downswing, which is going to be tough. And Judge has had his own troubles staying healthy.

FWIW, these are the current paces:

Ohtani - 33 HR, 13 wins, Angels 76 wins

Judge - 63 HR, Yankees 119(!) team wins

[Philthy]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

WAR is not accurate. Shohei literally should be awarded a 1.0 for winning the game yesterday. Okay, maybe 0.95 or something since he got some help with fielders and a couple of dudes on offense coming through.

For those betting, his MVP line is looking enticing.

He almost did get 1.0 WAR for that game though. He totaled 1.0 fWAR for his last two games played.

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by rman112

It's so early, but you could have a real old school vs. new school ideology clash for the AL MVP:

You could have Ohtani:

35 HR
12 wins
Team wins 78 games, misses the postseason even with expanded playoffs

vs. Judge:

55 HR
Team wins 115 games

Stupid comparison. Ohtani is way more valuable to his team then Judge. What is the Angels payroll compared to the Yankees? Now I’m sure it’s not a crazy difference I’m curious though.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Stupid comparison. Ohtani is way more valuable to his team then Judge. What is the Angels payroll compared to the Yankees? Now I’m sure it’s not a crazy difference I’m curious though.

Lol. Ohtani 100% 1st place votes confirmed.

[rman112]

There is a real argument to be made about Ohtani's value to his team based on his production in wins vs. losses. He's played pretty much the entire year, and he's been way better when they win vs. when they lose.

Compared to Judge, who has been plenty productive in Yankee losses. Then again, the Yankees aren't losing many games, so it's a small sample size. Judge has only been up 70 times in Yankee losses. Ohtani's been up 150 times.

As a pitcher, he's 6-4. They've lost the 2 games he didn't get a decision in.

In addition to the novelty, I think Ohtani made it easy for voters last year because he also was the WAR leader. This year though, he's 7th in the AL alone.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by rman112

There is a real argument to be made about Ohtani's value to his team based on his production in wins vs. losses. He's played pretty much the entire year, and he's been way better when they win vs. when they lose.

If you want to go this route though, you'll find similar extreme W/L splits in two of his teammates - Trout and Ward.

[blackbears86]

Just imagine him on the yankees.


Damn, his numbers would be insane.

Hitting: batting left in that short porch in Yankee stadium
Pitching: getting all that run support from the Yankees lineup.


Yankees: make this happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!