Paul Skenes’ Debut Patch Auto has been pulled

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

I would call myself a hobby regular. Regular as in normal dude who has participated in The National twice, bought, submitted, sold, and collected fairly regularly since 2017 (a lot narrower since 2022), and has participated in Blowout Boards.

I have never heard of High End Breaks and know nothing about them.

I think the point I am trying to point to here is that unless you are involved regular breaks and/or are a breaker (I am talking to you Daddio), you wouldn't know this guy.

It casts more shadow, not less, at the end of the day, for me.

Agree.


Another bizarre twist to this story.

First, the odd journal entries, now the breaker.


Again, not a conspiracy guy, but this seems really off.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Silence is never an admission of guilt. Smoothbrains are the only ones who think it is.
The guilty sometimes stay silent, and the innocent sometimes stay silent. The silence is never an admission.

Hobbyists- “ hey topps, what happened to the 2018 wood minis?”

Topps - silence.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Yes, it’s possible the media is not reporting the entire story for a reason, possibly a million reasons.

Yes, selective reporting -- also not exclusive to press releases and marketing.

It's all about crafting a narrative -- they don't want inconvenient truths distracting from it.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Silence is never an admission of guilt. Smoothbrains are the only ones who think it is.
The guilty sometimes stay silent, and the innocent sometimes stay silent. The silence is never an admission.

Unless you are mute.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

How is it not original reporting when they are using their social media account to publish details that weren't previously reported? My mind is blown.



It can be both advertising and reporting. Just like news media can both be informational and entertainment. Just like opinion pieces can have facts. It doesn't have to just be one or the other.

You can't seriously not comprehend this, can you?

A company releasing information to the public about their business is a SOURCE for the media, not doing reporting.

When I issue a press release, I am not reporting. I'm giving information to people who will report on it.

[fabiani12333]

If the Skenes Debut Patch card was just one of many ways for the US elite to control the population, we wouldn't know about it. All we can do is question the official story.

We're on our own, folks.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm;19791267[B

]You're forgetting that the only people who hate breakers are the small segment of people who post here. Breakers, on a grander scale, are worshipped by the hobby community at large.[/B] That's why they have large social media followings and the breaker pavilion at the NSCC is packed, and the after-parties and pre-parties hosted by breakers are packed. Breakers even sign autographs and get asked by parents to take photos with their kids. If they aren't a breaker, they want to be one, and if they can't be one, they at least want to rub arms with them. A breaker pulling this for a customer, or a shop affiliated with breakers selling this box, would have been perfectly acceptable to the 99% who have embraced breaking. Topps didn't need to overthink that one.

For those who blame breaking for high prices, you would have to at least acknowledge that those prices are high because people have embraced breakers, spend money with them, and drive those prices up in the first place. Breaking is sexy to everyone who doesn't post here. Don't forget that. A breaker pulling this card would have been the least likely to get questioned, if it were all planned ahead of time, because most who were chasing this card were doing so through breakers in the first place.

I guess I've been living under a rock? I've never used a breaker and neither have my friends ( a small circle I admit)


Breaking is sexy? Really auctionjmm????

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

You can't seriously not comprehend this, can you?

A company releasing information to the public about their business is a SOURCE for the media, not doing reporting.

When I issue a press release, I am not reporting. I'm giving information to people who will report on it.

You're providing an example of a typical press release. But in this case, Topps gathered information from a third party and published it to the public. They relayed the age of the redeemer and the area of the country they live in. They published his journal entry.

That is original reporting, my friend, not unlike typical journalism.

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Hobbyists- “ hey topps, what happened to the 2018 wood minis?”

Topps - silence.

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2021 Bowman's Best numbering error RC/Prospect Card controversy

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2022 Chrome Extended Base Short Prints not getting packed out

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2022 Chrome Update product-wide horrific QC

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2022 Definitive Arozarena/Meadows forgeries

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2023 Topps Series 1 missing Hidden Gems

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2023 Bowman Chrome multiple 1/1 Superfractors getting packed out

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2023 Bowman Draft dfwcardshark backdooring dozens of Superfractors

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2023 Sterling Rubin/Antoine Griezmann pulling Jackie Robinson 1/1 and Mike Trout 1/1

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2021 Bowman's Best numbering error RC/Prospect Card controversy

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2022 Chrome Extended Base Short Prints not getting packed out

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2022 Chrome Update product-wide horrific QC

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2022 Definitive Arozarena/Meadows forgeries

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2023 Topps Series 1 missing Hidden Gems

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2023 Bowman Chrome multiple 1/1 Superfractors getting packed out

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2023 Bowman Draft dfwcardshark backdooring dozens of Superfractors

Hey Topps, what happened with the 2023 Sterling Rubin/Antoine Griezmann pulling Jackie Robinson 1/1 and Mike Trout 1/1

Hey topps, where was the box purchased that yielded the Skenes 1/1 rookie patch?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

the general media has no idea about cards. they'll believe what Fanatics tells them

There’s no Woodward & Bernstein of baseball cards unfortunately.

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

sure. im just saying it wont matter what they say, the toothpaste cant be placed back in the tube.

they are running with what they released

So you do agree that there’s nothing that can be said that would calm the Pitch Fork crowd at this moment? Do you feel like knowing where the box came from would change anything?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

There’s no Woodward & Bernstein of baseball cards unfortunately.



So you do agree that there’s nothing that can be said that would calm the Pitch Fork crowd at this moment? Do you feel like knowing where the box came from would change anything?

it should have been released all at once. saying it now after the fact, its just trying to save face. thats something Fanatics doesnt do.

i dont expect them to address any of it. they will next talk about the card when it is time to shill their auction

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I guess I've been living under a rock? I've never used a breaker and neither have my friends ( a small circle I admit)


Breaking is sexy? Really auctionjmm????

I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Every thread here that complains about high wax prices directly holds breakers responsible for these high prices. It is a huge part of the market. You have definitely been living under a rock if you don't know that breaking is incredibly popular and one of the big reasons that prices have gone bonkers.

[zworykin]

I feel like at this point if I were Topps/Fanatics, I wouldn't respond to any of this nonsense either. Especially given that, as we've even seen in this very thread, many people have already said that it doesn't matter how they respond, that would just be interpreted as more "evidence" of some sort of "wrongdoing." Talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by zworykin

I feel like at this point if I were Topps/Fanatics, I wouldn't respond to any of this nonsense either.

They should have taken that advice from the start.

[vinson24]

Could Topps have lied, of course it’s a possibility, they are a company and companies like people do shady things.

Could the story be true, yeah absolutely.

Do I care? No. If you choose to gamble on things with no regulation then you should expect to get screwed.

[ThoseBackPages]

yea, they should have not said anything. but in doing that, there wouldnt be any coverage

[Turborush]

Originally Posted by vinson24

Could Topps have lied, of course it’s a possibility, they are a company and companies like people do shady things.

Could the story be true, yeah absolutely.

Do I care? No. If you choose to gamble on things with no regulation then you should expect to get screwed.

Most don’t understand this simple concept.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Turborush

Most don’t understand this simple concept.

wax is the silent gambling addiction

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Still waiting on a shred of evidence to support your claim. I'm open to anything being the truth, I just insist on, you know, actual evidence, before staking my name and reputation on something. I have too much intelligence and integrity to just type "#thankstopps."

Still waiting on a shred of evidence that an 11-year-old wrote that journal entry.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Turborush

Most don’t understand this simple concept.

I think most do. This is akin to saying most people don’t understand fentanyl can kill you.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

who sold the box, who bought the box, photos of the card with people not involved with the grift. that would only help

None of that would prove that is wasn't a gift. If you want to go down the conspiracy path, Topps could easily get a breaker or LCS to play along.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by whitmm

None of that would prove that is wasn't a gift. If you want to go down the conspiracy path, Topps could easily get a breaker of LCS to play along.

yea, they should have done that.

[Cracktoast]

If they had stopped with " It was pulled by an 11 yr old kid " there would still have been tin foil hat brigade but it would have blown over once Series 1 released. But by throwing the assumed bogus journal pages with specific lines highlighted all they did was throw gas on the fire. Now every time Skeenes does something good people will bring this stupid thread to page 1.

Any backlash or criticism they get at this point is of their own doing.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yea, they should have not said anything. but in doing that, there wouldnt be any coverage

They should have done exactly what they did. You don't have to like it. I don't have to like it. But saying nothing about the Skenes being pulled would have been a bad business decision. While what they did, whether it causes skeptical people who fancy themselves hobby elites tobquestion them, has been nothing but a massive PR boost of free advertising. Like it or not, what they have done has been a roaring success from a business standpoint. And they don't care if you agree.

The people claiming they would have been better off saying nothing have zero business sense at all.