Gleyber Torres

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by dhofman

Thanks for the info! Helps zero in on how many there are, which helps explain why I could not find any other examples.

Is this an example of something I should get graded? Or leave it ungraded? I have never sent anything to be graded...

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Looks like the top left corner shows some white? If so, I'd skip grading it.

[pete2345]

US200 is a great pic im definitely a fan of that image. But like I said it isnt the image used for sapphire or 3d or the sp flagship in series 2.

[ThoseBackPages]

US200 is the home version of his ASG card from Update.

not EXACTLY the same image, but close enough to confuse folks

[Geoff G]

mail day bump!!


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[mrchipz]

Originally Posted by sigmachi

You forgot Sapphire!

I didnt forget it just didnt put it on my top 5 list for a few reasons.

#1 i hate vertical card designs and a lot of collectors do as well and i dont like the picture. with that being said its still in my top 10 its a great rare card.

#2 i just cant put it ahead of any of the us200 variations cause they are way to rare. id rather have a us200 independence day or black cause there are only 67 & 76 of them and they look beautiful. The black is a deep black card and the Independence day with the stars and stripes really pops to me and only 76 of them. I also feel that the sapphire has not grown organically and selling for more then it should and i feel it does not have much room to grow unlike the heritage chrome #/999 which can be had right now for like $40 raw and the heritage silver refractor #/569 which can be had for like $90 raw have much, much more room to grow. Way better picture and iconic card design.

Not saying i hate the sapphire at all, i own one as well as 1 of every card i put on my list and dozens of others.

But if we are talking about price increases what is more likely.

A heritage chrome refractor #/569 raw can be had for about $100 and a chrome base heritage #/999 raw can be had for like $40 while a raw sapphire is like $460.

If gleyber prices in the next month or 2 were to increase and go up 3x as much i can absolutely see the heritage chrome refractor being a $300 card raw and the heritage chrome #/999 being a $100 card.
I cant see the sapphire going up 3x as well and being a $1500 card.
when the heritage is a much nicer card and well centered and gem copies cause of the centering issues with them are very rare while sapphires have no issues with centering. Can you?

Thats why i said what is more likely a card serial # /569 that looks beautiful goes from $100 to $300 or a card that is a vertical design that many dont like the design or photo of the card go to $1500.
I cant see the sapphire being a $1500 card i can easily see the heritage being a $300 or more.

This is not just geared towards gleyber heritage chromes either. im talking acuna, soto as well. i just think the room for % increase is higher then sapphires cause they are nicer cards and finding a well centered one is tough. there are probably less well centered gems of heritage refractors then there are total of sapphires.

i mean a acuna heritage chrome refractor /569 gem mint sells for like $425 while a sapphire gem mint sells for like $3000.
there are 64 psa 10 sapphire acunas opposed to only 38 heritage chrome refractors on the psa pop report.
there are 59 sapphire bgs 9.5 on the bgs pop report opposed to 17 heritage bgs 9.5 chrome refractors on the bgs pop report.
also not many 9s either of heritage chromes meaning they are a tough card to grade and a well centered one is probably rarer then a sapphire card.

But like i said strictly talking about a percentage price increase i can see a gleyber heritage chrome /569 selling for $400 one day i cant see a sapphire following the same 400% increase and selling for $1900.
same to be said with acuna. if his prices just doubled for example i can see a heritage chrome psa 10 or bgs 9.5 selling for $800 but i cant see the sapphire following the same trend of a 200% price increase and selling for over $6000!!

Thats why i listed cards i thought were
1. beautiful design rookie cards and 2. have a lot of room to still go up as i feel they are undervalued. i just think the heritage chromes and colored refractors are very undervalued cards of anyone. i just think they have way more room to grow then the sapphire and look way better.

I also feel that the Heritage black chrome refractor #/69 is THE rookie card to have and hence the reason why i think gleyber is still a strong buy.

I also think collectors are starting to see that as well cause they have went up a lot in the past 60 days due to the play of acuna and gleyber but also the rarity and beautyness of the card.

The last acuna heritage black refractor #/69 to sell was a psa 10 then went for $3500 a few days ago and the cheapest one currently listed for sale is $6000.

The last gleyber heritage black refractor #/69 that sold was only a psa 9 that went for $800 and there are only like 2 or 3 for sale.
Seems like with heritage chrome a psa 10 will sell for 2.5x more then a psa 9 same for bgs 9.5

This is why i think gleyber allthough his prices have skyrocketed in the past 2 weeks is still a strong buy.
He is 22, and can be the face of the Yankees franchise for the next 12+ years.
He is having a very similar season to acuna minus stolen bases and is playing for the most popular team in baseball ever that has one of there best teams ever and can continue to make deep playoff runs for years baring injuries or free agency.

From an investment standpoint i would much rather have gleyber over acuna right now for the future.

Because for example that heritage black refractor i talked about i can see gleyber selling for $4000 if acuna can, pretty similar players right now allthough acuna is a bit better but gleyber is on the yankees i think it evens out and i think gleyber will only get better.

Many keep forgetting gleyber spent a majority of the season batting 5th-8th while acuna has been batting lead the entire season pretty much.
acuna has the 2nd most at bats in all of MLB at 564 while gleyber is 63rd in all of MLB with only 476 at bats.

I can all but guarantee you that if gleyber had those same extra 88 at bats he would have way more home runs and rbis then acuna right now, way more. And his prices would be much higher right now if he had 100+ rbis and 40+ hrs right now.

So i dont even know what i babbled on in this post for this long lol or if anyone even reads it or cares about what i said.

I think i basically not intentional covered why i think gleyber is the strong buy right now and why the cards i listed originally in my top 5 have the most room to grow.

All of this is only my opinion of me rationalizing why i felt those cards belonged in the top 5 and why i think gleyber is still a good buy.

Either way we are in rare times.
I cant remember the last time a rookie class had 3 generational young talents at the same time.
No matter what happens i am a huge fan of gleyber, acuna and soto and this 2018 class will go down as one of the best ever if these guys keep it up cause they are all still so young.
Good times for baseball and baseball cards.

[KB81]

I refuse to read all of that.

Anyone wanna share cliff notes?

lol

[WallySparks]

Originally Posted by KB81

I refuse to read all of that.

Anyone wanna share cliff notes?

lol

Gleyber Good - Invest Now

[KB81]

Originally Posted by WallySparks

Gleyber Good - Invest Now

Good man - tks

Have some low end incoming.
Update and Update Chrome mainly - cheap cheap stuff that can take off.

[SupermanBrandon]

Didn't make it thru #2 before I quit reading. Assuming it says Gleyber is good. Plays for the Yankees up the middle. Future star of the team. Buy now or you will FOMO later.

[dream34]

Yea, it's one hell of a read. In general, he says Gleyber has a lot of room to move up and is a great comparative investment to Acuna.

A bit confused on his points on not buying the Sapphire Gleyber. He says better to buy the Heritage Ref /569 at $100 instead of the Sapphire at $500. Then he compares it to Acuna where his Heritage /569 in gem is $425 (325% increase over Gleyber) and the Sapphire is $3000 (500% increase over Gleyber)

[Geoff G]

I believe he had vertical and horizontal mixed up ... Or I was having a stroke while reading .. but it was actually a very good post and he’s pretty spot on


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[KB81]

Heritage 2018 and 2019 of GT are a buy for sure.

[Geoff G]

Originally Posted by dream34

Yea, it's one hell of a read. In general, he says Gleyber has a lot of room to move up and is a great comparative investment to Acuna.



A bit confused on his points on not buying the Sapphire Gleyber. He says better to buy the Heritage Ref /569 at $100 instead of the Sapphire at $500. Then he compares it to Acuna where his Heritage /569 in gem is $425 (325% increase over Gleyber) and the Sapphire is $3000 (500% increase over Gleyber)

I understood the point about the sapphire .. he’s saying that it will probably level off soon .. ceiling is relatively low ..as opposed to chrome heritage that will probably quadruple or even go 10x what you would pay now albeit always being cheaper than the sapphire .. so theoretically you would get 10x your investment then just double or maybe triple on the sapphire .. I think lol ..


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[Asian62150]

Main difference in the Torres Sapphire vs. Acuna Sapphire is...

Acuna Sapphire is the only Chrome choice featuring the (potentially) iconic Bat Down image.

Torres Sapphire is not an iconic image (yet?). Haha.

Either way, the Acuna/Soto/Torres rookie class could be one for the ages.

[dream34]

Originally Posted by Geoff G

I understood the point about the sapphire .. he’s saying that it will probably level off soon .. ceiling is relatively low ..as opposed to chrome heritage that will probably quadruple or even go 10x what you would pay now albeit always being cheaper than the sapphire .. so theoretically you would get 10x your investment then just double or maybe triple on the sapphire .. I think lol ..


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Ahhh gotcha lol

I've posted much about the Sapphire Acuna in the other thread but in general:

Total Heritage Chromes:
/999 Base
/569 Ref
/69 Black
/1 Super

1638 Total (Not including Purples)

Total Sapphire Chromes:
/285 Blue
/10 Red
/1 Super

296 Total

If you think he's gonna be a great player long term, the Sapphire is a fascinating card. It's also (most importantly) the only full-sized parallel of his #699 card (Holiday & 3D technically would not count because of the back numbering). Gleyber image is not as nice as the Acuna Bat Down, but still it's his 1st Topps card.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by dream34

Ahhh gotcha lol

I've posted much about the Sapphire Acuna in the other thread but in general:

Total Heritage Chromes:
/999 Base
/569 Ref
/69 Black
/1 Super

1638 Total (Not including Purples)

Total Sapphire Chromes:
/285 Blue
/10 Red
/1 Super

296 Total

If you think he's gonna be a great player long term, the Sapphire is a fascinating card. It's also (most importantly) the only full-sized parallel of his #699 card (Holiday & 3D technically would not count because of the back numbering). Gleyber image is not as nice as the Acuna Bat Down, but still it's his 1st Topps card.

3D is the only one with no parallels

[dream34]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

3D is the only one with no parallels

Lol, 42 on the back though

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by dream34

Lol, 42 on the back though

nobody looks at the back

[dream34]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

nobody looks at the back

Lol. Like the 3Ds for sure, I'm with you TBP

[vetting82]

Epic Gleyber mailday for me

[wharfrat7624]

Originally Posted by vetting82

Epic Gleyber mailday for me

Wow how many US200’s in that bunch?


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[vetting82]

Originally Posted by wharfrat7624

Wow how many US200’s in that bunch?


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100 even US200s

[wharfrat7624]

Originally Posted by vetting82

100 even US200s

Damn - congrats man!


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[KhalDrogo]

The drought is over.

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BOOM #34