PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[superdan49]

Withdrawing for now. Might have been sold between period of Whitman111 ownership and eventual grading and trimming.

[HarryLime]

"Don't you guys get it? There was just no way for me to know we were selling trimmed cards. Look, they're still happening! I'm just a poor consignment owner, I don't have the ability to prevent these criminal masterminds from pulling one over on me. I'm innocent!"

Arthur

[mlbfan10]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

"Don't you guys get it? There was just no way for me to know we were selling trimmed cards. Look, they're still happening! I'm just a poor consignment owner, I don't have the ability to prevent these criminal masterminds from pulling one over on me. I'm innocent!"

Arthur

Got 'em!

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[HarryLime]

What I don't get it... how the effing eff does PSA not look that card up, see who submitted it, and then ban whoever it is? This isn't rocket science. Just keep banning people that have submitted these Moser cards. Seems really straight forward to me.

Arthur

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:42313857

1953 Parkhurst #67 Wally Hergesheimer PSA 7 to PSA 8
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: None

Sold on 1/18/2017 as a PSA 7 by eBay seller tsc*c to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $45.00
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 3/25/2019 as a PSA 8 for $86.00
Final price: $86.00
Value gain: $41.00


Here's another trimmed '53 Parkie from Gary Moser and sold first through PWCC. The right border has been moderately trimmed (boxed in green). Purple circles are print marks and paper fibers that confirm both sets of images are of the same exact card. This card is a reminder that many of the Moser cards are under $100, meaning collectors of virtually any budget level purchasing from PWCC were in danger of buying altered cards.

PSA 7: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/h...67/75172/PSA/7
PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1934596

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:41697364

1954 Parkhurst #91 Battle of All-Stars PSA 7 to PSA 8
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: I've clearly gone INSANE!

Sold on 7/8/2018 as a PSA 7 by eBay seller probstein123 to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $34.00
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 11/19/2018 as a PSA 8 for $146.50
Final price: $146.50
Value gain: $112.50


This '54 Parkie is trimmed on both its left and right edge (boxed in green). Pink circles are the print spots and flaws that confirm the two sets of images are indeed the same exact card. As a side note, I've never seen a more appropriate name for a Registry set.

PSA 7: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/h...91/75002/PSA/7
PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1859836

[dustin42]

Originally Posted by mlbfan10

Got 'em!

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They are in on it. What are they going to anger potential witnesses against them?

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:42313827

1955 Parkhurst Wrestling #48 Nanjo Singh PSA 6 to PSA 7
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: None

Sold on 10/31/2018 as a PSA 6 by eBay seller texasholdem to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $85.00
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 3/27/2019 as a PSA 7 for $151.00
Final price: $151.00
Value gain: $66.00


The left edge has been rightly trimmed, whereas the right edge has been significantly trimmed on this 1955 Parkhurst Wrestling card (boxed in red). The light blue circles on back are paper fibers and/or print marks confirming the two sets of images are of the same card.

PSA 6: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...8/413681/PSA/6
PSA 7: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1936429

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:42313833

1955 Parkhurst Wrestling #110 Tommy O'Toole PSA 6 to PSA 8
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: None

Sold on 5/1/2018 as a PSA 6 by eBay seller teddyball to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $24.50
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 3/27/2019 as a PSA 8 for $561.00
Final price: $561.00
Value gain: $536.50


Unfortunately, eBay seller teddyball did not take a photo of the reverse of this 1955 Parkhurst Wrestling Tommy O'Toole card in the PSA 6 holder he sold it in. However, this PSA 8 card is in the same PSA order as another '55 Parkie Wrestling card purchased from teddyball by Gary Moser before he altered it and had it graded by PSA. See Post #437 of this thread for that card. Fortunately, both teddyball (seller of the pre-altered PSA 6) and PWCC (seller of the altered PSA 8) included large images of the obverse of this card. In these images, you can see how Moser trimmed both the right and left edges, which are boxed in red.

On these large images, you will notice two distinct "scratch marks" in the print: One on O'Toole's right eyebrow and the other on his neck (they are marked in green). Neither of these two "scratch marks" (for lack of a better term) appear on any other examples of this card. Thus, I can say without reservation that these are the exact same card. The second image below is smaller and unmarked so viewers can see both cards side-by-side at once to see just how much smaller Moser cut these edges.

PSA 6: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...0/417461/PSA/6
PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1936434

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:42313909

1951 Topps Ringside #93 Marty Servo PSA 7 to PSA 8
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: In a user's private Registry set

Sold on 11/21/2017 as a PSA 7 by eBay seller uncommons to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $34.03
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 3/27/2019 as a PSA 8 for $145.50
Final price: $145.50
Value gain: $111.47


Both the left and right edges of this 1951 Topps Ringside card have been trimmed (boxed in red). The yellow circles are print marks and/or paper fibers which confirm that the two sets of images are of the same exact card.

PSA 7: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...3/101380/PSA/7
PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1936421

[Pink Pussycat]

Might be two new records set, for "Most Cardboard left on Cutting Room Floor".

It appears to be about a tie between the O'Toole and Servo cards. My God, how does PSA look past this? Could be their worst transgression yet (which is really saying something).

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Pink Pussycat

Might be two new records set, for "Most Cardboard left on Cutting Room Floor".

It appears to be about a tie between the O'Toole and Servo cards. My God, how does PSA look past this? Could be their worst transgression yet (which is really saying something).

LOL. Just wait.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by Pink Pussycat

Might be two new records set, for "Most Cardboard left on Cutting Room Floor".

It appears to be about a tie between the O'Toole and Servo cards. My God, how does PSA look past this? Could be their worst transgression yet (which is really saying something).

I'm going to be generous and guess the grader had little to no familiarity with either of those two sets. Ungraded they are low-value vintage commons, so there was no verification of either set's proper measurements prior to the actual grading.

[pip]

Originally Posted by superdan49

I'm going to be generous and guess the grader had little to no familiarity with either of those two sets. Ungraded they are low-value vintage commons, so there was no verification of either set's proper measurements prior to the actual grading.

1951 Ringside boxing are relatively common as far as vintage goes and the wrestling are the exact same size as the hockey. Only a complete fool would grade those.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

1951 Ringside boxing are relatively common as far as vintage goes and the wrestling are the exact same size as the hockey. Only a complete fool would grade those.

Or................
Or................

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Or................
Or................

Or an accomplice in a vast criminal conspiracy.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

LOL. Just wait.

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:25959142

1954 Parkhurst #68 Don Raleigh Lucky Premium Back PSA 6 to PSA 8
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: In a user's private Registry set

Sold on 5/5/2016 as a PSA 6 by eBay seller cooperstownsportscards to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $29.99
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 6/20/2017 as a PSA 8 for $293.00
Final price: $293.00
Value gain: $263.01


Both the left and right edges of this 1954 Parkhurst card have been trimmed, as outlined in green. Red circles on the reverse are of paper fibers and/or print marks which prove the two sets of images are indeed of the same card.

PSA 6: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/h...68/75021/PSA/6
PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1506314

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #28639446 - PSA-10 POP 1

1952 Bowman Stan Musial #196

Value gain of $25,300.03

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-9 on September 12, 2017 for $2,800.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1541047
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-10 for $28,100.03 on April 11, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1638349

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
The double red square identifies the removal of a print spot. The single red squares allude to probable color addition on front and back. I don't think those are glare spots from the case.

PWCC listing description from the PSA-10: "Difficult to put in words the magnitude of this offering. Newly seen high grade key vintage trading cards rarely surface on the open market; offered here is perhaps the most exciting new entry to the investment community we've witnessed directly in years. Not a rookie card, but perhaps Stan-the-Man's most attractive and sought after issue and rarely does the 1952 Bowman production surface in grades higher than NRMT. Absoluting (sic) incredible GEM MINT presenation (sic) from every angle on this card, having just survived present-day PSA which most believe to be the strictest grading standards in the world. Dead centered and glistening from every angle, this card is a freak of nature, far surpassing the quality of any other '52 Bowman we've handled in our history. Best suited for a museum."

*** I have included the image of the same card in the PSA holder prior to being cracked out and turned into a PSA-10. The image is from a Heritage Auctions listing here: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c.../a/714-81193.s

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04-12-2018, 10:02 PM

UFFDAH
Chris La,dd

Ultimately it doesn't matter to me what T205 GB thinks of this card or any other card. I'm not saying that as an attack just that it doesn't matter to me and I stay the course on what works successfully for me.

My confidence lies in PSA and PWCC who have earned my and many other collectors trust. I review most of my PWCC card targets including the Musial with Brent before I pull the trigger with a bid and have the utmost trust in his opinion. My best bump of a PWCC purchase is a 58' Jim Brown from an 8 to an 8.5 so my confidence and trust is VERY HIGH.

Anyways it will be a great card and a mini Mona Lisa. I love that its Musial, I love the image, the color, clarity, centering, edges, corners etc. The back is icing on the cake. It will be an appreciated card and feel fortunate to be able to buy it."
Ref: http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...0&postcount=83

07-31-2019, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by UFFDAH

I do sometimes/not all the times ask people I buy from their opinion on items, whether they like it as a quality item, if there is any provenance that is unique etc. BBCE, Heritage, etc. and PWCC in the past. I then formulate if I like it as ultimately it is my decision to bid or not. Sometimes people have said good things about an item and I just decide I don't like or want and totally pass and move on. No clue on how others deal with sellers, auction houses etc.

I just stick to my own trying to buy/collect graded cards and unopened that I like.

Right now I have scaled back buying graded and have been buying more unopened and having some fun in light of the #@#@#@#@ storm.

At the time I really liked the Musial, after all it was in a PSA 10 holder. In good faith I bought the card and it didn't work out and yeah it sucks.

The refunds I received from PWCC all went into BBCE unopened.

Would you all believe UFFDAH was back to buying from PWCC again, in October 2019, after being sold an altered card for $28,000?

Sale link (Ended: Oct 31, 2019 , 7:47PM):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Upper-.../352829789746?

Posting link:
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...mment_12495716

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

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Would you all believe UFFDAH was back to buying from PWCC again, in October 2019, after being sold an altered card for $28,000?

Sale link (Ended: Oct 31, 2019 , 7:47PM):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Upper-.../352829789746?

Posting link:
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...mment_12495716

Absolutely does not shock me based on his posts on Net54 but his inability to refrain is more the rule than the exception among most hobbyists. Actually embarrassed for the guy that he lacks the common sense to learn from his mistakes. Glutton for punishment, I guess.

If I were a federal agent hard at work trying to build a case I would be pissed to learn about this. If Jeff ever has to call witnesses on behalf of Brent, this guy might be the first.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Absolutely does not shock me based on his posts on Net54 but his inability to refrain is more the rule than the exception among most hobbyists. Actually embarrassed for the guy that he lacks the common sense to learn from his mistakes. Glutton for punishment, I guess.

If I were a federal agent hard at work trying to build a case I would be pissed to learn about this. If Jeff ever has to call witnesses on behalf of Brent, this guy might be the first.

Truly disappointing.
Right back to the snake pit.

[pspa123]

Cry, the beloved hobby.

[superdan49]

Wow Bruins, that is incredible. I was reading Net54 last night and saw this conversation. I wonder if they were also talking about UFFDAH?:

http://net54baseball.com/showpost.ph...2&postcount=72

There is one collector that got taken, and frankly embarrassed, on a few of the more high profile outed cards. He continues to acquirer, and post on forums high end graded cards. A few of the modern ones he buys are known to be targets of trimmers and look ridiculously short. I also suspect he is still buying from PWCC, where two of the more high profile cards came from, and the dealer was part of the deception.

I think for a lot of these high end collectors it’s about having and showing off the “best” stuff. Such a strange hobby.

I don't know if it is the same person but I have seen one buyer(sucker/mark/moron) that has done the same. Not only did they let the scammers line up and sell him expensive altered cards. He still sticks up for the shady sellers. Like they say it takes all kinds.

[pspa123]

The first post is almost certainly about UFFDAH. The second one is not.

As one of my favorite posters says, stuff trumps all.

[tconte]

Maybe the guy bought the card from the person who bought it off PWCC....

I know if it was me, I would research as best I could the history of the slab but not
everyone can or wants to do that.

I'm just trying to stay hopeful that most collectors aren't risking getting taken a second time.