2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

From an individual state's perspective, it makes sense to go winner-take-all. Think California...right now their electoral votes are a huge force in the election. Split em up and that goes away. They retain more influence as a state by going winner-take-all.

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True. Starting small and/or starting with swing states would be more likely.

Georgians aren't happy with 2020's 16 EVs going to Biden? Split it for 2024.

[Bob Ross]

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

True. Starting small and/or starting with swing states would be more likely.

Georgians aren't happy with 2020's 16 EVs going to Biden? Split it for 2024.

Fun fact: Romney wins in 2012 if electoral votes are split like ME/NE

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Going from having one of the most corrupt persons to have ever lived to having a good and decent man of honor who has already given a lifetime of public service sitting in the White House?



Yes, yes it is.

That's one way to look at it.

I agree, it's a step up. Steps up are good. But is having Joe Biden as president good on its own merit?

We went from having one of the most corrupt persons to have ever lived to having a mostly good but barely breathing shell of a formerly underwhelming democrat who can barely string together a coherent sentence...and chose Kamala as his VP.

That's another way to look at it.

Call it good, okay...but it's certainly not ideal.

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[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by jdandns

This is the simplest, purest confirmation there could ever be that Trump lost this election by A LOT!

73 more days of Trump's total corruption (which includes his cheating at golf at our expense at one of his bedbug-ridden, failing clubs like today), pathetic blubbering, and generally embarrassing America. Hey, we made it this far!

Man don't remind me, that is a heck of alot of days left and he can do alot of damage. Hopefully he continues with his baseless litigation for weeks and that distracts him for awhile.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by discostu

You are far better at numbers, than posts like this.

Numbers can distinguish the truth from outright lies and can't be grotesquely warped by self-serving biases. NC, not so much.

Originally Posted by irv

I thought I'd save you the trouble. There are more, but this should suffice?

Did you ever get around to apologizing for posting that obviously fake, clearly doctored video of Biden in Michigan you posted as authentic and then banning yourself for doing it?

Time to get to it, eh?

[Lonewolf]

Trump will spend the next two months litigating frivolous and meritless claims only to be shut down again and again. His twitter tantrums will be incessant. Then he will pardon all his criminal cronies, and slink away before his creditors can find him.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Fun fact: Romney wins in 2012 if electoral votes are split like ME/NE

And that's fine, but what is the data source for this?

Someone tallied all the EVs from national election results for each congressional district in 2012? Please share link if you have it. I'm interested.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Trump will spend the next two months litigating frivolous and meritless claims only to be shut down again and again. His twitter tantrums will be incessant. Then he will pardon all his criminal cronies, and slink away before his creditors can find him.

He’ll also have to give Melania half his debt in his upcoming divorce

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

And that's fine, but what is the data source for this?

Someone tallied all the EVs from national election results for each congressional district in 2012? Please share link if you have it. I'm interested.

https://electoralvotemap.com/what-if...ection_of_2012

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[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Going from having one of the most corrupt persons to have ever lived to having a good and decent man of honor who has already given a lifetime of public service sitting in the White House?

Yes, yes it is.

Biden a decent man of honor? Come on...

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Trump will spend the next two months litigating frivolous and meritless claims only to be shut down again and again. His twitter tantrums will be incessant. Then he will pardon all his criminal cronies, and slink away before his creditors can find him.

That works for me.

It's not ideal, but I'll take it.

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[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

That's one way to look at it.

I agree, it's a step up. Steps up are good. But is having Joe Biden as president good on its own merit?

We went from having one of the most corrupt persons to have ever lived to having a mostly good but barely breathing shell of a formerly underwhelming democrat who can barely string together a coherent sentence...and chose Kamala as his VP.

That's another way to look at it.

Call it good, okay...but it's certainly not ideal.

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I had some reservations about Biden during the primaries given his age and of course concern if his health will hold up or not. However I also felt this was an election where he was probably the proper candidate to get Trump out of office. There were some other candidates that I personally would have preferred but this wasn't a situation where you wanted to ruffle feathers. I would have voted for the right democratic candidate regardless of their race, gender, sexual orientation, etc but that is not to say most of the country would have once that candidate won the nomination. The younger democratic candidates wised up and dropped out even though many would have had a shot at the nomination. They will have another day 4 years from now to try. Biden had the most experience and the most broad appeal given he is a moderate democrat.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

He’ll also have to give Melania half his debt in his upcoming divorce

lol you almost got me. As soon as I saw the post I was about to say 'what money?' and then I'm like ohhhhhhh

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

https://electoralvotemap.com/what-if...ection_of_2012

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Thanks for this insight.

It'd be interesting to see how election campaigns would shift with the adoption of this or a similar model.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm kind of surprised how much attention Fox and Q get from some of you here.
That was mild sarcasm.

You do understand that Republicans just elected a "Q" candidate to the House, that QAnon-devotees are an enormous chunk of the Republican base that voted along with you for Trump, and that Trump's current inane legal theories to invalidate the results of this election literally germinated in their discussion boards?

No?
ok.

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Time for the Dems to be better. He’s out. Let’s change focus on being better and healing the country. Don’t get caught talking about Trump like the GOP still harps on Clinton. They are in the past.

Unlike Hillary, Trump did actual stuff one should be jailed for.
Bouncing this failed fascist is only step one.
Standby for justice.

Originally Posted by packman80

If the Dems try to proscute him how petty and nasty they are. That would be the first strike against them losing in a wave in the mid-terms in 2022 because instead of showing they are willing to move on and heal the country they want to be petty nasty idiots.

They never thought he'd lose...

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Well given the situation, that's hard to argue against.

I'd go with the "or something" part, personally. It's hard to rule out the other two though.

Times were very different back when Jordan was at OSU. It's not hard at all to imagine that back then something like this with little actual evidence would've been swept under the rug. It was almost standard practice back then, especially if the victims were men.

That does not make any of it okay though. Times have changed and we don't accept that crap anymore. Any faculty member that knew about any of this and swept it under the rug needs to be held to account, not elected to Congress.

There is something seriously wrong with how this went down. Shame on Ohio voters.

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I have no answer for this there was a lot of parts to the whole story and it only comes up at convenient times to bash Jordan. I guess you are saying shame on a lot of very good people for voting for Jordan and thats sad

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

I had some reservations about Biden during the primaries given his age and of course concern if his health will hold up or not. However I also felt this was an election where he was probably the proper candidate to get Trump out of office. There were some other candidates that I personally would have preferred but this wasn't a situation where you wanted to ruffle feathers. I would have voted for the right democratic candidate regardless of their race, gender, sexual orientation, etc but that is not to say most of the country would have once that candidate won the nomination. The younger democratic candidates wised up and dropped out even though many would have had a shot at the nomination. They will have another day 4 years from now to try. Biden had the most experience and the most broad appeal given he is a moderate democrat.

I agree with the sentiment here. I thought Biden was the best choice among the primary candidates also, for the sole purpose of ousting Trump.

Had this been a different year, I would've thought he was a horrible choice by the Dems. But he was the best person for that one specific task, and he did it.

So, here we are. NotTrump is our president-elect.

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[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Biden a decent man of honor? Come on...

President Biden, bud.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by packman80

Maybe Trump can give one giant finger then to all the people saying he committed crimes. He resigns on Jan. 19th Pence then takes office and gives Trump a blank pardon on all the so called crimes the dems want to charge him with.

Trump can (and will) pardon himself for the Federal crimes he committed.
No one will pardon him for the charges the Southern District of New York can and should bring.

Hey, maybe Brett Favre can testify for Trump as a character witness and send along a couple of quick "selfies" to the jury while he's at it!

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I pointed this out earlier but the narrative of the campaign was Trump putting Hillary in prison.

Once he won, that was abandoned. It's just yackity yack to rile up a group of voters; to actually follow-through would be very bad for the party in power. You've defeated Trump; to prosecute him keeps him in the news as a victim and that's not a W.

Both Trump campaigns were the exactly same, bizarrely, which is part of why he lost the popular vote even worse this time.
That "lock her up" nonsense was never abandoned, and if Trump had anything more on Clinton than the blank post-it notes his legal team is trying to use to save Don's bacon now, Hillary would be in jail as we speak.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

I have no answer for this there was a lot of parts to the whole story and it only comes up at convenient times to bash Jordan. I guess you are saying shame on a lot of very good people for voting for Jordan and thats sad

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Pretty much exactly.

Those that voted for Jordan may indeed be good people. They probably are, actually. But even good people occasionally do shameful things and in my opinion, electing Jordan to Congress was shameful.

The testimony of several different unconnected people about Jordan's awareness of sexual abuse allegations by the team doctor (not Jordan) is strong enough in my opinion to conclude he likely did know it was an issue that could be bad for OSU if it ever came out. He chose, after being informed several times about the abuse allegations, to look the other way. I suspect this was in large part because the victims were men and in that time period, men weren't seen the same way as boys or girls were.

I think there is sufficient evidence/testimony to conclude he did know accusations were being made against the doctor. Whether the doctor actually committed these offenses is irrelevant, though it seems likely he did and that may be why he killed himself later. Either way, Jordan swept it under the rug.

That is simply unacceptable. I 100% feel that it is shameful for the people of Ohio to not only fail to hold him accountable, but to actually elect him to Congress.

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[oldgoldy97]

Trump was the first presidential candidate to lose the popular vote twice.

[oldgoldy97]

Is this considered a landslide victory? Hard to believe if it is seeing as how there were so many more Trump signs in yards.

You know, the truest way to tell who’s going to win.

[RedSoxFan28]

Does Biden now actually cancel student loan debt? I don't think he does. I'd be shocked.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Does Biden now actually cancel student loan debt? I don't think he does. I'd be shocked.

Can he?

I'm not entirely sure if he can or not. Who owns the debt? Is it the executive branch...DOE or Treasury?

Would he need the Senate or can he do it EO?

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