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[hofcollector2]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Thoughts from one of the bigger Simmons fans/collectors here:

Is he passive? Sometimes.
In game 1 he definitely was. Much of this offense runs through Embiid, for better or for worse. Then you have Butler, Harris and Redick who all score.

Simmons shouldn't be a ball hog and shoot 30 times a game they way a guy like Donovan Mitchell does, simply because he has more weapons around him. But there are times when he does need to shoot more than the 12 times a game he averages for his career, mostly when the other guys aren't getting it done.

And that's exactly what he did in games 2 and 3, which he did dominate. Game 4 was kind of a betweener, where he started off passive and then picked it up in the second half (after Butler got kicked out). He even took a shot to try to go ahead in the final minute; nothing passive about that.

It almost reminds me of LeBron's first season in Miami, where there was question about who was running the offense, Wade or LeBron. It cost them the NBA Finals. The next season was when LeBron acknowledged that it was his team and took it to Boston in Game 6 of the ECF. After that, the rest of the guys followed.

Simmons will have to get to the point eventually, when his skill set allows him to. Right now, Embiid is the most effective offensive player on the court for Philly. But I don't think Philly can build a dynasty of the back of Embiid, simply for the fact that I don't think Embiid will ever a guy you can count on to play over 3 quarters of the season.

Will he? That's yet to be determined. But games 2 and 3, along with his last minute of game 4 at least shows that he's willing to take on more of the burden when it counts.

He's far from perfect, but I can't think of that many 22 year olds that have the same post season resume that he's built, even if it isn't that impressive yet.

Well said and I want to add that Simmons has shown aggression a hand full of times or more this year. Last year as a rook he did the same (remember head to head against lebron and last 15 games when embid was out) . He can be aggressive when he wants to, he just needs to do it more.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

He dominated that last game? No. Embiid did. Simmons did his thing, but Embiid took over and won them that game.. So why is everyone hyping up Simmons?

Everyone was quick to pile on Simmons after his poor showing in game 1, including me. He's since had a pair of very solid games and one game where he was completely dominant. I said "sorry, I was wrong" after game 2. The majority of the others have yet to come back and say sorry, so the Simmons "hype" is more of a "where are you now?" from the Philly/Simmons supporters. It's just that he's been playing very well since game 2, so that original discourse from this thread and the Playoff thread has been buried.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Everyone was quick to pile on Simmons after his poor showing in game 1, including me. He's since had a pair of very solid games and one game where he was completely dominant. I said "sorry, I was wrong" after game 2. The majority of the others have yet to come back and say sorry, so the Simmons "hype" is more of a "where are you now?" from the Philly/Simmons supporters. It's just that he's been playing very well since game 2, so that original discourse from this thread and the Playoff thread has been buried.

Ah. Gotcha. I don’t think anyone doubts his skill set, but to be that naturally gifted and not build upon it would be a damn shame. Sometimes he comes off like he doesn’t care to improve because he’s already great and he knows it. That rubs people the wrong way because that was all gifted to him — it’s his innate abilities. I’d love to see an improvement in his weaknesses through hard work. I think we all would.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

Ah. Gotcha. I don’t think anyone doubts his skill set, but to be that naturally gifted and not build upon it would be a damn shame. Sometimes he comes off like he doesn’t care to improve because he’s already great and he knows it. That rubs people the wrong way because that was all gifted to him — it’s his innate abilities. I’d love to see an improvement in his weaknesses through hard work. I think we all would.

Where does this garbage come.from? He doesn't care? Seriously. He seems like he cares a lot. Hell.Tim Duncan played 20 years and never looked like he "cared"

Simmons wants to win. That's clear. He's improved in a bunch of areas actually. Starting with free throws and shooting more outside of the paint. When Embiid is out, he steps up. He's a tremendous 2nd year player. He didn't get gifted his talent to be an elite passer at the NBA level. The dude made that a part of his game.

Go and watch him warm up, he's always shooting. Dude is shooting 65% from the field this series. What more do you want?

Simmons knows Embiid is elite offensively so he uses him when he's available.

At the end of the day, people like you will always make up something else.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Where does this garbage come.from? He doesn't care? Seriously. He seems like he cares a lot. Hell.Tim Duncan played 20 years and never looked like he "cared"

Simmons wants to win. That's clear. He's improved in a bunch of areas actually. Starting with free throws and shooting more outside of the paint. When Embiid is out, he steps up. He's a tremendous 2nd year player. He didn't get gifted his talent to be an elite passer at the NBA level. The dude made that a part of his game.

Go and watch him warm up, he's always shooting. Dude is shooting 65% from the field this series. What more do you want?

Simmons knows Embiid is elite offensively so he uses him when he's available.

At the end of the day, people like you will always make up something else.

No.. At the end of the day it's bias people like you and pump and dump guys that ruin the real discussion and these forums in general. Any time it's an opinion that doesn't agree with yours or fit your agenda it's "garbage".

Your opinion lost any validity with a few things.

Go watch him warm up... I am local and have been to a bunch of Sixers game live. I watch him warm up in person. You know, before the game... the stuff they don't show on t.v. Where are you from again?

He made himself an elite passer at the NBA level... He wasn't a gifted passer with handle and size and court vision before he entered the NBA? I know you've been following him since before the NBA, so not sure what "garbage" you're spewing here.

Playing on words so his layups and dunks are considered "SHOOTING from the field" doesn't change the fact he hasn't improved his jumper. I don't get why openly saying he could improve on that area deserves such backlash.

Then again, it's you drob... We all know how you get with your biases. Only a matter of time before we get another grace period

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

No.. At the end of the day it's bias people like you and pump and dump guys that ruin the real discussion and these forums in general. Any time it's an opinion that doesn't agree with yours or fit your agenda it's "garbage".

Your opinion lost any validity with a few things.

Go watch him warm up... I am local and have been to a bunch of Sixers game live. I watch him warm up in person. You know, before the game... the stuff they don't show on t.v. Where are you from again?

He made himself an elite passer at the NBA level... He wasn't a gifted passer with handle and size and court vision before he entered the NBA? I know you've been following him since before the NBA, so not sure what "garbage" you're spewing here.

Playing on words so his layups and dunks are considered "SHOOTING from the field" doesn't change the fact he hasn't improved his jumper. I don't get why openly saying he could improve on that area deserves such backlash.

Then again, it's you drob... We all know how you get with your biases. Only a matter of time before we get another grace period

Pffft. The dude has been shooting a buttload more in practice and warm ups. Yet the whiners like you harp on that he just sits at home and not putting in work. The dude was scrimmaging with LeBron in the offseason for effs sake.
You're the one saying there's been no improvement. Which is just a moronic statement. Sorry but the aim of the game is to put the ball in the hole, it doesn't matter from how many feet away. And yet seeing as Simmons struggles from outside 8 feet he should be easy to guard amirite?

I have zero cards of Simmons. I only comment back on plebs like yourself that try to belittle the guy with the same boring comments.

Sorry Simmons is in the Playoffs and your boy LeBron isn't man. Maybe next season huh.

Bye.

[Donkaylove]

simmons is playing fine--(stay more aggressive). He cant shoot, but nobody can guard him on the nets anyway. Dudley tried to bump him , but he is also too slow to be on the court in the first place.

Butler is a head case and cannot stay on course, but your fiercest competitor. Your best consistent bet is actually tobias/embiid high roll and make decision on the switch. Reddick can roam to the open areas. Simmons has to learn to play off the ball and play a team game.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Pffft. The dude has been shooting a buttload more in practice and warm ups. Yet the whiners like you harp on that he just sits at home and not putting in work. The dude was scrimmaging with LeBron in the offseason for effs sake.
You're the one saying there's been no improvement. Which is just a moronic statement. Sorry but the aim of the game is to put the ball in the hole, it doesn't matter from how many feet away. And yet seeing as Simmons struggles from outside 8 feet he should be easy to guard amirite?

I have zero cards of Simmons. I only comment back on plebs like yourself that try to belittle the guy with the same boring comments.

Sorry Simmons is in the Playoffs and your boy LeBron isn't man. Maybe next season huh.

Bye.

Whiners? You need a dictionary? lol. Maybe I want him to develop a jumper because I know how dominant he can be? You don't know who or even what team I like. Because I say he needs a jumper doesn't mean I am not a fan of his, does it? But all you do is assume.. As is seen by the LeBron comment... What are you even talking about? haha

Oh, also look up the word belittle... lol

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

Whiners? You need a dictionary? lol. Maybe I want him to develop a jumper because I know how dominant he can be? You don't know who or even what team I like. Because I say he needs a jumper doesn't mean I am not a fan of his, does it? But all you do is assume.. As is seen by the LeBron comment... What are you even talking about? haha

Oh, also look up the word belittle... lol

Ah, you might need the dictionary champ. Look up the word whiners while you're there. Should be a picture of you.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Donkaylove

simmons is playing fine--(stay more aggressive). He cant shoot, but nobody can guard him on the nets anyway. Dudley tried to bump him , but he is also too slow to be on the court in the first place.

Butler is a head case and cannot stay on course, but your fiercest competitor. Your best consistent bet is actually tobias/embiid high roll and make decision on the switch. Reddick can roam to the open areas. Simmons has to learn to play off the ball and play a team game.

All good points.

I'm amazed how average Butler has been. We know he's a big game player and his numbers would drop a little coming in, but his numbers fall off a cliff most nights. This is a guy that was a top 10 player last season until he got injured.

[oshmeehan]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Pffft. The dude has been shooting a buttload more in practice and warm ups. Yet the whiners like you harp on that he just sits at home and not putting in work. The dude was scrimmaging with LeBron in the offseason for effs sake.
You're the one saying there's been no improvement. Which is just a moronic statement. Sorry but the aim of the game is to put the ball in the hole, it doesn't matter from how many feet away. And yet seeing as Simmons struggles from outside 8 feet he should be easy to guard amirite?

I have zero cards of Simmons. I only comment back on plebs like yourself that try to belittle the guy with the same boring comments.

Sorry Simmons is in the Playoffs and your boy LeBron isn't man. Maybe next season huh.

Bye.

What has he really improved upon from last year to this year shooting wise? 56% to 60% free throws. Both not good at all. From 8 feet and out he has gone from 33.6% to 33.8%, while taking only about half the total shots from 8 feet and out as last year. I guess he has improved upon not taking as many shots he knows he usually doesn't make? If we want to be technical, yes he improved by the slimest of margins in those areas. But we aren't talking about going from 56% to 75% and even a respectable percentage outside of 8 feet.

[oshmeehan]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Ah, you might need the dictionary champ. Look up the word whiners while you're there. Should be a picture of you.

You might need a different "insult" that wasn't used by gradeschoolers in the 1990's.

[oshmeehan]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

All good points.

I'm amazed how average Butler has been. We know he's a big game player and his numbers would drop a little coming in, but his numbers fall off a cliff most nights. This is a guy that was a top 10 player last season until he got injured.

A lot of it is because Simmons and Embiid are pretty ball dominant and Butler isn't a spot up shooter. He needs the ball in his hands.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by oshmeehan

You might need a different "insult" that wasn't used by gradeschoolers in the 1990's.

1990’s? That insult is older than dirt. This guy

[drobfan8]

Ah cute, the insecure Bucks fan is in here also.

Bluextreme did you end up finding out the whiners is a real word? Ha ha. What a fool.

Anyhoo.

I'll let my crazy bias self get back to watching the game. Would love to see all my bias comments.

[oshmeehan]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Ah cute, the insecure Bucks fan is in here also.

Bluextreme did you end up finding out the whiners is a real word? Ha ha. What a fool.

Anyhoo.

I'll let my crazy bias self get back to watching the game. Would love to see all my bias comments.

I am assuming you are referring to me, at least the Bucks fan part of it. Don't know about the insecure part though?

At any rate, I have been in this thread. Don't you remember? So please address my post regarding Simmons' improvement.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by oshmeehan

I am assuming you are referring to me, at least the Bucks fan part of it. Don't know about the insecure part though?

At any rate, I have been in this thread. Don't you remember? So please address my post regarding Simmons' improvement.

Well it's actually you guys that are saying he hasn't improved. So I don't need to address it.

But he did become an All Star this season. He's improved marginally on some stats. I'm sure he could have improved more on counting stats but they did add Butler and T. Harris who also need the ball.

Either way, I don't really care. That's the beauty about just enjoying the way someone plays and the League as a whole. I don't need to be biased because I'm not holding cards or betting on a guy to be something..

I still remember the other members saying he would be Odom at best, Mike Beasley, a tall Rondo.

The goal posts continue to shift for him. It's funny to watch. People come up with garbage like he doesn't care! Ha ha. Like they would know.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Well it's actually you guys that are saying he hasn't improved. So I don't need to address it.

But he did become an All Star this season. He's improved marginally on some stats. I'm sure he could have improved more on counting stats but they did add Butler and T. Harris who also need the ball.

Either way, I don't really care. That's the beauty about just enjoying the way someone plays and the League as a whole. I don't need to be biased because I'm not holding cards or betting on a guy to be something..

I still remember the other members saying he would be Odom at best, Mike Beasley, a tall Rondo.

The goal posts continue to shift for him. It's funny to watch. People come up with garbage like he doesn't care! Ha ha. Like they would know.

I never said whiner wasn't a word? I was pointing out you used it in the wrong context.

"Anyhooo"

I think this is where there is a disconnect. All I implied was I hope he develops a jumper so he can become the best version of himself.. Then you somehow group me with the people who made those ridiculous comments about him.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

All good points.

I'm amazed how average Butler has been. We know he's a big game player and his numbers would drop a little coming in, but his numbers fall off a cliff most nights. This is a guy that was a top 10 player last season until he got injured.

last year ORtg 122 DRtg 110
this year ORtg 120 DRtg 109 [lower is better on d]

Giannis is only 121 in ORtg this year and he's winning MVP.

I think Jimmy has played amazing this series. Did you want him taking more shots in Game 3 when Tobias and JJ couldn't miss?

He's averaging more pts and assists, blocks, steals than in last year's playoffs. He's avg 13 shots per game this playoffs which would be higher if he wasn't tossed, of course. How many shots do you want him taking away from the other starters? He shouldn't be shooting 17x a game if Embiid's playing.

Oh yeah, playoffs Jimmy 2019
ORtg 131, DRtg 111.

His +/- the first 3 games was +56!

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I still remember the other members saying he would be Odom at best, Mike Beasley, a tall Rondo.

The goal posts continue to shift for him. It's funny to watch. People come up with garbage like he doesn't care! Ha ha. Like they would know.

The goal posts move every month as he improves.

Last year: Trade him for Rondo!

Begin of this year: Trade him for Teague!

People were seriously saying these things, lmao.

Recently: Trade him for Jamal Murray!


I feel like these losers/whiners posting have no idea how to play basketball well, what separates All-Stars from the rest of the NBA, and only count points when they're assessing young players, as Ben always has more rebounds, assists, blocks than every other guard they [opposing fans] say we should trade Ben for. And Ben is light years better than those 3 combined on defense and court vision. Teague is 30, not 22 for cryin' out loud.

Just put the trolls on ignore. When Ben gets voted 3rd team All-NBA they'll still say 'But, but....he's not Steph Curry!'

[yiguiri2002]

I don't see any problem with the Sixers. They won 2 blowouts and split 2 close games. They are outscoring the Nets (the definition of an average team) by 10 points a game. Their Big 4 are all playing well. What's the big deal?

They are playing pretty close to what was expected, maybe even overachieving a bit. The only guy they might need to worry about is Redick but that's it.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

The goal posts move every month as he improves.

Last year: Trade him for Rondo!

Begin of this year: Trade him for Teague!

People were seriously saying these things, lmao.

Recently: Trade him for Jamal Murray!


I feel like these losers/whiners posting have no idea how to play basketball well, what separates All-Stars from the rest of the NBA, and only count points when they're assessing young players, as Ben always has more rebounds, assists, blocks than every other guard they [opposing fans] say we should trade Ben for. And Ben is light years better than those 3 combined on defense and court vision. Teague is 30, not 22 for cryin' out loud.

Just put the trolls on ignore. When Ben gets voted 3rd team All-NBA they'll still say 'But, but....he's not Steph Curry!'

Another guy with this whining stuff. Do you guys know what that word means?

I’m not with the class that said those things, so I’m not sure if you’re calling me a “whiner” or a “loser”.

I don’t see anyone moving any posts. Him not having a jumper has always been the knock on him. Where exactly did it move? It’s exactly the same.

I would like to see him work on his jumper so he can be the best version of himself... You don’t want to see Simmons get a jumper and become an even more complete player? Maybe even the most complete player ever? Isn’t that the goal?

[The Accountant]

Safe to say... Brett Brown's job is safe

for all the hate he's gotten. it's the philly treatment. i.e. doug pederson

Gabe Kapler still on the hot seat

[hofcollector2]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Safe to say... Brett Brown's job is safe

for all the hate he's gotten. it's the philly treatment. i.e. doug pederson

Gabe Kapler still on the hot seat

They have to get out of this series first, then I'll agree with ya.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by hofcollector2

They have to get out of this series first, then I'll agree with ya.

He’s already shown his edge, ability to make adjustment, and the players really seem to like him. I think it’s a lock.