2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 216

Brobocop · 03-11-2020, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Why would he drop out?

What avenues does he have to win? Honestly, at this point, it would be wrong for him to continue collecting contributions from people.

rman112 · 03-11-2020, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Because he has been taking beatings and knows he will not be the nominee. Look at the numbers from yesterday. Where he beat Hillary in places he wasn’t supposed to in 2016, he took a beating yesterday in those same areas. At this point, why hold down the party?

So you want him to help the party, after they openly f*ck him over.. for not being "with the party"?

discostu · 03-11-2020, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

My prediction of potential Biden VPs (imho)
1. Kamala (probably better as AG)
2. Amy (safe, uncontroversial pick)
3. Warren (get that progressive-light voters on board)

I think the importance of a VP in this particular election is very, very important. You know Trump will start yapping about Joe’s health (even though Trump himself is obese and has signs of mental decline and overall illness).

My gut says it's going to be someone from Georgia...Yates or Abrams.

rman112 · 03-11-2020, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

What avenues does he have to win? Honestly, at this point, it would be wrong for him to continue collecting contributions from people.

I think his chances are slim now. But it would be cowardly to lay down and die.

pac213up · 03-11-2020, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

His calling card will be minorities? Do they not already overwhelmingly vote Democratic? And didn't they vote in Clinton's favor?

Yes they vote overwhelmingly for Dems and did so for Clinton BUT the she did not bring enough out to vote. The turnout compared to Obama was significant. That is the challenge for the Dems.

TheHeel · 03-11-2020, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

I mean, anything's possible. But he doesn't seem like the quitting type. He knew they railed against him in 2016, and he went right back at it. And this is his last chance. Doesn't make sense to me.

Anything is possible but this scenario is really, really unlikely for a comeback.

rman112 · 03-11-2020, 11:47 AM

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Anything is possible but this scenario is really, really unlikely for a comeback.

I'm not saying he'll win. But he's 78. This is it.

Soxfanguy · 03-11-2020, 11:48 AM

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders will deliver a “campaign update” at 1 p.m. from Burlington, his home town.

The address will be carried live on his YouTube channel: https://live.berniesanders.com/.

Is he dropping out?

Brobocop · 03-11-2020, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

I think his chances are slim now. But it would be cowardly to lay down and die.

Admitting defeat is now cowardly? He has no chance to win. The people he needed to come out and vote didn't. I think it would be even worse to continue asking for campaign contributions at this point.

TheHeel · 03-11-2020, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

So you want him to help the party, after they openly f*ck him over.. for not being "with the party"?

It’s not my call for him to help the party.
It’s about the greater good; getting rid of Trump.

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Originally Posted by discostu

My gut says it's going to be someone from Georgia...Yates or Abrams.

Ah, yes. Good thoughts.

rman112 · 03-11-2020, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pac213up

Yes they vote overwhelmingly for Dems and did so for Clinton BUT the she did not bring enough out to vote. The turnout compared to Obama was significant. That is the challenge for the Dems.

Of course the turnout was significant compared to Obama. He's black. Seriously? Biden hasn't even gotten hit with the "Poor kids are just as bright as white kids" yet.

rcmb3220 · 03-11-2020, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

His calling card will be minorities? Do they not already overwhelmingly vote Democratic? And didn't they vote in Clinton's favor?

I think his point is that a lot of them stayed home in 2016 and that Clinton got a smaller percentage than Obama. Don't worry, Trump will win. Not sure why you flip out whenever you think someone suggests he won't.

rman112 · 03-11-2020, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

Admitting defeat is now cowardly? He has no chance to win. The people he needed to come out and vote didn't. I think it would be even worse to continue asking for campaign contributions at this point.

Hell yeah. His own party doesn't like him one bit. Falling on the sword would absolutely be cowardly.

TheHeel · 03-11-2020, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

I think his chances are slim now. But it would be cowardly to lay down and die.

The total opposite imho

rman112 · 03-11-2020, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I think his point is that a lot of them stayed home in 2016 and that Clinton got a smaller percentage than Obama. Don't worry, Trump will win. Not sure why you flip out whenever you think someone suggests he won't.

It's the rationale that makes no sense. Of course Clinton got less than Obama. She's an old white lady. And Biden's an old white guy.

Soxfanguy · 03-11-2020, 11:52 AM

It basically looks over for Sanders

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...n-and-sanders/

rman112 · 03-11-2020, 11:52 AM

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The total opposite imho

What does Sanders owe the Democrats?

TheHeel · 03-11-2020, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

It's the rationale that makes no sense. Of course Clinton got less than Obama. She's an old white lady. And Biden's an old white guy.

Imho, due to Clinton vs Trump in 2016, majority of people felt Clinton had this in the bag. A whole new ballgame now. Look at the primaries.....record turnouts in a few states. Everyone will be voting for the 2020 general.

pac213up · 03-11-2020, 11:55 AM

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So you want him to help the party, after they openly f*ck him over.. for not being "with the party"?

This is where politics come into play. He would get something in return..what....you many never find out.

Soxfanguy · 03-11-2020, 11:56 AM

MARCH 17
CONTEST BIDEN SANDERS MARGIN
Florida 66.7% 31.6% +35.1
Illinois 54.8 43.4 +11.4
Ohio 54.1 44.1 +10.0
Arizona 55 42.9 +12.1

jcardstore · 03-11-2020, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Imho, due to Clinton vs Trump in 2016, majority of people felt Clinton had this in the bag. A whole new ballgame now. Look at the primaries.....record turnouts in a few states. Everyone will be voting for the 2020 general.

Definitely not

Soxfanguy · 03-11-2020, 11:57 AM

The only states he's leading Biden in the polls that are left is Wyoming, Oregon, and Rhode Island

discostu · 03-11-2020, 11:57 AM

Bernie will stay in, zero need to drop out at this time, especially with a debate this weekend. He'll keep his voice, but probably shift focus a bit.

Should something happen to Biden prior to the convention, Sanders would still have zero chance at the nod. He knows this.

TheHeel · 03-11-2020, 11:57 AM

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What does Sanders owe the Democrats?

Nothing but he doesn’t want Trump for another 4. That is all reason in the world. If he didn’t get behind Biden, he would be a hypocrite because Joe has similar but lighter ideas whereas Trump..is well...Trump.

pac213up · 03-11-2020, 11:58 AM

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Of course the turnout was significant compared to Obama. He's black. Seriously? Biden hasn't even gotten hit with the "Poor kids are just as bright as white kids" yet.

Biden does not have to get Obama turnout...that would be a blowout. Biden has to shrink the gap. Biden does better than Clinton with that voting block...that is all I am saying. How much better will matter.

View Poll Results: Who wins these elections? (you can pick multiple)
Donald Trump	44	53.66%
Joe Biden	38	46.34%
Trump Wins Florida	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Florida	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Georgia	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Georgia	12	14.63%
Trump Wins Ohio	43	52.44%
Biden Wins Ohio	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Pennsylvania	27	32.93%
Biden Wins Pennsylvania	34	41.46%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 82. You may not vote on this poll

03-11-2020, 11:48 AM	#5383
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders will deliver a “campaign update” at 1 p.m. from Burlington, his home town. The address will be carried live on his YouTube channel: https://live.berniesanders.com/. Is he dropping out? __________________ ok

03-11-2020, 11:52 AM	#5391
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	It basically looks over for Sanders https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...n-and-sanders/ __________________ ok

03-11-2020, 11:56 AM	#5395
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	MARCH 17 CONTEST BIDEN SANDERS MARGIN Florida 66.7% 31.6% +35.1 Illinois 54.8 43.4 +11.4 Ohio 54.1 44.1 +10.0 Arizona 55 42.9 +12.1 __________________ ok

03-11-2020, 11:57 AM	#5397
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	The only states he's leading Biden in the polls that are left is Wyoming, Oregon, and Rhode Island __________________ ok

03-11-2020, 11:57 AM	#5398
discostu Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 7,990	Bernie will stay in, zero need to drop out at this time, especially with a debate this weekend. He'll keep his voice, but probably shift focus a bit. Should something happen to Biden prior to the convention, Sanders would still have zero chance at the nod. He knows this. __________________ Every day I start to ooze.