2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

If you agree with this statement, we shouldn't be locking down the economy.



I don't think it should be binary. I think we should look for ways to reduce the spread of the disease while coexisting with the climate.

I do agree with that statement and I do not think widespread lockdowns are the answer.

Again, I am not the A-Team here. I'm just a schmuck taking guesses. But I think targeted, temporary lockdowns, combined with focused protection of vulnerable populations and widespread, mandated common sense precautionary measures such as masks would be a good way to go.

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[free2131]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Death is guaranteed. Recession is optional.

TRUMP 2020.

Originally Posted by Astros19

This could be applied to so many parts of our country's history.

We froze and starved and beat England...with help from France and Spain that we wouldn't have won without.

Could you imagine asking people now to endure what our parents and grandparents did during WW2? They can't even wear a mask for an hour in public.

Also, this just dropped. Love ERB.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by rman112

So what happens when the people that are deemed smart are wrong? What happens when their own biases get in the way?



Blame Trump?

Yes. Where does the buck stop?

Someone is responsible for making decisions. Whoever deemed the incompetent people to be the smart ones is to blame.

If nobody had a better answer, so be it. We did the best we could. But if we chose the wrong path when a better path was put forth, then the buck stops at the White House.

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[rman112]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Biden can't help himself. LOL.

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/statu...37224638197761

Lmaoooo

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Yes. Where does the buck stop?

Someone is responsible for making decisions. Whoever deemed the incompetent people to be the smart ones is to blame.

If nobody had a better answer, so be it. We did the best we could. But if we chose the wrong path when a better path was put forth, then the buck stops at the White House.

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But that makes no sense. By your logic, Trump is not the smart one. Right? So let the experts do what they do. And if they're wrong, it's Trump's fault? Makes no sense.

Which path was this?

And like Chapmans has mentioned, look at the cases skyrocketing.. pretty much everywhere, mandates or no.

[JustRachel]

Imagine if, back in March, Trump got on TV and said the following:

Look, folks, we have a big problem. We may be looking at a horrible disease coming here and killing a lot of Americans. Now, I'm a president, not a doctor. This isn't my area of expertise. So, here is my plan....

I am going to scour the earth for the best, smartest mfers alive. I'm going to throw a ton of money at them. I'm going to put them in a room and keep them there until they explore all of our options and figure out what the best course of action is to protect our nation, both in terms of health and the economy. And if I have to, I'm going to kick some asses to make that happen.

Then, we are going to deal with this as they say. All of us. And just as before, if I have to, I will kick some asses to make it happen.

Those smart mfers from all over the globe are going to meet in a room every couple of days to reevaluate. And we will continually evaluate if we have the smartest mfers in there. And yes, again I will kick some asses to make it happen.

This might suck. We may have to tighten our belts. It may get ugly. But I promise you, as your president, we will not waiver from the strategies put forth by the smartest mfers in the world, and we will get through this together.

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[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Imagine if, back in March, Trump got on TV and said the following:

Look, folks, we have a big problem. We may be looking at a horrible disease coming here and killing a lot of Americans. Now, I'm a president, not a doctor. This isn't my area of expertise. So, here is my plan....

I am going to scour the earth for the best, smartest mfers alive. I'm going to throw a ton of money at them. I'm going to put them in a room and keep them there until they explore all of our options and figure out what the best course of action is to protect our nation, both in terms of health and the economy. And if I have to, I'm going to kick some asses to make that happen.

Then, we are going to deal with this as they say. All of us. And just as before, if I have to, I will kick some asses to make it happen.

Those smart mfers from all over the globe are going to meet in a room every couple of days to reevaluate. And we will continually evaluate if we have the smartest mfers in there. And yes, again I will kick some asses to make it happen.

This might suck. We may have to tighten our belts. It may get ugly. But I promise you, as your president, we will not waiver from the strategies put forth by the smartest mfers in the world, and we will get through this together.

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Basically what I've been saying he should have done from the start when people ask what should he have done. Maybe just be honest with us?

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I do agree with that statement and I do not think widespread lockdowns are the answer.

Again, I am not the A-Team here. I'm just a schmuck taking guesses. But I think targeted, temporary lockdowns, combined with focused protection of vulnerable populations and widespread, mandated common sense precautionary measures such as masks would be a good way to go.

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We've tried temporary lockdowns and I'm not convinced it really had any real impact. Even if it had a small one, the only way to sustain it is to sustain the lockdown.

That being said, I think there can be some concessions that I would be okay if the government mandated. I don't mind limiting gatherings to a REASONABLE number, I don't mind masks, I don't mind any ideas that aren't too restricting but provide some merit.

I live in a conservative household and both my parents and I actually feel Murphy (NJ's Democratic Governor) has handled this fairly.

The one thing that's pissed me off was when Deblasio and Murphy were allowing the BLM rallies when we are supposed to be social distancing. My view is we either enforce protocols or we don't. When the government picks winners and losers, more issues arise than solutions. While racism is a problem in our society, they are causing even more unrest with spreading the virus and they tend to be more at risk to COVID as well.

[salthill]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Let us all hope we don't have to spend another 50 million on another hoax.

When you tell me who he owes over $400m to, I’ll tell you whether it’s a hoax.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Imagine if, back in March, Trump got on TV and said the following:

Look, folks, we have a big problem. We may be looking at a horrible disease coming here and killing a lot of Americans. Now, I'm a president, not a doctor. This isn't my area of expertise. So, here is my plan....

I am going to scour the earth for the best, smartest mfers alive. I'm going to throw a ton of money at them. I'm going to put them in a room and keep them there until they explore all of our options and figure out what the best course of action is to protect our nation, both in terms of health and the economy. And if I have to, I'm going to kick some asses to make that happen.

Then, we are going to deal with this as they say. All of us. And just as before, if I have to, I will kick some asses to make it happen.

Those smart mfers from all over the globe are going to meet in a room every couple of days to reevaluate. And we will continually evaluate if we have the smartest mfers in there. And yes, again I will kick some asses to make it happen.

This might suck. We may have to tighten our belts. It may get ugly. But I promise you, as your president, we will not waiver from the strategies put forth by the smartest mfers in the world, and we will get through this together.

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So it's more about talk than anything? Not that a large group of 'smart mfers' that were experts on a new virus ever existed?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Imagine if, back in March, Trump got on TV and said the following:

Look, folks, we have a big problem. We may be looking at a horrible disease coming here and killing a lot of Americans. Now, I'm a president, not a doctor. This isn't my area of expertise. So, here is my plan....

I am going to scour the earth for the best, smartest mfers alive. I'm going to throw a ton of money at them. I'm going to put them in a room and keep them there until they explore all of our options and figure out what the best course of action is to protect our nation, both in terms of health and the economy. And if I have to, I'm going to kick some asses to make that happen.

Then, we are going to deal with this as they say. All of us. And just as before, if I have to, I will kick some asses to make it happen.

Those smart mfers from all over the globe are going to meet in a room every couple of days to reevaluate. And we will continually evaluate if we have the smartest mfers in there. And yes, again I will kick some asses to make it happen.

This might suck. We may have to tighten our belts. It may get ugly. But I promise you, as your president, we will not waiver from the strategies put forth by the smartest mfers in the world, and we will get through this together.

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Well, if I had to imagine I believe finding toilet paper would have been the least of our concerns.
No need to poop if there's nothing left on the shelves to eat.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by rman112

So it's more about talk than anything? Not that a large group of 'smart mfers' that were experts on a new virus ever existed?

It's about being open and honest with our country. It's about finding the smartest people available and then listening. It's about making sure we all are on board with that plan. And then it's about kicking asses to make it happen.

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[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Well, if I had to imagine I believe finding toilet paper would have been the least of our concerns.
No need to poop if there's nothing left on the shelves to eat.

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Took the man months just to start wearing masks in public. He still mocks people who wear them to this day. Why do people think there isn't anything Trump could have done to help curb this a bit more?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by salthill

When you tell me who he owes over $400m to, I’ll tell you whether it’s a hoax.

You don't have to tell me. We already know it was a hoax.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

We've tried temporary lockdowns and I'm not convinced it really had any real impact. Even if it had a small one, the only way to sustain it is to sustain the lockdown.

That being said, I think there can be some concessions that I would be okay if the government mandated. I don't mind limiting gatherings to a REASONABLE number, I don't mind masks, I don't mind any ideas that aren't too restricting but provide some merit.

I live in a conservative household and both my parents and I actually feel Murphy (NJ's Democratic Governor) has handled this fairly.

The one thing that's pissed me off was when Deblasio and Murphy were allowing the BLM rallies when we are supposed to be social distancing. My view is we either enforce protocols or we don't. When the government picks winners and losers, more issues arise than solutions. While racism is a problem in our society, they are causing even more unrest with spreading the virus and they tend to be more at risk to COVID as well.

I don't disagree with you, generally speaking. I think we are pretty close in our views, moreso than most here.

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[Astros19]

Shut it all down, save some lives.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...ession/279961/

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[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

It's about being open and honest with our country. It's about finding the smartest people available and then listening. It's about making sure we all are on board with that plan. And then it's about kicking asses to make it happen.

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Like I said.. is that not what the IHME (and I believe there was another model..) was about?

[Astros19]

By the way, making sure I take care of my family does not equate to saying "screw everyone else", contrary to popular opinion.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Well, if I had to imagine I believe finding toilet paper would have been the least of our concerns.
No need to poop if there's nothing left on the shelves to eat.

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Here's the thing: I don't know what that group of smart mfers would've said. Maybe they would've said containment is impossible, so let's focus on the economy. Maybe they would've said containment is possible with a bit of ecenomic restrictions. I just don't know.

What I do know is that if it was a nonpartisan group of the smartest people we could dredge up, continually reevaluating as we go, and we were implementing their plan relentlessly, I would be on board with whatever plan they came up with.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by rman112

Like I said.. is that not what the IHME (and I believe there was another model..) was about?

Did we do that? Were they the best? Did we listen? Did we enforce? Did we reevaluate?

Or, did we only do part of that?

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by free2131

TRUMP 2020.



We froze and starved and beat England...with help from France and Spain that we wouldn't have won without.

Could you imagine asking people now to endure what our parents and grandparents did during WW2? They can't even wear a mask for an hour in public.

Also, this just dropped. Love ERB.

Yes, I forgot people think Biden is God. Somehow he will stop COVID, hurricanes, wildfires, and more!

[Astros19]

Interesting, I was wondering where Biden came up with the term dark winter.


https://youtu.be/Fgvo-9pJ1EU

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[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Did we do that? Were they the best? Did we listen? Did we enforce? Did we reevaluate?

Or, did we only do part of that?

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Our response was largely based around the models.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Here's the thing: I don't know what that group of smart mfers would've said. Maybe they would've said containment is impossible, so let's focus on the economy. Maybe they would've said containment is possible with a bit of ecenomic restrictions. I just don't know.

What I do know is that if it was a nonpartisan group of the smartest people we could dredge up, continually reevaluating as we go, and we were implementing their plan relentlessly, I would be on board with whatever plan they came up with.

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That would have never happened though, even medicine is partisan.

[mike1498]

One thing I want to point out is that while on the outside lockdowns looked to have only caused failure, I think there are a few positives that have come out of them.

One really big one is that a lot of places have learned to adapt to this lifestyle and have found ways where employees can now work from home (or more than they use to).

What I find beautiful is that we have taken a problem and have found alternatives. Now with so many companies trying to integrate things like Zoom for even after the pandemic will increase workers productivity and happiness (able to work from home).

It's easy to look at this from the outside and say that businesses are suffering, because they are. But we have transformed so much since January to now. As someone who worked over the summer at Target, we were constantly opening up new jobs for order pick up because there was a problem that didn't exist before January. I expect people even after the pandemic to use order pickup. Small businesses are starting to work with Uber Eats so they can still sell while following protocols.

We just need to understand this is a short term shock but their will be a lot of benefits from this in our future.