All-Star rosters unveiled. All complaints here!

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by jraarmy

Defense is part of the game but take his defensive war out of the equation Julio’s offensive war is 2.4 according to fangraphs. What AL outfielders have more? Who should have made it instead of him? Judge buxton Greene already in there. Just curious highly doubt is the worst selection ever

Julio has a 2.3 fWAR total and a 101 wRC+, I think you're not looking at something correctly.

And defense is apart of the game, as I said, for an All-Star game, I don't really think guys who are league average should be sent there just because of defensive metrics (and again, if you're doing that he still shouldn't be on the team, it should be Rafaela, a better defender with a league average bat)

[Hollywood42]

Joe Ryan and Jhoan Duran have performed at All-Star levels this year, but there just aren't many slots available for pitchers, especially with the 1 rep per team requirement, and they are in the same ballpark as a chunk of players on the back end of the AS rosters or just missed, so not worked up about that. Fingers crossed one or both gets added to the team as replacements

Buxton should be starting, but we all know that

Really no major complaints other than that this year. Could nitpick a few more things but won't

Very fun to see (respectfully) this year's randos like O'Hearn, Aranda, Randy Rodriguez, get enough attention to make the team

[jraarmy]

Originally Posted by kipgen

No Soto is brutal

Very surprised Soto didn’t make it

[jraarmy]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Julio has a 2.3 fWAR total and a 101 wRC+, I think you're not looking at something correctly.

And defense is apart of the game, as I said, for an All-Star game, I don't really think guys who are league average should be sent there just because of defensive metrics (and again, if you're doing that he still shouldn't be on the team, it should be Rafaela, a better defender with a league average bat)

So who should have made it? You’re saying Rafaela? Don’t really care just curious. I’m already happy Julio’s getting his 3rd All Star nod regardless of what either you or I think

[BOOMER7]

Originally Posted by Jed Clampett

MLB RBI king Seiya Suzuki
Absolutely deserved this year



Suzuki is on pace for over 50 home runs and 150 RBIs.

agree worse snub on the list.

[Big35Hurt]

Didn't look at all the players on the NL roster. Did surefire 1st ballet HOFer Schwarber make it?

[slogue2]

I hope Seiya gets added as a replacement. As others have stated, he has been fantastic thus far.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by jraarmy

So who should have made it? You’re saying Rafaela?

Arozarena or Bellinger would both be far better options to me. I'm someone who doesn't think the All-Star game should be 'who had the best 3 months of the season' kind of guy, so that eliminates Rafaela, or someone like McKinstry. I think it's closer to the stars of the game who are playing well, or up and coming guys you think are the future (so not an outfielder but Caminero would be a great option).

The thing about Julio is he's a very good player, who is getting worse every year and living off his rookie season, so when you're league average with the bat, getting in for defense only, doesn't work for me.

What's interesting is you made the comment about his offense which was incorrect than completely ignored it moving forward. If you want to make the argument he should be an All-Star because of his defense, then you have to explain why he'd be better than Rafaela, which I am here to listen to!

[jraarmy]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Arozarena or Bellinger would both be far better options to me. I'm someone who doesn't think the All-Star game should be 'who had the best 3 months of the season' kind of guy, so that eliminates Rafaela, or someone like McKinstry. I think it's closer to the stars of the game who are playing well, or up and coming guys you think are the future (so not an outfielder but Caminero would be a great option).

The thing about Julio is he's a very good player, who is getting worse every year and living off his rookie season, so when you're league average with the bat, getting in for defense only, doesn't work for me.

What's interesting is you made the comment about his offense which was incorrect than completely ignored it moving forward. If you want to make the argument he should be an All-Star because of his defense, then you have to explain why he'd be better than Rafaela, which I am here to listen to!

I didn’t move on. Look I typed into google what Julio’s 2025 offensive war numbers were and it said according to fangraphs it’s 2.4. I didn’t just make a number up. My whole argument offense defense whatever is who should have made it instead. Obviously I think he should have made it cause I don’t see a clear cut better choice. I’m sure it was close but between the players who vote and commissioners office they chose Julio not me. I would’ve been fine if he didn’t make it. It’s been tought to watch his at bats at times during the year but could say the same about Randy. Up until a week ago Randy was having a worse season. He’s hit 6 bombs in the last six days to bring his total to 14. Cody i can’t speak on don’t watch the Yankees

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by jraarmy

I didn’t move on. Look I typed into google what Julio’s 2025 offensive war numbers were and it said according to fangraphs it’s 2.4. I didn’t just make a number up. My whole argument offense defense whatever is who should have made it instead. Obviously I think he should have made it cause I don’t see a clear cut better choice. I’m sure it was close but between the players who vote and commissioners office they chose Julio not me. I would’ve been fine if he didn’t make it. It’s been tought to watch his at bats at times during the year but could say the same about Randy. Up until a week ago Randy was having a worse season. He’s hit 6 bombs in the last six days to bring his total to 14. Cody i can’t speak on don’t watch the Yankees

Why do you think Julio should be in over Rafaela? (other than because you're a Mariners fan and not a Red Sox fan of course)

[jraarmy]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Why do you think Julio should be in over Rafaela? (other than because you're a Mariners fan and not a Red Sox fan of course)

Using baseball reference here

Because Julio has more runs scored more hits more homeruns more rbi more SB better obp

Rafaela has him in avg slug and ops

Their tied in ops + essentially tied in wrc + I’m seeing Julio at 102 Rafaela at 101

And for war Julio at 3.4 and Rafaela at 3.2

[mrmojorisin71]

Bryan Abreu is the best setup man in baseball.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Andrew Abbott was absolutely robbed.

[Bars and Bar]

Framber Valdez should be there

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Andrew Abbott was absolutely robbed.

But who are you taking him over? Name names.

He's got only 83.2 IP. His peripherals also don't match his level of run prevention, either.

Freddy Peralta and Robbie Ray are both possibilities, but they've pitched substantially more innings than Abbott.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by kipgen

No Soto is brutal

He's gotten hot of late, but was kind of mid for the first couple of months. He'll be a good substitution candidate.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Not fair that an Oakland Athletic is starting over A man named Bobby.

Waaaaaaahhhhhhhh.

It's actually really stupid. I mean, next level stupid. Bobby Witt Jr is a top-5 position player in the game.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by slogue2

I hope Seiya gets added as a replacement. As others have stated, he has been fantastic thus far.

Seiya is killing it and Cubbies do nothing but win. Unfortunate.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Jed Clampett

MLB RBI king Seiya Suzuki
Absolutely deserved this year



Suzuki is on pace for over 50 home runs and 150 RBIs.

He's a primary DH, though. He's not better than Kyle Schwarber. He's not more valuable than the position player reserves.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by jraarmy

Using baseball reference here

Because Julio has more runs scored more hits more homeruns more rbi more SB better obp

Rafaela has him in avg slug and ops

Their tied in ops + essentially tied in wrc + I’m seeing Julio at 102 Rafaela at 101

And for war Julio at 3.4 and Rafaela at 3.2

Play same positions, total offensive contribution (wRC+ or OPS+) is the same (I couldn't care less that Julio Rodriguez's teammates drive him in more often and he gets more opportunity to drive them in, they both stink at getting on base and both are mediocre bats)

So is your argument that Baseball reference likes him more than fangraphs? Or?

Because I've yet to see the defense that he's a better defensive player.....(given they have the same offensive numbers). I just always use fangraphs personally for the record because it's a less biased version.

[jraarmy]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Play same positions, total offensive contribution (wRC+ or OPS+) is the same (I couldn't care less that Julio Rodriguez's teammates drive him in more often and he gets more opportunity to drive them in, they both stink at getting on base and both are mediocre bats)

So is your argument that Baseball reference likes him more than fangraphs? Or?

Because I've yet to see the defense that he's a better defensive player.....(given they have the same offensive numbers). I just always use fangraphs personally for the record because it's a less biased version.

Lol what. You asked me why I would pick Julio over rafaela I gave you the stats and my reason. Has nothing to do with r over FG. Glad you don’t care about runs or RBI’s but clearly either the players that voted for Julio or MLB did. Bottom line Julio’s an all star Rafaela is currently not. Speaking of defensive how many DRS to the two players have?

[fabiani12333]

Bobby Witt Jr finished second in the MVP voting last season. He's worthy of being on the cover of Topps products, or on the cover of MLB: The Show, but is a reserve for the All Star game. He's currently the best all-around shortstop in the game, with the highest fWAR among shortstops and the fourth highest overall in the game. A rookie, who is having a good-but-not-great season, is starting instead.

Make it make sense.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

But who are you taking him over? Name names.



He's got only 83.2 IP. His peripherals also don't match his level of run prevention, either.



Freddy Peralta and Robbie Ray are both possibilities, but they've pitched substantially more innings than Abbott.

I mean, in spite of "substantially more innings," Abbott has more WAR than both of them to go with his better ERA.

Not saying they aren't deserving, but a guy who is 7-1 with a 2.25 ERA should be in the game. Even if it means a reliever gets left off the roster.

[fabiani12333]

If I were starting a franchise from scratch, the first position player I would take is Bobby Witt Jr. But he is not starting the All Star game, even though he is objectively deserving.

Make. It. Make. Sense.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by jraarmy

Lol what. You asked me why I would pick Julio over rafaela I gave you the stats and my reason. Has nothing to do with r over FG. Glad you don’t care about runs or RBI’s but clearly either the players that voted for Julio or MLB did. Bottom line Julio’s an all star Rafaela is currently not

You would pick Julio because he gets more opportunities to drive in runners and because his teammates are better hitters? That's certainly your choice...

We'll agree to disagree because it appears your reasoning is closer to "I'm a Mariners fan", because you haven't given a legitimate stat based reason that a sub .700 OPS hitter should be an All-Star (again, I don't think either should, and have given better options. It's simply that Rafaela is a better version of Julio 2025)

Also for the record, Julio wRISP: .209/.293/.337 (82 wRC+!!!) Rafaela 266/.330/.392 (a league average 99 wRC+) RBI is an opportunity stat, because he's stunk in spots to drive in runners. Again, judge Baseball however you'd like, but it's 2025, not 2004.