Fanatics > All Other TPG? - Page 2

Collinsfanatic · 09-30-2021, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bradley9999

I'd personally buy a GMA graded Fanatics card before I'd buy a Fanatics graded Fanatics card. If there is no separation of production and grading how are you supposed to trust the process. At the same time, I doubt I'd ever use fanatics selling platform either. They want to sell the card, grade the card, help you sell the card, help the buyer store the card, and help them sell the card later on....taking a peice of the transaction each and every step of the way. I don't think most collectors will go for it. At least I hope they don't.

Sounds like Fanatics is going the route of PWCC to me.

mc1 · 09-30-2021, 11:50 AM

Fanatics will buy one of the current grading companies and just change the name.

Handsome Wes · 09-30-2021, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Why would I trust a grading company that will be selling its own graded cards for profit?

Too much room for corruption. And yes it was very corrupt.

Someone posted a Youtube video link about Graded Nintendo Games and it was.... shocking. The video itself was about an hour long, but you can get the gist after ten or so minutes.

It's one of those things that you watch and say "I'm sure this *isn't* illegal, but it probably should be."

JWBlue · 09-30-2021, 12:05 PM

Fanatics grading their own cards will never come to fruition.

seanbros55 · 09-30-2021, 12:39 PM

Can you imagine this board when the first Fanatics card graded a 10 by Fanatics that has a white corner? Oh hell no. Get the popcorn ready!!!

COEFOR · 09-30-2021, 12:40 PM

When Blackstone acquired a majority stake in CCG (parent company of CSG) a few months ago one of the key investors was Michael Rubin of Fanatics. Probably done around the same time they were trying to acquire the sports licenses for cards.

JRX · 09-30-2021, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by seanbros55

Can you imagine this board when the first Fanatics card graded a 10 by Fanatics that has a white corner? Oh hell no. Get the popcorn ready!!!

They'll replace this board with a fanatics board and will block any post critical of fanatics.

Bowman1951 · 09-30-2021, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by COEFOR

When Blackstone acquired a majority stake in CCG (parent company of CSG) a few months ago one of the key investors was Michael Rubin of Fanatics. Probably done around the same time they were trying to acquire the sports licenses for cards.

Kobe101 · 09-30-2021, 01:42 PM

Fanatics being able to grade their own cards is an awful idea. I heard Luber mention something like that in a chat with Jeremy Lee so I wouldn't be surprised if they did that.

If they are going to do that they may as well just send the end users a kit with slabs and slips to print and grade our own cards.

Kobe101 · 09-30-2021, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

They'll replace this board with a fanatics board and will block any post critical of fanatics.

lol you will only be able to discuss the hobby on the Fanatics board.

The way the world is going it wouldn't be shocking.

I am sure they will have great fact checkers too!

Neal · 09-30-2021, 03:49 PM

Worthless? Was that a really an option? And who in their right mind voted YES? We are a few years away from FANATICS. I really haven't paid any attention to the news story but am bombarded by "collector" buddies with podcasts, theories, ramblings, etc.

Don't worry. Be Happy.

MoreToppsPlease · 09-30-2021, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

People will pay for their slabs no matter how accurate they are as long as they can make money off it - corruption throughout the hobby is well known.

Why make it any easier for any entity?

Agreed - it’s just that Fanatics’ slabs truly will be accurate, that’s what most (supposed) slab lovers, er, flippers…are scared of.

Slabbing at the manufacturing plant reduces opportunity of card damage because all third parties that could damage the card are cut out of the picture.

As far as authentication and identifying alterations, nobody will know their cards better than their manufacturer.

JRX · 09-30-2021, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Agreed - it’s just that Fanatics’ slabs truly will be accurate, that’s what most (supposed) slab lovers, er, flippers…are scared of.

Slabbing at the manufacturing plant reduces opportunity of card damage because all third parties that could damage the card are cut out of the picture.

As far as authentication and identifying alterations, nobody will know their cards better than their manufacturer.

To that point, what prevents fanatics from trimming their own cards? Topps et al don't care about grades, but if one company makes, grades, and runs its own marketplace they can and most likely will do whatever they want.

JRX · 09-30-2021, 04:05 PM

If you really want to go crazy, say there's a hot card, nothing is stopping them from printing more / trimming them / grading them a 10 and selling them through their marketplace. There are countless reasons why you don't want every aspect of the hobby centralized.

rwperu34 · 09-30-2021, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

For what it's worth, I'm not interested in buying Fanatics cards that they grade themselves. I don't think I'd be alone here.

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Why would I trust a grading company that will be selling its own graded cards for profit?

You ever wonder why Beckett auctions never took off?

Too much room for corruption. And yes it was very corrupt.

Only read these two posts and they are spot on. A card manufacturer is missing the third party portion of TPG.

fabiani12333 · 10-01-2021, 01:14 AM

I'd want a Fanatics card authenticated and slabbed by Fanatics themselves. If they grade it, I'd want sub grades and a half decimal point system similar to BGS. I'd want the grading system to be scientific and verifiable -- perhaps automated using software.

Yes, Fanatics has a conflict of interest if they grade their own cards. But so do TPG's. Corruption is everywhere money is to be made. Fanatics would at least be better positioned to catch alterations or counterfeits of their own cards. Any Fanatics card graded by a TPG would automatically arouse suspicion of trimming or counterfeiting.

BaseballKing · 10-01-2021, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cardsin47

Why would we want a fanatics card graded by fanatics? The entire point of TPG is the TP part - “third party”

This.

BaseballKing · 10-01-2021, 02:01 AM

I have an uneasy feeling about Fanatics.

Monopolies are generally bad for the consumer.

Giroux · 10-01-2021, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballKing

I have an uneasy feeling about Fanatics.

Monopolies are generally bad for the consumer.

Definitely have that feeling too. Hopeful everything works itself out. Fanatics has big plans but we'll see what they can actually pull off.

Brewersfan74 · 10-01-2021, 09:46 AM

I personally welcome our new hobby overlords.

MoreToppsPlease · 10-01-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

If you really want to go crazy, say there's a hot card, nothing is stopping them from printing more / trimming them / grading them a 10 and selling them through their marketplace. There are countless reasons why you don't want every aspect of the hobby centralized.

Then nobody will buy them.

But that’s not gonna happen.

Besides, flippers definitely aren’t big into accuracy. Flippers will flip whatever they can. And if Fanatics slabs dominate the marketplace, Fanatics slabs are what they’ll flip.

The_Reverend · 10-01-2021, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Akphillips86

I’m not touching anything Fanatics. The more I learn, the more I hate their vision.

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Actually weening myself off wax. By the time Fanatics takes over I will be pre-fanatic singles only.

JeremyNick · 10-01-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rwperu34

Only read these two posts and they are spot on. A card manufacturer is missing the third party portion of TPG.

Which current “TPG” can be considered an independent third party?

All have $kin in the game.

thenightman · 10-01-2021, 01:21 PM

I don't want centralization of the card market as it will only invite corruption. I want decentralization, as it encourages competition, which encourages low prices and excellent service. So this entire thing Fanatics has planned is a big no from me. Not only will it wind up being corrupted, prices will be high and service will be terrible.

hermanotarjeta · 10-01-2021, 01:25 PM

Wonder where they are going to find graders from? Are they going to poach the other companies and pay more money?

I wonder what the qualifications are for their graders? Any certification or ethics training?

It takes a long time to build a good reputation and a second to kill it.

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09-30-2021, 11:50 AM	#27
mc1 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 11,208	Fanatics will buy one of the current grading companies and just change the name. __________________ B.I.D.

09-30-2021, 12:40 PM	#31
COEFOR Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,960 countofparis countofparis	When Blackstone acquired a majority stake in CCG (parent company of CSG) a few months ago one of the key investors was Michael Rubin of Fanatics. Probably done around the same time they were trying to acquire the sports licenses for cards. __________________ IG: coefor_collection Blood Upon the Risers...

09-30-2021, 03:49 PM	#36
Neal Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,831 1420sports	Worthless? Was that a really an option? And who in their right mind voted YES? We are a few years away from FANATICS. I really haven't paid any attention to the news story but am bombarded by "collector" buddies with podcasts, theories, ramblings, etc. Don't worry. Be Happy. __________________ collecting vintage sports cards and Star Wars .... with a touch of modern and ultra modern

10-01-2021, 02:01 AM	#43
BaseballKing Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: I got banned from BO/God bless you all Posts: 1,941	I have an uneasy feeling about Fanatics. Monopolies are generally bad for the consumer. Last edited by BaseballKing; 10-01-2021 at 02:49 AM.

09-30-2021, 12:05 PM	#29
JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 9,520	Fanatics grading their own cards will never come to fruition.

09-30-2021, 12:39 PM	#30
seanbros55 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: From the 508 to the 707 Posts: 5,376	Can you imagine this board when the first Fanatics card graded a 10 by Fanatics that has a white corner? Oh hell no. Get the popcorn ready!!!

09-30-2021, 01:42 PM	#34
Kobe101 Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410	Fanatics being able to grade their own cards is an awful idea. I heard Luber mention something like that in a chat with Jeremy Lee so I wouldn't be surprised if they did that. If they are going to do that they may as well just send the end users a kit with slabs and slips to print and grade our own cards.

09-30-2021, 04:05 PM	#39
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,666	If you really want to go crazy, say there's a hot card, nothing is stopping them from printing more / trimming them / grading them a 10 and selling them through their marketplace. There are countless reasons why you don't want every aspect of the hobby centralized.

10-01-2021, 01:14 AM	#41
fabiani12333 Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 11,614	I'd want a Fanatics card authenticated and slabbed by Fanatics themselves. If they grade it, I'd want sub grades and a half decimal point system similar to BGS. I'd want the grading system to be scientific and verifiable -- perhaps automated using software. Yes, Fanatics has a conflict of interest if they grade their own cards. But so do TPG's. Corruption is everywhere money is to be made. Fanatics would at least be better positioned to catch alterations or counterfeits of their own cards. Any Fanatics card graded by a TPG would automatically arouse suspicion of trimming or counterfeiting.

10-01-2021, 09:46 AM	#45
Brewersfan74 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 26	I personally welcome our new hobby overlords.

10-01-2021, 01:21 PM	#49
thenightman Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 6,626	I don't want centralization of the card market as it will only invite corruption. I want decentralization, as it encourages competition, which encourages low prices and excellent service. So this entire thing Fanatics has planned is a big no from me. Not only will it wind up being corrupted, prices will be high and service will be terrible.

10-01-2021, 01:25 PM	#50
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 21,037	Wonder where they are going to find graders from? Are they going to poach the other companies and pay more money? I wonder what the qualifications are for their graders? Any certification or ethics training? It takes a long time to build a good reputation and a second to kill it.