Fanatics > All Other TPG?

[speedyjg13]

With Fanatics rumored to grade their own cards, will that make all other third party grading companies (BGS, PSA, etc) worthless?

Does BGS, PSA, etc stick to grading pre-Fanatics cards only?

[Biohazarddfl]

For what it's worth, I'm not interested in buying Fanatics cards that they grade themselves. I don't think I'd be alone here.

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[hermanotarjeta]

Why would I trust a grading company that will be selling its own graded cards for profit?

You ever wonder why Beckett auctions never took off?

Too much room for corruption. And yes it was very corrupt.

[cj828282]

The benefit of several grading companies is that we have a choice. Fanatics can do their thing but people will want what they want.

[ThoseBackPages]

thats a hard no

[BamBam20]

I must admit I am not much of a big grader but I have two legit (not sarcastic) questions about your questions.

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

With Fanatics rumored to grade their own cards, will that make all other third party grading companies (BGS, PSA, etc) worthless?

Why would a new entrant in the TPG space automatically make others worthless?

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Does BGS, PSA, etc stick to grading pre-Fanatics cards only?

Why would the other TPGs not grade Fanatics cards? I'm sure they will grade anything you pay them to grade. Ultimately it comes down to the secondary market and how much the buyers are willing to pay for a particular card in a particular slab.

[bradley9999]

I'd personally buy a GMA graded Fanatics card before I'd buy a Fanatics graded Fanatics card. If there is no separation of production and grading how are you supposed to trust the process. At the same time, I doubt I'd ever use fanatics selling platform either. They want to sell the card, grade the card, help you sell the card, help the buyer store the card, and help them sell the card later on....taking a peice of the transaction each and every step of the way. I don't think most collectors will go for it. At least I hope they don't.

[Biohazarddfl]

I guess the question we should ask is how much stock does the OP have.

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[JRX]

Is fanatics going to have pop reports or will they go the wata route? I wouldnt ever trust a manufacturer to also be the grader and also run the marketplace.

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[cardsin47]

Why would we want a fanatics card graded by fanatics? The entire point of TPG is the TP part - “third party”

[cj828282]

What if Topps did their own grading? I think many would find a COI with that.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Why would I trust a grading company that will be selling its own graded cards for profit?

You ever wonder why Beckett auctions never took off?

Too much room for corruption. And yes it was very corrupt.

This is exactly the same as manufacturers selling serial numbered cards for profit.

People have weird and distorted views on grading.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

This is exactly the same as manufacturers selling serial numbered cards for profit.

People have weird and distorted views on grading.

No, it’s far from the same.

If fanatics is creating an all graded product, and wants the srp to be higher or wants a higher number of high level hits, it will grade more of its card population as gem mints instead of mints.

If fanatics is selling cards for its customers, and gets a percentage of the sales for commission, the higher graded cards will sell for a higher price and thus more commission.

There is SO much room for corruption as these are just two examples.

[JRX]

Maybe fanatics will grade some players tougher so they can charge more for a psa 10 Wander Franco for example. There's so much room for corruption.

[Akphillips86]

I’m not touching anything Fanatics. The more I learn, the more I hate their vision.


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[Rooftop]

If it didn't Gem, it would seem like they produced an inferior product.

[notfast]

Fanatics grading will be below the HGA type graders.

[sickmantz]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Why would we want a fanatics card graded by fanatics? The entire point of TPG is the TP part - “third party”

Seconded.

That's the whole point of independent audits. Even with the best intentions, no one can police themselves 100%.

There's no way ANYONE should trust related-party opinions as much as a opinions from an independent third party.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

No, it’s far from the same.

If fanatics is creating an all graded product, and wants the srp to be higher or wants a higher number of high level hits, it will grade more of its card population as gem mints instead of mints.

If fanatics is selling cards for its customers, and gets a percentage of the sales for commission, the higher graded cards will sell for a higher price and thus more commission.

There is SO much room for corruption as these are just two examples.

Most of the hobby already is corrupt, especially grading.

Truth is that if the grade doesn’t match reality then people won’t pay for those slabs…right? Then it shouldn’t matter who grades cards.

Fanatics clearly has the ability to create, slab and distribute pristine cards…they could create as many as they want. People should take advantage of that…a never ending supply of pristine cards…if pristine cards are what they truly want.

The only way someone wouldn’t like Fanatics slabbing their own cards would be if that person doesn’t actually want pristine cards, works for another grading company, or believes he’ll loose money.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by notfast

Fanatics grading will be below the HGA type graders.

Let's wait to see their AI

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by sickmantz

Seconded.

That's the whole point of independent audits. Even with the best intentions, no one can police themselves 100%.

There's no way ANYONE should trust related-party grades as much as a grade from an independent third party.

Sounds like you wouldn’t buy Fanatics slabs even if they were 100% accurate, and had zero alterations or counterfeits then.

Seems you’d prefer PSA and their ~90% accuracy rate and their inability to catch alterations and fakes.

Sure, I see ‘principled’ here means supporting something contrary to what one’s purported to be interested in. As time goes on, this will change, if only because it will become to expensive and hypocritical to maintain the old way of doing things.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

I’m not touching anything Fanatics. The more I learn, the more I hate their vision.


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I’m just debating how soon I want to get out of the hobby

I’ll always collect autographs, but cards…? Idk

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Most of the hobby already is corrupt, especially grading.

Truth is that if the grade doesn’t match reality then people won’t pay for those slabs…right? Then it shouldn’t matter who grades cards.

Fanatics clearly has the ability to create, slab and distribute pristine cards…they could create as many as they want. People should take advantage of that…a never ending supply of pristine cards…if pristine cards are what they truly want.

The only way someone wouldn’t like Fanatics slabbing their own cards would be if that person doesn’t actually want pristine cards, works for another grading company, or believes he’ll loose money.

People will pay for their slabs no matter how accurate they are as long as they can make money off it - corruption throughout the hobby is well known.

Why make it any easier for any entity?

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Stech36

I’m just debating how soon I want to get out of the hobby

I’ll always collect autographs, but cards…? Idk

That’s fair. Rookie/2nd year auto cards, rare inserts, and rare RC parallels are pretty much all I buy. I don’t think I will ever stop dabbling in these, I just probably won’t move past the Topps era. I think this current crop of young talent is going to keep me plenty busy as well as my rekindled 90’s nostalgic kick.

I probably will start shifting to more holding and less buying in the next few years. I honestly think a lot of the pre-Fanatics stuff will get too pricey in the upcoming years for me to buy at the same level I currently am.


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[JRX]

For a lot of cards its usually very difficult to tell by the naked eye what makes something a 9 vs a 10 let alone if they go the comic grading route and have decimal points. They could easily manipulate the market and control how many grades they give out for hot players or hot cards. Since they control everything they could hold some back and then release them when players are on an upswing.